That's the thing all QBs are dependent upon the talent around them. A 5 star QB with a composite 3 star supporting cast will look like a 3 star QB.
By talent I mean a dominant OL that can control the point of attack in both phases. TEs that can create matchup problems on LBs or DBs. WRs that beat press and create separation and most importantly a 3rd WR (slot).
Neither Moore or Carr or any QB can elevate a program by themselves. But if you match them with elite pieces then that's what allows a Clemson program to beat an Alabama program that had far more talent & depth.
The reason why I liked CJ Carr over Moore. A tale in two quotes
1. "I can't wait to commit so that I can start recruiting for my school" - Carr
2. "Its not my job to recruit players. That's the coaches job". - Moore
Quote #2 isn't wrong its just that your success as a player is dependent upon the talent around you.
In fairness CJ is the son of a D1 QB, and grew up watching Michigan QBs up close. So he's more "aware" of the situational LEADERSHIP required of a D1 QB than Moore.
For all the talk of ND NIL one thing rarely mentioned is that Marcus Freeman works hard at recruiting. He's NDs lead recruiter on EVERY prospect. He makes on avg of 10 calls per day.
More than NIL money NDs jump in recruiting has been due to having a cultural change at HC. When the HC is 100% in on recruiting he changes the culture by forcing the rest of the staff to match or exceed his effort.
Every coach on that ND staff knows that they better keep up with Freeman pace or else they'll be coaching someplace else.
One more data point about NDs NIL. They also have the #1 rated class for 2024 and that classes NIL market hasn't been set. They got IL WR Cam Williams yesterday and he GREW UP A MICHIGAN fan.
If Dante Moore is all about NIL what what happened with LSU, Oregon and Miami?
All three are major NIL players, with Oregon being one of the biggest, and all three apparently thought they had little shot of landing Moore as they all quickly offered other QBs afterward.
P.S. People keep thinking of NIL as upfront 'sign with me money'. You can be all about NIL and have a longer term view for your brand (which school give me the best platform to establish the widest brand).
Would you rather get 50K from a Miami Hospital or 25K for a podcast on under the Fox Sports banner?
In reading the responses I wonder if anyone actually bothered to read the article.
Redfield isn't your typical 5* football player.
The first two paragraphs of the article (below) make that clear and explain why he choose ND over USC.
ND doesn't win many battles for 5* kids who are all football. There are plenty of schools with better women, weather, and easier class loads.
The 5* guys they get tend to be guys like Redfield who see life beyond football.
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SOUTH BEND, Ind. -- Five days a week, Max Redfield takes a Mandarin Chinese class at Notre Dame. There is a quiz nearly every day, two assignments due per week, plus oral exams, movie narrations and skits. There are 3,000 characters to learn, sometimes 15 strokes to a character, and one errant swipe is the difference between right and wrong. For a college football player with a packed schedule, it is not a particularly advisable course of study. That's why the sophomore’s academic advisors wonder why he chose it. He has answers for this blowback.
Redfield has always been intrigued by China. It is an expanding market with a booming population and, as the international economics major notes, a lot of money to be made. Also, in middle school, he caught a couple episodes of CSI. That sparked an interest in criminal investigation and forensics, which sparked an interest in government agencies, which has him now aiming to join the CIA. Learning Chinese is tradecraft, a tool to help Redfield blend in.
"I would also never let ND have a shot at the playoffs unless they play a conference championship game."
Does that rule also apply to the Big XII (Texas, Oklahoma)?
To me your rule doesn't really make sense. As I see it winning a conference championship is secondary to playing a quality schedule. With conference expansion 1/2 the teams in conferences don't even meet. This has led to situations where teams have won championships without playing the best teams in their conference. Why should we reward a team who played a weak schedule but won their conference championship game.
I think strength of schedule is the best way to pick playoff teams.
Given similar records I just couldn't vote a team with the 42nd rated schedule into a playoff ahead of a team with a top 10 SOS simply because they won their championship game (where they may have beaten a team with a 8-5 record).
"I guess they'll offer more than 9/million a year when the contract expires in 2 years."
Maybe. Maybe not
Two points.
I'm not sure what UM's leverage is to force Addidas to pay more. UM's 8.2 million dollar a year deal is the 2nd largest in the industry. If Addidas offers 8.2 million again I don't see where UM goes to get a better deal.
Nike isn't an option. They are the market leader. As such they don't pay what Addidas and UA pay.
UA would be an option, but only if UM wants to play 2nd fiddle to ND, because after what happened with Addidas you can bet you life that ND has MFN rights with UA for the length of their contract.
Secondly, ND is getting at least 9 million a year. What people have not mentioned is that THEY HAVE STOCK OPTIONS with the fastest growing apparel company in the market.
ND's stock options make the financial aspects of their deal with UA almost unmatchable for any other company.
"I think a dual THREAT should be a guy who can beat you with his arm and his feet. Barnett looks like a guy who can keep plays alive with his feet, but he's not going to take over a game on the ground."
Fundamentally disagree.
IMO, a dual-threat QB is one whom you must account for on every play.
