TGIF POSBANG - Final Four Edition!!

TGIF POSBANG - Final Four Edition!!

Submitted by UM Griff on March 30th, 2018 at 12:22 AM
We are now down to the wire; Wolverines are gathering in San Antonio to cheer on this marvelous group of young men. Michigan is so blessed to have John Beilein for a coach - to show how (in this unsettling time for college basketball) things can be done the right way. As a coach, as a teacher, and as a man he will lead the Wolverines to victory on Saturday with class and style. Go Blue!!

Can Michigan MBB win a National Title?

Can Michigan MBB win a National Title?

Submitted by sheepdog on January 17th, 2018 at 4:37 PM

JB has been a fringe contender for years, with the exception of 2013. He is a solid coach but winning the natty Men's College Basketball National Championship is hard enough, even for the elite programs. So here is my opinion on where we are. What do you say?

Wagner is showing flashes, especially of late, of one of the best players in the country.  He had a slowish start to the season, and an ankle injury, but he is coming on and is no doubt one of the best at his position in the country.

Livers is a major step up from Robinson and is going to be a special player. He has the size, athleticism, scoring ability and defense at times to help Michigan win its toughest games. Can he grow up fast enough?

Matthews can dominate the right match ups and take over a game. Great scorer, great rebounder.  Not elite yet, but does have potential to be elite. Can he turn into a trusted go-to guy by the end of the season?

MAAR is one of best, if not the best roll players in the country.  He is a consistent scorer, defender, free throw shooter, assist man, turned into a pretty good slasher, and most trusted guy on the team. 

Simpson has greatly improved but is still a bit of a wild card.  Needs to be a more consistent scorer, but the pressure is off since the rest of the starting line up can score.  Can he solidify fast enough like Walton did?

Bench - robinson is where he needs to be, but still a productive player.  Poole has been a terrific spark and Brookes is not a liability. Teske has been solid for the most part.

This team just beat and hung with (should have beat) two likely/potential 1 seeds (2 Seeds at worst). Overall, I think they are definitely good enough to win the B1G title. My gut feeling is this team is good enough win it all, but may need another year. Unfortunately that is not going to happen since Wagner may go, Matthews may go and MAAR is gone.

What say you?  Does this team have what it takes?

edit: clarifification for those confused about what we are trying to win.

John Beilein on 2013 title game: I'm not saying, I'm just saying

John Beilein on 2013 title game: I'm not saying, I'm just saying

Submitted by stephenrjking on March 18th, 2017 at 3:39 PM

This is the John Beilein equivalent of hot fire:

John Beilein on whether he'll show Michigan any clips from 2013 national championship game:

— Orion Sang (@orion_sang) March 18, 2017

He doesn't say what he means. Everyone knows.

Vote Beilein/ChadTough - Infiniti Coaches Challenge

Vote Beilein/ChadTough - Infiniti Coaches Challenge

Submitted by ItsGreatToBe on January 3rd, 2017 at 9:22 PM

SIAP - I searched back to NYE and didn't see a thread title that would lead me to believe this is out there. If it is, consider this a friendly reminder.


It's back - from now through March Madness!

Stuffing the ballot box is allowed, so vote early and often.

Let's run away with this one again this year.

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Michigan Men's Basketball; John Beilein and Defining Recent Success

Michigan Men's Basketball; John Beilein and Defining Recent Success

Submitted by Steves_Wolverines on June 24th, 2016 at 6:49 PM

Hello and Happy Aloha Friday.

This offseason is still in its infancy, we’ve seen the usual terrible threads rear their ugly head, and our countdown is still in offensive linemen territory. 

This board has had significant debates within countless threads regarding John Beilein and the state of the Michigan Men’s Basketball program. There seems to be many users perched at both extremes; the sky is falling crowd, where John Beilein can’t do anything right, and needs to be shown the door sooner rather than later; and the crowd that has belief in John Beilein, his straight-arrowed approach, and success to date and potential for even greater success. We’ve seen birthdate as a hypothesis for determining what crowd you fall in to. We’ve seen differing definitions for a successful season, successful tenure, and recruiting hauls. We’ve also seen questions of how successful a “football” school should be when facing off against “basketball” schools.

My postulation is that the college basketball game is more of a “what have you done for me lately” business. High school players that travel the AAU circuit and earn McDonald All-American and Mr. Basketball accolades are on a one-track mission to go to the University which provides them the best opportunity to put their talents on display for one-two years, and then get drafted into the NBA (ideally as a lottery pick). I believe things such as “tradition” and geographic location can be thrown out the window when these high school athletes are deciding on which University they will attend. They only care about winning during their short time at college, and then fulfilling their dream of playing in the NBA. This is not a fault for these athletes; it’s simply the nature of the business. They know that the way out of wherever they came from, or how they financially help out their family, is to make it to the NBA and succeed.

