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|20 weeks 2 hours ago||Tempo and success||
FSU 2013 was the most productive (strictly in terms of yardage) in the history of college football and was also very slow (i.e., ran very few plays per game). Jimbo would run some hurry-up in certain situations, e.g., when the O wasn't having success, etc., but it was rare. IMO the main problem with Michigan's O isn't pace.
|23 weeks 4 days ago||Agree||
Gelling is crucial.
|23 weeks 4 days ago||Re Cole||
No doubt Cole was very good in HS--probably the best OL in Florida c/o 2014--and I remember him really impressing at the Opening against the best talent in the county. And although he's barely 6-5 I think he could be a better tackle than guard because (at least in HS) he wasn't an elite drive blocker. Most analysts thought he could be a starting tackle at a BCS program, but only after he spent time in a S&C program and added at least 20 pounds of good weight. According to his roster bio, he's only 292. So he may be vulnerable against the bull rush.
Last, just as surprising as Cole getting the start at LT is that not one of the elite OL from the c/o 2013 is mentioned in the starting 5.
|23 weeks 4 days ago||IMO Nuss is more important than Devin||
because Devin has strengths and weaknesses and it's Nuss's job to exploit the former and mitigate the latter. I don't ever see Devin being a pro-style pocket-passer and if Nuss tries to use him in this way, well...that would be bad for the O.
|38 weeks 6 days ago||Yes, in 2011||
the OL was atrocious b/c of injuries of starting upper-classmen, which resulted in the true Freshmen starting by the end of the season, e.g., bowl game vs a very good Notre Dame team...who didn't lose again until the national championship the following year.
But in 2014 you won't be starting *true* freshmen, you'll be starting RS freshmen. The relevant analgoue to Michigan 2014 is FSU 2012... go see how FSU's OL did in 2012.
|38 weeks 6 days ago||DP||
|39 weeks 40 min ago||No OL starting in 2013 were in year 1 or 2||
But in 2011 FSU some true Freshmen started some games--in the bowl game vs. Notre Dame FSU started 4 true Freshmen. In 2012 all of the 4 2011 true Freshmen started as true Sophomores. Last year (2013) when FSU won the championship, these same 4 OL started as true Juniors.
And of the 4 OL who started some games as true frosh in 2011, and started all games as true Sophomores in 2012 and then started as true Juniors in 2013 only 1 was as highly rated as Bosch, Dawson, Kugler coming out of high school.
In addition to FSU, some of the top programs with OL as highly rated as Bosch, Dawson and Kugler start some OL by year 2--just off the top of my head I know of Ole Miss, Stanford, Bama, Auburn and FSU.
I'm not saying that it's ideal to do so, but these programs aren't known for bad O lines. And on the bright side for Michigan in 2014, you only really need 1 of the 2nd year OL to start... but the others should be able to step in and do so if necessary...these guys were highly rated, grown ass men coming out of HS.
|39 weeks 13 hours ago||There are lots of cases where OL are starting in year 1-2||
e.g., Auburn, Alabama, Ole Miss, Stanford, FSU, et. al. In even the best programs guys like Kugler, Dawson and Bosch would not sit for 2 years unless the team was fortunate enough to be in a position not to need them. There's no good reason that Michigan's 2014 OL isn't very good.
|39 weeks 18 hours ago||Re the youth||
These days it's not unheard of for 2nd year OL--esp. the sort of highly-touted OL that constituted Michigan's 2013 OL class--to be capable of starting, if necessary. Bosch, Fox and Kugler should all be at or around playing weight, i.e., 300-310 lbs. FSU just won a national championship with 4 of the 5 OL starters being in their 3rd year in the program. (Note: the same 4 OL were part of a very good OL in 2012 and were only in their second year in the program... just like Michigan's 2013 OL class will be this year.) And, full disclosure, Bosch, Fox, Kugler and Dawson were better (read: higher rated coming out of high school) than the 4 3rd year OL who just won the national championship at FSU. The top OL from Michigan's 2013 class should all be challenging for a starting position in 2014; the 2014 OL should be very good; and the 2015 OL should be downright dominating, i.e., national championship worthy.
|39 weeks 5 days ago||FSU's WR board||
FYI: this is how FSU's WR board looks right now: Dante Philips, George Campbell, Deon Cain, Calvin Ridley.
Auden Tate visited Tallahassee with family and they really like it, but he is behind these other guys right now. I'm hearing that he's a very good WR, but the only knock on him is lack of elite speed.
|41 weeks 9 min ago||I don't think Harris will end||
I don't think Harris will end up at FSU b/c FSU is in very good position (probably leading) for both Patrick and J Frasier.
Question for the crowd: how important is Michigan's 2014 W/L record and James Franklin in your 2015 recruiting?
|3 years 27 weeks ago||I expect Michigan's '11 D to be in the top 13-ish%||
of D's that jumped 50+ spots because Michigan has everything needed, i.e.,
1. elite D coaching
2. lots of returning starters
3. lots of *experienced* returning starters
4. above average 4-year recruiting
IMO teams with 1-4 are set up for maximal progress. In '11 I expect Michigan's D to be somewhere around 30; and then 15-ish in '12.
btw, great read. enjoyed it.
|3 years 28 weeks ago||Cheer up Michigan fans!||
I expect your Defense to be between around #30 next year. And here's why--it's an argument by analogy:
In 2009 FSU was #79 Defensive S&P (DS&P) http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ncaadef2009
In 2010 we were #32 in DS&P http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ncaadef
Here's what changed between 2009 and 2010:
1. A new, good OC who was implemented a conservative, simple scheme that the players could handle.
2. 2009 was a historically bad year (worst year in 20+ seasons).
3. In 2010 FSU returned 8 D starters, but only 2 were seniors (in 2010).
Sound familiar? In 2010 you were #86 DS&P, which is slightly worse than FSU in 2009. In 2011 your D will be coached by a new, good DC who will run a back-to-basics D that your D players can handle. You return more starters in 2011 than FSU did in 2010 *but* you also return more experienced starters than FSU's. Returning starters is only 1 piece of the puzzle for projecting DS&P--also important is what class (Fr, So, Jr, Sr) these returning starters are.
FSU's progression from 2009-2010 and the similarities to Michigan's transition from 2010 to 2011 make me believe that Michigan's D will be somewhere around #30 DS&P.
|3 years 50 weeks ago||Well said||
FSU finished with the best record in 5 years; beat both their in-state rivals for the first time in 11 years by the greatest margin of victory ever; and the bowl win over a favored SCAR was important.
Now, your comment (about poor W/L record & good recruiting) does apply to FSU classes before 2011, e.g., 2010, etc.