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- 1st off: the NCAA can revisit this issue annually (so it might be re-visited next year)
Now, the process and rationale for the ban:
- 6 of the conferences voted against satellite camps (including the P12 and B12); 4 were in favor (and the B1G was the only P5 conference that voted in favor of the camps). So this isn't a conspiracy by the SEC (& ACC).
- Few schools--esp. smaller ones--have the resources (i.e., $$$, staff, etc.) to actually run satellite camps. So satellite camps benefit the big schools with money.
- There's a general sense that recruiting has run amok--and, yes, Jim Harbaugh is the partially to blame for this with recent recruiting events. And the NCAA has limited resources to police recruiting. For example, how does the NCAA police each text sent by each coach to each recruit? In short, they can't. And allowing (unlimited and unregulated--see below) satellite camps would expand the already enormous scope of recruiting and the NCAA's challenges to police it.
Last, the ban does seem reactive and un-nuanced. For example, why not allow camps but regulate them? Examples of options:
- Limit the # of camps that a school can host annually.
- Place regional limits on camps.
- Allow coaches from other schools to attend a camp on another schools' campus. (Note: the current ban only permits camps on one's own campus. This, for example, prevents the coaches of Eastern Michigan to attend a camp on the Michigan campus to scout the lesser talented recruits who won't earn a Michigan offer.)
|3 weeks 18 hours ago||Couple things re the NCAA's satellite camp ban||
|9 weeks 9 hours ago||Think JP will play RB this year||
|9 weeks 5 days ago||Comments & Question about Spring break at IMG||
Agree with "The IMG trip is unprecedented, I believe, for football players. "
So the newness here is (1) scope and, as noted in the post, (2) recruiting.
Re 1 footing the bill for airfare, lodging, food, incidentals for 100+ players is different than, say, 12 basketball players. But it's is just a difference of degree and it's not prohibited.
Re (2), since the spring break practice at IMG is during the NCAA's Quiet Period, which prohibits face-to-face contact with recruits *off-campus* and one of the practices is open to the public (recruits are part of the public), do you think there's any reason for concern re recruiting violations?
|11 weeks 1 day ago||Great mailbag||
Great questions. My 2 cents on the 1st question re dropping commits, etc. I know that Sweeny was a special case (committed under Hoke, etc.) but if a coaching staff S has any doubts about a kid (e.g., how he'll develop, etc.) that staff can't accept his commitment. If a staff accepts commitments and drops the kid before NSD, that staff will be negatively recruited very hard on the trail. (Note: I know that Saban does this to a few kids every year, and he can get away with it only b/c he's Saban.)
BTW, what do you guys think about Harbaugh's move away from the no-visit-post-commit policy? I ask b/c, e.g., Clemson does the no-visit-post-commit and it seems to be working well, esp. when recruiting seems to be trending toward more of a circus every year.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||Does anyone know what sort of restrictions (if any) apply to the||
IMG spring break practice?
Per the NCAA recruiting calendar, the practice will be during the Quiet Period, when off-campus contact (or viewing) is prevented. Hmmm. I wonder if there's a loophole, e.g,. kids/parents initiate contact, etc. Not sure.
Also wonder if non staff/players can participate (think: Rick Flair and Tom Brady).
|11 weeks 6 days ago||Not sure||
I was really thinking of the out of state commits like Wade and Pryor (2 of their 3 highest rated commits).
One caveat with these 2 guys, however, is that 2017 is loaded with elite DBs, so this makes it easier for Meyer to sign them.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||All of the IMG players (and Slaton) will be recruited by||
every other elite national program in the country (until NSD). That said, IMO you're probably in better position to land at least one of Ruiz and Slaton than anyone else right now. So I think you get at least one of them.
And I agree with the notes in this piece re Kaindoh, I think it's fair to say that you're in his top 5 given he's from Maryland and therefore probably playing in B1G country.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||Re Meyer locking up talent early||
Every other elite national program will recruit the elite players committed to Ohio St until NSD 2017, esp. the out of state commits. Holding on to these commits won't be easy.
|12 weeks 12 hours ago||Hello Derwin James...who, this DB throwing an SEC RT||
like a rag doll?