The data I selected for this review is to look at which programs have been successful “lately”. I chose to go back to the 1999-2000 season. I chose 1999 as my starting season because 1) players on those teams are still competing in the NBA, and 2) coaches from 1999 are still coaching. The table below is broken up into three sections. The first section highlights teams that have made it to the National Championship game since 1999. The list of schools I chose to review is made up of teams that have been to a Championship game. This is how many define success; winning championships. The next section highlights wins, losses, NCAAT wins, and the number of 5-star recruits (as reported by 247 sports). I chose this time period to highlight which teams have had the most recent success. I also listed the number of players from each University are currently in the NBA (*this was made up prior to the 2016 NBA Draft). The last section shows wins, losses, bowl wins, and National Championships in football dating back to 2000-2001.



  1999 - Present   Basketball 2013-2014 - Present         Football 2000-2001 - Present      
Team NCAAT Championship Game Appearances NCAAT Championships Wins Losses NCAAT Wins 5* Recruits NBA Players Wins Losses Bowl Wins National Champions
Arizona 1 0 92 18 6 4 13 93 103 4 -
Butler 2 0 59 39 2 0 2 - - - -
Connecticut 4 4 77 34 7 1 7 91 103 3 -
Duke 4 3 86 24 8 8 18 58 135 1 -
Florida 3 2 73 35 7 3 10 147 60 8 2
Illinois 1 0 54 48 0 0 2 76 117 2 -
Indiana 1 0 64 37 4 3 4 64 126 - -
Kansas 3 1 85 24 5 7 19 67 123 3 -
Kentucky 2 1 94 21 10 13 20 75 118 3 -
Louisville 1 1 81 23 5 0 4 137 65 7 -
Maryland 1 1 72 30 3 1 3 103 95 5 -
Memphis 1 0 61 39 1 1 3 82 113 3 -
Michigan 1 0 67 38 4 0 6 129 72 5 -
Michigan State 2 1 85 27 7 0 6 125 78 5 -
North Carolina 3 2 83 29 8 3 16 100 99 3 -
Ohio State 1 0 70 35 1 1 5 166 37 9 2
Syracuse 1 1 69 33 5 2 8 81 113 4 -
UCLA 1 0 65 40 4 3 14 114 89 5 -
Villanova 1 1 97 13 8 1 4 - - - -
Wisconsin 1 0 88 25 11 0 5 146 64 7 -


I wanted to see which schools are not only winning in the regular season, but also making multiple runs in the NCAAT. The figure below shows that Wisconsin and Kentucky have had the most success in the NCAAT, while only Villanova and Arizona can claim more regular season wins. MSU is right alongside Duke, UNC, UCONN, and Florida. Michigan is in a cluster than includes Indiana, UCLA, Maryland, and Syracuse. Illinois, Memphis, Ohio State, and Butler are the four teams which have had the least amount of recent success in the NCAAT.

The next graph illustrates 5-star recruits with recent success. The big three of Kentucky, Duke, and Kansas hog most of the 5-stars. Wisconsin, MSU, and Louisville have been successful while bringing in zero 5-stars; Michigan isn’t far behind. 

The next graph attempts to highlight how successful a program is at winning and getting their players to the NBA. It should come as no surprise to see Kentucky, Kansas, Duke, and North Carolina lead the way. Arizona, UCLA, and Florida comprise the next group. Michigan is on par with MSU, OSU, UCONN, and Wisconsin. 

The final graph attempts to highlight which schools can be defined as a basketball or football school (or both). Quadrant 1 (upper right) schools have had success in both football and basketball. Quadrant 2 (upper left) schools have had more recent success in football. Quadrant 3 (bottom left) schools have had little success in either football or basketball. Quadrant 4 (bottom right) schools have had more recent success in basketball. 

Analysis and Conclusion

I firmly believe in John Beilein, his system, his recruiting, and the success he has brought to this program. Beilein has shown time and again that his teams can compete against Kentucky, Kansas, Duke, etc. He has brought multiple NCAAT runs, Big-10 Championships, a NPOY, and success at getting players to the NBA. This presentation of information shows that Michigan isn’t too far behind the elites in college basketball.

My hope for the future is to have a decade of success similar to what Bo Ryan was able to do at Wisconsin. I believe that Beilein is the right coach for the job, and has the players in place to make a deep run this year and next year.

Go Blue!

