Where would we be if somebody else had been hired

Submitted by leftrare on

Purely a spec piece, be warned.

Caveats, biases and influences:

A. Brian and (until July) Tom Beaver were my sole sources of anything close to "inside" information from Schembechler hall.  I don't know anybody in the program, or anything about Michigan football other than what I've seen on the field, gotten here or used to get at GBW.

B. I believe Bill Martin is a ridiculously successful businessman who has built a fortune and a fabulous resume by being a shrewd, winning decision maker.

C. I believe Lloyd Carr, after his announcement to retire, had three pieces of advice for Martin:

  1. Talk to Ron English and Mike DeBord.
  2. Don't hire Les Miles because X, Y and Z (these being criteria we'll never know, other than maybe X=I, Y=loath, Z=him).
  3. Talk to Kirk Ferentz

So, what if somebody other than Rich Rodriguez had been hired in January, 2008.  (Doesn't seem that long ago, does it?)  But, first, I have to set the field:

To the Carr postulate #1 above, Martin says, "thanks, Lloyd, I'll think about it."
To #2 and #3, he says, "I'll take your word for it, but I'll talk to both of them, thanks again."

So, he basically blows off English and DeBord because he knows that, no disrespect to Lloyd, this program needs to go in a decisively new direction.

He talks (or meets, we don't know) with Miles and finds him unattractive, confirming one, two or all of Lloyd's X, Y or Z, and dismisses Miles' candidacy outright.  (The really loud story comes when somebody in the Michigan Man Grand Conspiracy Wing leaks misinformation to Desmond Howard and ESPN goes with "Les has been offered the job", when it's just not so.  Bill is sailing because he couldn't give a fuck what's going on at ESPN WRT Les Miles and Michigan, and Miles has to look like a fool in honestly denying a story that's false; he's never been offered the job.)

Having crossed Miles off the list, Martin goes to Ferentz, with the influential assistance of Mary Sue Coleman.  Ferentz says thanks but no thanks.  Then he shops Schiano; same result.  At this point we're all panicked because, uh, English or DeBord?  There are a few more names thrown around, and then, Pat White's thumb hurts.

So, here are the viable 2008 candidates -- offered or about to be offered -- at the point Rodriguez came into play:

English
DeBord
Ferentz
Schiano
Unknown, and worse than any of the above

How would they have done/will they do?  (Purely speculative numbers of wins; 2008/2009YTD/2009 remainder vs. RR = 3/3/*)

English (5/1/4=10).  Defense would have been better both years if, for no other reason, continuity.  Offense would have retained Debord/Mallett/Boren ("DeMoron" for short) and won a few more in 08 than RR.  Bare cupboard and ponderously slow recruits would put the future in peril.

DeBord.  (4/1/4=9).  English would have left him.  He'd be lost, as Martin knew; Mallett would break up DeMoron by transferring during or after the miserable 2008 season.  Death and doom.


Ferentz.  (6/2/4=12).  A good coach who would have taken the bare cupboard and made the best.  But, c'mon, it's a coach with no compelling reason for recruits to want to think about Michigan and the cupboard would still be bare.

Schiano.  (I don't know; better than 12, less than 14.)  I'll admit to running out of critical ammo here as I don't know anything about the guy other than he came up with ways to beat Rich occasionally.  I think he would have been a good hire and I believe he was Martin's first choice.

But, I'm pretty sure Rich was the best choice, by happenstance or not.  there's a huge difference between the man and his system.  Barwis.  Spread.  Appalachian Stubbornness, total insensitivity to bad PR. Bo would have loved him and I, FWIW, do too.

And, the whole reason I was compelled to write this was... what if Pat White hadn't hurt his thumb?


  * I say we win 6 more games this year for a regular season record of 9-3.






 

Comments

ATrain32

September 22nd, 2009 at 3:18 PM ^

Agreed on the D comment but I would extend also to the O line as well. The key point is lack of quality depth and the fact that some of the 'touted' Carr kids from '04-'05 recruiting classes weren't developing on the field to their ability level. I think Coach Carr is great, but M was thin in terms of talent development (read: depth) post '07. Hart, Henne, Manningham, Long et al masked this to some extent. Mitchell and co. did not mature to the level of previous M generations of hog mollies. If you consider the number of seniors playing significant roles last year, RR was dealt a pretty weak hand especially in terms of numbers. Contrast OSU's senior class last year vs. ours. Also, note how OSU just reloaded after losing quite a number of players. It's a pretty shocking difference.

raleighwood

September 22nd, 2009 at 4:23 PM ^

First of all, the question is about who was on the team at the time that Carr left, the "cupboard" if you will, and pretty clearly Mallett was still on the team. Secondly, how do you know that Mallett was gone? Did you ask him? He already "suffered" through one Michigan winter. All he had to do was get through two more winters and hit a big payday in the NFL. What evidence can you provide that Mallett would not have stay if Les Miles were named the coach (a guy who just produced a QB that was the # 1 pick in the NFL draft)? This shit D that you're talking about currently starts three 5 Star players (Graham, Warren and Cissoko). Terrence Taylor and Will Johnson were also quality starters (near NFL caliber) that were left behind by Carr. I won't argue that the D isn't deep right now, but you can't deny that we're not far removed from NFL talent like Woodley, Harris, Woods, Burgess.....

victors2000

September 22nd, 2009 at 2:38 PM ^

was pretty tough to stomach, but as soon as Coach Rod was hired, I was committed to him. Of course you can't be sure of the future, but I felt that we would be in good hands. Now that the offense is starting to roll with the momentum of a freight train, I have to force myself at times from wringing my hands and smiling with glee when I think of the future.

OSUMC Wolverine

September 22nd, 2009 at 2:58 PM ^

I am excited about the near future including how this year could play out with some good fortune and continued improvement. I am even more excited to think what kind of a rabbit RR will pull out of his hat in a few years after the Big Ten has caught up to the spread option. There is certainly no reason to believe that one of the most innovative coaches in college football won't continue to do so. The next decade is going to be a blast. Go Blue!

j-turn14

September 25th, 2009 at 6:26 PM ^

Tedford would have been an excellent hire. He was my first thought after Carr's announcement. RR would have been my first choice, but, like everyone else, I thought he seemed to have a lifetime commitment to WVU. Last year would definitely have been better with Tedford because his offense wouldn't have been a big adjustment at all, Boren/Arrington probably would have stayed, and he wouldn't have hired Scott Shafer. However, I do think RR is the better coach for the future than Tedford. I don't think anyone would be complaining if Tedford had come, though. Cal is certainly happy no one has stolen him away. Personally, I think they are headed to the NC game this year.

MGoMadison

September 28th, 2009 at 12:34 PM ^

The only reasonable option on that list is Schiano. We would have had an offense that looked very similar to the old Schembechler offense in that case: I-formation, 2 split ends, and a power running game with pocket passers. The good: This is an NFL style offense, and we could have likely continued attracted NFL-style recruits, such as all our current NFL wideouts and O lineman. We would have had a good amount of success, especially against teams with inferior size and talent. And if the power running offense is going to survive anywhere in college football, it will be in the cold Big Ten. The bad: As noted in the "Demise of Tressel-ball" post, college offenses have undergone a revolution in the past 8-10 years, and the top offensive programs, like Florida and Oklahoma, run versions of the spread. To continue to treat the spread as a gimmick is to do so at your own peril, and likely swim against the tides of football history. So RR, IMO, was the best hire for this program. The spread is the way to go. Go Blue!