Denard Robinson's Play in the Spring Game

Submitted by Seth on

This thread used to be the "go easy on Denard" post. I'm taking it over because some of the responses and discussions were on a level far above that of the argumentative original post that started with "Give me a break," ended with "get a grip" and in between had a laughable amount of spelling and grammatical errors. Please continue sharing your thoughts, remaining respectful to those who may disagree with you.

OP's main points enhanced and summarized thusly:

  1. Getting a hand on Denard counts as a tackle in the Spring Game, but Big Ten linebackers get no points for touching The Great Denard with one hand, except points for touching pure awesome amirite?
  2. The accuracy was off but other than the one interception his reads were good.
  3. Denard's rushing stats will come down when he's no longer the feature back, but that's a good thing so long as his legs and arm are opening up the running back running game.
  4. In the Spring Game, you're supposed to see the defense look better than the offense (Ed-M: why?)

Discuss...

Ernis

April 17th, 2011 at 10:48 AM ^

As the poster stated, it's about fundamentals. Michigan has traditionally had solid teams with all the pieces in place. Maybe not the most gaudy or exceptional in some senses, but all-around solid. Michigan, traditionally, has not neglected important aspects of the game like defense and special teams to the point of utter hopelessness.

For the record, this thread is sad yet enlightening... A lot of people around here really don't have a clue, and/or need to get their hormones in check.

Steeveebr

April 17th, 2011 at 1:39 PM ^

People use some made up concept, "REAL Michigan Football" to cover a broad range of things they don't really understand how to articulate.  The bottom line is all about wins or losses.  I've seen some Bo and Lloyd teams with some horrible tackling fundamentals for instance, but in the end they won a lot more than they lost and it made them great coaches.

Kennyvr1

April 17th, 2011 at 2:31 PM ^

You people are so swayed by foolish media nonsense and phrases like Michigan Man. Open your eyes please. I love Bo but he never won a national title. If real M football is living in mediocrity then shame on Dave Brandon, shame on arrogant alumni, and fans who talk like this...

coastal blue

April 17th, 2011 at 4:57 PM ^

Of Michigan improving beyond Bo/Lloyd. 

As if its wrong to want your team to win multiple national championships or have a winning bowl record. 

Then again, you are the guy who excused the Appalachian State loss and said we lost to Oregon because we got our feelings hurt. So in reality I'm not surprised you'd be scared of taking chances. 

It's okay. I'll call up coach Hoke and tell him to hang around that 8-4 mark so you don't have to deal with the fact that someone might improve Michigan football beyond Bo. 

In reply to by coastal blue

Coach Kyle

April 17th, 2011 at 8:50 PM ^

Cgoldblu, I think RR is a genius. I was making a joke. I also think the Michigan-only mentality will kill us, but not in this case because Hoke has assembiled some brilliant offensive/defensive minds to lead us to victory. I'm betting on Hoke right now, but I would have been right there with RR if he wasn't canned.

 

M-Wolverine

April 17th, 2011 at 11:17 PM ^

And realize everyone is trying to win multiple national championships, and it rarely happens. It's not as easy as you whining "but I WANT it", especially when you're not willing to cheat. You show me a dynasty, I'll show you a corrupt program. But keep setting up strawmen, since those are the only arguments you can seem to win. I know it's tough when you have no idea what Michigan football is about. And it won't change for your 5 years of fandom. Sorry, you lost.

duffman is thr…

April 17th, 2011 at 9:52 AM ^

"Is he going to take us back to the "glory" days of Lloyd Carr (1-6 vs. Ohio State in his final 7 years) and Braylon Edwards (1-3 vs. Ohio State)?"

 

Way to cherrypick the "worse" second half of Lloyd's career and not the very successful period that includes a NC and beating OSU regularly. 

Ernis

April 17th, 2011 at 11:17 AM ^

Hoke may be in over his head. That remains to be seen.

RR definitely was, though. Not only was his PR god-awful, but he couldn't hold the team together in tough situations, and put out a product on the field that was vastly outmatched against the relevant competition.

TX2AA

April 17th, 2011 at 2:58 PM ^

"But he can only win in the Big East, not the Big Ten." I think people nagged on RR saying something similar to that. Looking at the CV's of the last two coaching hires, erasing the names, and tell me who you would of hired. I'm hoping Hoke will be a Mack Brown type of coach; more of an executive type and will surround himself with good coordinators.

MechEng97

April 17th, 2011 at 1:34 PM ^

That was exactly what i was thinking while at the game....if only we had 1/2 a D last year.

Offense looked rough and I"m worried we're not going to take advantage of this team's offensive skills.  I'm really getting tired of downgrading my expectations..

Ernis

April 17th, 2011 at 10:33 AM ^

No worries, fellas. DR's drives ended in two missed FG's, two punts, and a turnover on downs.