Sports Illustrated ranks John Beilein 9th best offensive coach in NCAA

Sports Illustrated ranks John Beilein 9th best offensive coach in NCAA

Submitted by ST3 on March 18th, 2016 at 4:07 PM…

Sports Illustrated has a story up at about NCAA coaches and which ones are best at building elite offenses. John Beilein is in 9th place overall and third in the Big 10 behind Matta and Crean. He didn't score well in recruiting instant impact players (no surprise) but he made up for that in player development.

SI’s study was limited to coaches who’ve spent at least the past four years in one of the nine biggest conferences (the ACC, American, Atlantic 10, Big East, Big Ten, Big 12, Mountain West, Pac-12 and SEC) or at one of the elite programs in the Missouri Valley or West Coast Conferences. It begins with data from 2006–07 and ends with the 2015–16 regular season, up until the beginning of conference tournaments. It focuses strictly on offense because it’s possible to analyze players on an individual level (not so with defense), and because great offense is critical in the NCAA tournament. Just one national champ in the past 10 years (UConn in 2014) has entered the dance ranked outside the top 20 in adjusted offensive efficiency.

All We Need is a Sling and a Stone

All We Need is a Sling and a Stone

Submitted by Alex Cook on February 16th, 2016 at 3:00 PM


Bryan Fuller

It’s hard to believe, but John Beilein’s now in his ninth season at Michigan. About a week and a half ago, he coached his 300th game for the Maize and Blue. After a coach has been around for a certain amount of time, he essentially becomes a known quantity: his offensive philosophies, defensive strategies, substitution patterns, recruiting priorities, and player development trends are all well-known among Michigan fans, and at this point, there’s little mystery about John Beilein or his methods.

In the wake of two embarrassing blowout losses to hated rivals, there was predictable bellyaching about Beilein’s level of job security – some fans even went as far as to call for his firing (while evidently forgetting the Ellerbe-Amaker purgatory that Beilein pulled Michigan out of in the first place). To be sure, it’s easy for people to harp on Beilein’s perceived blind spots and, to be sure, some of those complaints are valid. The reluctance to play guys in foul trouble has surely cost Michigan games over the years. Empirically, we’ve discovered that he manages to develop average defenses at best, and usually they’re far more mediocre than average. Sometimes it seems as if he struggles to accommodate players who don’t have skill sets tailor-made for his system. Gripes about his recruiting strategy and/or the outcome of his recruiting classes have varying levels of credibility.

Still, it’s important to remember Beilein’s strengths. He was well ahead of his time with his insistence on spacing, shooting, and using a non-traditional four in his signature four-out motion offense. There are several notable examples of his players vastly overachieving relative to what their recruiting rankings would project. He adapted to the unprecedented level of talent on his teams by implementing more pick-and-roll action into his offense – and indeed, the trend of his guards developing their passing ability in those sets can surely be attributed to coaching. He coached the best offense in the country in two separate years. He’s won two Big Ten titles – including an outright title in a year in which #2 finished three games behind Michigan in college basketball’s toughest contest. He was once a few possessions from winning a national title. He was once a few possessions from reaching another Final Four.

All of that is to say: you’re crazy if you legitimately want Michigan to replace John Beilein. The grass isn’t always greener on the other side, and it’s pretty green here already.

* * *

More or less, this has been a pretty frustrating season (and I’m convinced that the hideous shorts play a not-insignificant part in that). With the notable exception of wins over Maryland and Purdue – more on those in a second – Michigan has won as the favorite and lost as the underdog, and more than a few of those losses have been complete annihilations. Spike Albrecht’s senior season died before it could even begin. Caris LeVert missed over half of Big Ten play with an injury (but he’s back! Woo!). The reality has probably been better than the discourse would indicate: Michigan’s sitting in fourth in the Big Ten, should be safely in the NCAA Tournament barring an epic meltdown, and, critically, still has plenty of room to improve – especially if LeVert makes it back to his phenomenal early-season form.

Anyways, back to those wins over Maryland and Purdue. Those two wins are the linchpin of Michigan’s NCAA Tournament resume: without them, Michigan would be in the unenviable position of talented low-major programs that put up a gaudy win-loss record before losing in their conference tournament – without wins over good opponents, those teams typically find themselves in the NIT.

What do Maryland and Purdue have in common? Per KenPom’s “effective height” metric (which adjusts each individual’s height based on how many minutes they play), they are the two tallest high-major teams in the country. A common criticism of John Beilein teams is that they are ill-equipped to deal with teams with size: juxtaposed against the construct of the big, burly, physical Big Ten, Beilein’s teams – which prize skill and shooting – often match up poorly, in theory.

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