Note: I also realize that Michigan fans love playing the Gators.
|12 weeks 14 hours ago||IMO there are a couple rules for RS-ing||
But in general when you have really talented guys who can actually earn PT on ST and/or in important games (e.g., not FCS opponents), you should play them even if it's only 20 reps a season.
But when your roster is loaded with talent (think Bama) or loaded at a the relevant position, RS-ing makes sense. Exceptions are the DL b/c typcally starters are irrelevant and lots of guys rotate. You always have to be aware, however, that even guys who RS could leave after 3 years; and if they do, you've missed out of 1/3 of their production.
One benefit of playing guys early is that you can sell elite recruits on early PT (b/c you've actually played true FR). The downside is that your roster turns over more quickly...but Harbaugh seems to be just fine with roster turnover ;-)
|12 weeks 15 hours ago||Peppers is also #1 b/c he returns punts and was your best RB for||
a stretch last year. IIRC Harbaugh has said that he has plans to use Peppers in even more ways this year in all 3 phases. B/c of this, I'd say he's #1.
|12 weeks 15 hours ago||Guys like Peppers leave after 3 years||
whether they RS or not. So RS-ing makes no sense.
Hell, Peppers might be a Heisman finalist this year. He'll be in the first 2 rounds of every upcoming mock draft. He's leaving early.
|12 weeks 16 hours ago||Re upper-classmen||
I predict this year will be the last year where there are lots of upper-classmen starting; next year will be the first year where a trend will begin where *more* younger players are starting.
Reason: this is the trend of elite programs.
|12 weeks 1 day ago||In the recent past Bama has indirectly played players||
getting them summer jobs where they don't need to work, etc.
Remember DJ Fluker's twitter slip (where later he said he was hacked, of course)?
There's lots of ways for players (or their family, etc.) to receive financial benefits, directly or indirectly. We only discover it when someone opens their mouth, e.g., Tunsil's stepdad, etc.
|12 weeks 1 day ago||Agree with Eubanks' ceiling||
He already has a D1-A frame, and only needs to put on 20 lbs before he gets PT. And he comes from American Heritage, which is an elite HS program (e.g,. last year, they beat IMG Academy, only lost to DeMatha by 1 point, etc.). I could see him developing into another Funchess.
|12 weeks 1 day ago||Yeah, that was the implication||
but the truth is that Ole Miss is the only real worry of these 3. I mean the NCAA actually found a case of private financial support (which is incredibly rare) at Ole Miss just last year. FSU and Clemson pay as much as any other programs, which isn't much. In fact FSU and Clemson have both lost at least 5 targets/commits to SEC West programs that I can recall in the past couple years due to what is likely 'financial supplements'. When it comes to paying players the SEC West programs (esp. Auburn, Bama, Ole Miss, LSU) are on a different level.
|12 weeks 3 days ago||Good news re Slaton||
Is that FSU is real competition but they had a huge OL haul in 2016...& have 19 OL on scholarship. So PT won't be early.
And boy do y'all cast a wide net in recruiting...looking for the top players in CA, TX, FL, GA, PA.
|15 weeks 2 days ago||Does anything have the info||
Does anything have the info on the attrition since Jimmy took over, e.g., # of transfers, medical DQs, kicked off team, etc.?
|44 weeks 4 days ago||Welcome to big boy football||
Welcome to big boy football. Good to know that Jimmy's in it to win it.
|46 weeks 4 days ago||So much (under-rated) talent in Miami||
and The Tie (aka Al Golden) has shown that he cannot build a fence around his own city to keep others out.
|1 year 33 weeks ago||Tempo and success||
FSU 2013 was the most productive (strictly in terms of yardage) in the history of college football and was also very slow (i.e., ran very few plays per game). Jimbo would run some hurry-up in certain situations, e.g., when the O wasn't having success, etc., but it was rare. IMO the main problem with Michigan's O isn't pace.
|1 year 37 weeks ago||Agree||
Gelling is crucial.
|1 year 37 weeks ago||Re Cole||
No doubt Cole was very good in HS--probably the best OL in Florida c/o 2014--and I remember him really impressing at the Opening against the best talent in the county. And although he's barely 6-5 I think he could be a better tackle than guard because (at least in HS) he wasn't an elite drive blocker. Most analysts thought he could be a starting tackle at a BCS program, but only after he spent time in a S&C program and added at least 20 pounds of good weight. According to his roster bio, he's only 292. So he may be vulnerable against the bull rush.