The offense hasn't changed, after all!

goblufucabuc

April 17th, 2011 at 1:11 PM ^

Dont Panic its not like we have 5 starters suspended for the first 5 games, and our head coach is found out by the whole world to be a lier, and were facing a NCAA scandle that could potenially not only change the face of the BIG TEN, but will be a landmark decision on how the NCAA deals with folk that cheat.......so all and all its a good spring for the Maize and Blue. The Def looked better now than they did in the Bowl game so they'll make tweaks and the OFF looked basic but potentially explosive, D. Rob still has to take his time and be patient, but hes still the most dangerous QB in the BTen.....READ D ROD!!!!! READ THE DEF

tkp37

April 17th, 2011 at 3:03 PM ^

Not so much worried about Denard, the kid proved he can play last year.  A little worried about offense in general, can't figure out if it was the oline or the improved defense. ( I know the oline didn't have all the starters)  I not even worried about the defense it looks as though Mattison has them playing good football.  I think the offense could sputter for a while this year, especially if they choose to line up in two tighend sets a lot.  Hopefully Borges proves me wrong!

BiSB

April 17th, 2011 at 3:27 PM ^

What the hell. Last year we had a defense that gave up 13,000 yards per game, a kicking game that couldn't... uh... kick, piss-poor special teams, no running backs that inspired ANY confidence. And after the spring game, people are worried about THIS GUY?

Jeebus.

Durham Blue

April 17th, 2011 at 3:55 PM ^

How many times was Denard in the open field last season and only a shoe string tackle away from six?  Those 1702 rushing yards could've easily been much higher.

Absolutely my favorite Michigan offensive play of all time -- Denard's 86-yard bolt to pay dirt against ND.

trussll12

April 17th, 2011 at 4:55 PM ^

Worried about what people like the 2008 head coach at St. Mary's High School (leading them to 5-5), who is on our staff, are going to do to this offense.  People complained to high heaven about "cronyism" with Rich Rod's staff -- can anyone tell me that the resumes (i.e., past success) of our offensive staff gives them reassurance?

Desmonlon Edwoodson

April 17th, 2011 at 4:14 PM ^

As a public evaluation method, the spring game doesn't offer much.  I'm sure the coaches were looking for certain things, but for us...You just cannot learn much about a qb like Denard or the defense he is facing when the QB is not "live".  Nor do I want to see Denard getting hit in April.  Hell, I dont like seeing it in October.

I kindof thought the spring game was meant as kind of a treat for the fans, where you can bring your kids to the big house to see their heroes without having to sacrifice the mortgage payment. Somehow you guys find a way to ruin everything though.  What could have happened for you all NOT to declare that the sky is falling?

M-Wolverine

April 17th, 2011 at 4:56 PM ^

You felt the need to hijack this thread because of lack of OP quality, but the "Football Predictions After Spring Game?" thread which was a minor OP abortion/meltdown gets to go to over 300 posts unedited? Methinks your bias is showing.... As for Ed-M: Why? There were a number of good explanations in the thread, but to basically add - 1. Offenses never reveal all of what they going to do to the public in a non-real game; defenses may not show a blitz or two, but there are a lot less surprises to hide. 2. Spring games usually aren't normal full squads (injuries, split up teams, whatever) which has more of a impact on offense because it's all about timing and getting players to mesh together, where defense is reaction and more individualistic. Not having one D-Lineman play will show the loss of his individual talents, but not really change the way your line plays. Throw out a couple of O-Linemen, and your whole line is off-kilter. Timing with receivers and all take time; everyone converging on the ball...not so much. 3. In this particular case we're installing a new offense and defense, and offense takes more time to get right, because there's a lot more to get down after the fundamentals than there is on defense. There are lots of other reasons listed in the post game threads...those were just a few.

Desmonlon Edwoodson

April 17th, 2011 at 5:29 PM ^

You used the A-word.  The randomly and ambiguously sensitive PC police will be after you in short order.  Funny how they come out of the woodwork when someone suggests that someone other than Rodriguez their lord and savior might be able to put together a football team...

M-Wolverine

April 17th, 2011 at 6:22 PM ^

No one was really complaining about Denard, were they? But compared to a thread where the guy was predicting doom after a spring game and calling everyone cowards for not reacting the same way, I'm not sure one deserves editing more than the other for "content".

Edit: Guess it appears ok on the website.

Seth

April 17th, 2011 at 9:02 PM ^

Hey, I was doing this from an iPad during a wedding...gimme a break, eh? I didn't see the other thread. I saw this one and hijacked it rather than end the conversation.

And on the other thing...thanks.

UMfam

April 17th, 2011 at 7:05 PM ^

NBC sports quotes about Boise St. spring game:

"But actually watching the spring game itself turned out to be another story, as Boise’s defense ruled the 21-13 final. Quarterback and Heisman finalist Kellen Moore finished 5-of-14 for 50 yards in three series — almost statistically identical to Michigan quarterback Denard Robinson (who finished 5-0f-14 for 68 yards in Michigan’s scrimmage)."

Point is, the spring games across the country weren't beautiful, as they never are.   The Defense will usually rule and QBs will struggle.   Lets all just relax.

ryebreadboy

April 17th, 2011 at 7:42 PM ^

Has anyone argued yet that this is the Michigan defense vs. the Michigan offense?  Of course the M defense should be better at stopping Denard -- they play him every practice.