It doesn't matter if he can go the distance like Robinson or RGIII. Brian Kelly and Nussmier certainly aren't looking to run Barnett or Town 15 times a game. What coaches are looking for in DT QB's are guys who's ability to run & pass create (favorable) numbers situations. If you have to use a defender or two to defend the QB against a possible run, the offense has a numbers advantage at the point of attack.
As a defense you only have 11 guys to deploy. With a pocket passer, or a QB who isn't a threat to run, you as a defense have numbers. You have 11 guys to defend 10.
Ah, but if the QB can run, the numbers now now favor offense in that its 11 on 11, or even 11 on 10 or even 9 depending on formation.
Depth.
ND took 5 OL in 2011: Hanratty (G), Niklas (OT), Hegarty (G), Hounshell (G), N. Martin (G).
Niklas played OLB his first year and was moved to TE last year. Hounshell moved to DL.
So the real haul from that class was 3 OL.
ND took 2 OL in 2012: Stanley (OT), Harrell (G)
So ND took 5 OL over two classes 11 & 12.
ND took 5 OL in 2013 (last year): Bivin (OT), Elmer (OT), McGlinchey (OT), McGovern (G), Montelus (G).
So over the last 3 season ND has taken 10 total OL. That's kinda low numbers wise and I suspect that the reason why they'll do 4/5 this year is to get numbers and competition up to an acceptable level (3 lines deep). They'll probably go light 1 or 2 on OL next year.
ND will take at least 4 OL and will go as high as 5 ONLY if the fifth OL is 5* OT/G Braden Smith. All the recruits have been told the numbers situation and know that 4 is the magic number. B. Smith (TCU, & ND lead) has specifically been told that they'll reserve a 5th OL spot for him.
FWIW, most of the ND sites expect Bars to fall to them by the middle of the month.
I don't think Hood himself ever had distance concerns about ND.
It was his parents who were concerned about the distance and wanted to know more about who would be looking out for their son..
His parents visited ND over the weekend and finally meet Kelly and everyone. Evidently they loved they loved the place and after meeting everyone they had no concerns about the people who looking out for Elijah for the next 4 years.
Once Elijah had their blessing he promptly committed to the school that he seemingly wanted to go to all along.
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That's the thing all QBs are dependent upon the talent around them. A 5 star QB with a composite 3 star supporting cast will look like a 3 star QB.
By talent I mean a dominant OL that can control the point of attack in both phases. TEs that can create matchup problems on LBs or DBs. WRs that beat press and create separation and most importantly a 3rd WR (slot).
Neither Moore or Carr or any QB can elevate a program by themselves. But if you match them with elite pieces then that's what allows a Clemson program to beat an Alabama program that had far more talent & depth.
The reason why I liked CJ Carr over Moore. A tale in two quotes
1. "I can't wait to commit so that I can start recruiting for my school" - Carr
2. "Its not my job to recruit players. That's the coaches job". - Moore
Quote #2 isn't wrong its just that your success as a player is dependent upon the talent around you.
In fairness CJ is the son of a D1 QB, and grew up watching Michigan QBs up close. So he's more "aware" of the situational LEADERSHIP required of a D1 QB than Moore.
You know in LIFE hard work is generally rewarded.
For all the talk of ND NIL one thing rarely mentioned is that Marcus Freeman works hard at recruiting. He's NDs lead recruiter on EVERY prospect. He makes on avg of 10 calls per day.
More than NIL money NDs jump in recruiting has been due to having a cultural change at HC. When the HC is 100% in on recruiting he changes the culture by forcing the rest of the staff to match or exceed his effort.
Every coach on that ND staff knows that they better keep up with Freeman pace or else they'll be coaching someplace else.
One more data point about NDs NIL. They also have the #1 rated class for 2024 and that classes NIL market hasn't been set. They got IL WR Cam Williams yesterday and he GREW UP A MICHIGAN fan.
There's a pattern/trend emerging here.
If Dante Moore is all about NIL what what happened with LSU, Oregon and Miami?
All three are major NIL players, with Oregon being one of the biggest, and all three apparently thought they had little shot of landing Moore as they all quickly offered other QBs afterward.
P.S. People keep thinking of NIL as upfront 'sign with me money'. You can be all about NIL and have a longer term view for your brand (which school give me the best platform to establish the widest brand).
Would you rather get 50K from a Miami Hospital or 25K for a podcast on under the Fox Sports banner?
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Speaking of CJ Carr.
https://twitter.com/13Cjcarr/status/1521929434693046272
He isn't going to be easy to land either. If Alabama is offering 1yr+ out....
"I guess they'll offer more than 9/million a year when the contract expires in 2 years."
Maybe. Maybe not
Two points.
I'm not sure what UM's leverage is to force Addidas to pay more. UM's 8.2 million dollar a year deal is the 2nd largest in the industry. If Addidas offers 8.2 million again I don't see where UM goes to get a better deal.
Nike isn't an option. They are the market leader. As such they don't pay what Addidas and UA pay.
UA would be an option, but only if UM wants to play 2nd fiddle to ND, because after what happened with Addidas you can bet you life that ND has MFN rights with UA for the length of their contract.
Secondly, ND is getting at least 9 million a year. What people have not mentioned is that THEY HAVE STOCK OPTIONS with the fastest growing apparel company in the market.
ND's stock options make the financial aspects of their deal with UA almost unmatchable for any other company.