Last, just as surprising as Cole getting the start at LT is that not one of the elite OL from the c/o 2013 is mentioned in the starting 5.
|1 year 37 weeks ago||IMO Nuss is more important than Devin||
because Devin has strengths and weaknesses and it's Nuss's job to exploit the former and mitigate the latter. I don't ever see Devin being a pro-style pocket-passer and if Nuss tries to use him in this way, well...that would be bad for the O.
|2 years 4 days ago||Yes, in 2011||
the OL was atrocious b/c of injuries of starting upper-classmen, which resulted in the true Freshmen starting by the end of the season, e.g., bowl game vs a very good Notre Dame team...who didn't lose again until the national championship the following year.
But in 2014 you won't be starting *true* freshmen, you'll be starting RS freshmen. The relevant analgoue to Michigan 2014 is FSU 2012... go see how FSU's OL did in 2012.
|2 years 4 days ago||DP||
|2 years 4 days ago||No OL starting in 2013 were in year 1 or 2||
But in 2011 FSU some true Freshmen started some games--in the bowl game vs. Notre Dame FSU started 4 true Freshmen. In 2012 all of the 4 2011 true Freshmen started as true Sophomores. Last year (2013) when FSU won the championship, these same 4 OL started as true Juniors.
And of the 4 OL who started some games as true frosh in 2011, and started all games as true Sophomores in 2012 and then started as true Juniors in 2013 only 1 was as highly rated as Bosch, Dawson, Kugler coming out of high school.
In addition to FSU, some of the top programs with OL as highly rated as Bosch, Dawson and Kugler start some OL by year 2--just off the top of my head I know of Ole Miss, Stanford, Bama, Auburn and FSU.
I'm not saying that it's ideal to do so, but these programs aren't known for bad O lines. And on the bright side for Michigan in 2014, you only really need 1 of the 2nd year OL to start... but the others should be able to step in and do so if necessary...these guys were highly rated, grown ass men coming out of HS.
|2 years 5 days ago||There are lots of cases where OL are starting in year 1-2||
e.g., Auburn, Alabama, Ole Miss, Stanford, FSU, et. al. In even the best programs guys like Kugler, Dawson and Bosch would not sit for 2 years unless the team was fortunate enough to be in a position not to need them. There's no good reason that Michigan's 2014 OL isn't very good.
|2 years 5 days ago||Re the youth||
These days it's not unheard of for 2nd year OL--esp. the sort of highly-touted OL that constituted Michigan's 2013 OL class--to be capable of starting, if necessary. Bosch, Fox and Kugler should all be at or around playing weight, i.e., 300-310 lbs. FSU just won a national championship with 4 of the 5 OL starters being in their 3rd year in the program. (Note: the same 4 OL were part of a very good OL in 2012 and were only in their second year in the program... just like Michigan's 2013 OL class will be this year.) And, full disclosure, Bosch, Fox, Kugler and Dawson were better (read: higher rated coming out of high school) than the 4 3rd year OL who just won the national championship at FSU. The top OL from Michigan's 2013 class should all be challenging for a starting position in 2014; the 2014 OL should be very good; and the 2015 OL should be downright dominating, i.e., national championship worthy.
|2 years 1 week ago||FSU's WR board||
FYI: this is how FSU's WR board looks right now: Dante Philips, George Campbell, Deon Cain, Calvin Ridley.
Auden Tate visited Tallahassee with family and they really like it, but he is behind these other guys right now. I'm hearing that he's a very good WR, but the only knock on him is lack of elite speed.