Why couldn't our line push Army around

Submitted by ldevon1 on September 8th, 2019 at 12:41 PM

Maybe this doesn't deserve it's own thread, but believe it or not, I watched the game over and I just can't believe, even with that horrible play calling, our line couldn't just push this team around. Their largest lineman was 280lbs. Ruiz probably had his worst game ever at UM.

bamf_16

September 8th, 2019 at 2:20 PM ^

5 fumbles lost, 4 opposing TD's on the ensuing possessions.

 

The one that wasn't was the Army possession where the RB got the 15 yard penalty, which that offense has no shot of overcoming.

 

The defense pitched a 2nd half shutout and obviously came up big in the OT session, but you'd like to see a better percentage on drives starting off turnovers.

 

Oh, and Khaleke Hudson should have gone pro immediately after the Minnesota game two years ago. 

Fezzik

September 8th, 2019 at 3:34 PM ^

But 3 of the same guys got much better push last year and should only be improved this year. My best guess is they are taught to block differently in our new offensive scheme and they are much better with however the hell we run blocked in last years run scheme.

I don't know enough about OL to know if this is accurate but right now it's the most logical/probable thing I can gather.

wolverine1987

September 8th, 2019 at 12:46 PM ^

Yes this belong in the offense thread. But before it gets deleted, I went through the whole thread and only Stephen Jerking mentioned the poor o-line play. In my view, this was the 90% of the issue yesterday, not Gattis or Harbaugh, not Shea. We got beat upfront on both passing and rushing downs, 2.5 yards per carry against Army is dare I say it, unacceptable.

El Jeffe

September 8th, 2019 at 12:51 PM ^

My guess is that for Army,

defending the run:defense::triple option:offense

By that I mean that Army knows its DL are small so it makes sure you can't just "push them around" with the play of their LBs. This is part of why the offensive game plan was so weird, or at least in the second half. It's like Michigan thought that they were the only ones who recognized how small Army was, and like a big dumb Goliath acted accordingly.

evenyoubrutus

September 8th, 2019 at 12:53 PM ^

I have a feeling that Upon Further Review will reveal that Army stacked the box all day and Michigan decided to run into it anyway, or Patterson just made the wrong reads time after time. And we have to consider that the coaches are telling him to give it even when the read says to keep it. Otherwise it makes no sense that they'd keep playing a guy who makes the wrong read 4 out of 5 plays.

Also, I didn't think they covered our receivers well. Shea just couldn't seem to find the open guy, like ever. Now for my blazing hot take: it didn't seem to me that Shea was very well prepared for this game. It was like he was confused on every play, like Army was giving him looks that he didn't know what to do about. He held onto the ball too long on what felt like half the passing plays, and there were times when the open receiver was right in front of him and he seemed locked onto a guy who was double covered. I have no idea if that was a preparation problem or that Shea is regressing, but that was bad either way. 

Mongo

September 8th, 2019 at 1:02 PM ^

Clearly saving Shea for the B1G given his injury.  That game plan was conservative to protect the QB.   McCaffery is coming along but must not yet be there even with Shea at less than 100%.  Will see what they do different in the bye week.  Certainly need to work on ball control and discipline at LOS - too many motion errors and confusion.  

bamf_16

September 8th, 2019 at 2:28 PM ^

In 2006 Michigan played 2 or 3 games of as vanilla and frustrating an offensive game plan as anyone can remember. We wanted to hang Lloyd Carr.

 

Then they go to South Bend and it's vertical pass after vertical pass and UM blew Notre Dame out of their own stadium. We were all like, "OH, so THAT'S what they were saving it for."

 

We've been waiting since then for a repeat performance.

 

I'm still hoping.

GOMBLOG

September 8th, 2019 at 12:58 PM ^

Well UM has two freshman starting at both tackle positions.  With that, the LT was a 230 pound high school TE and the RT was an all-state DE in high school.  #50 is so fat and slow he can’t move and Ruiz is really good at standing around and watching the ball carrier get clobbered but Ruiz will still grade out at a +1000 on Brian’s UFR

Mongo

September 8th, 2019 at 1:10 PM ^

Army is the master of disguise.  I thought a lot of this was caused by Army's approach to our pre-snap adjustments.  They are extremely well coached and prepared.  I don't believe Army is restricted from practicing more than 20 hours a week like a normal NCAA program and it shows in their game week preparation.  

TheDirtyD

September 8th, 2019 at 1:17 PM ^

When a dude a running as fast as he can toward the LOS and you’re just out there with your hands in the air like uhhh and you can’t piece together that hey I should try and do something to prevent him from taking a free run at my QB and instead you look away. 

Please stop playing Hayes. He missed so many assignments yesterday. But Brian will grade him out as +2864. 

ST3

September 8th, 2019 at 1:17 PM ^

I’m not sure because I wasn’t at the game, but the announcer said they were doubling our receivers and blitzing their linebackers so I can only conclude they were playing with 13 men on defense. The refs didn’t flag them for it because of AMERICA!

Joking aside, a defense like that leaves the middle wide open. That’s why Ronnie Bell was open so often.

Jeff09

September 8th, 2019 at 1:46 PM ^

You can’t run into a stacked box with multiple blitzers on every play, it won’t work. There were yards to be had, Shea just refused to pull. This wasn’t an O-line issue imo 

rd2w10

September 8th, 2019 at 2:35 PM ^

I felt like the tackles and rbs werent on the same page on pass pro. I feel like on a few sacks/pressures both the Tackles and Rbs looked inside while a blitzer was going outside.

Vinny The Microwave

September 8th, 2019 at 9:44 PM ^

Because they have no talent and even less coaching. 

That has been the recipe for over decade at Michigan now. No talent, less coaching, and immense hype. 

I would rather be Maryland right now. I would KILL to have Locksley as our coach. Or i would kill to have Frost as our coach. At least these guys actually install and implement what they set out to do. 

Imagine the fucking stupidity to install a new shotgun spread offense, but then just run the same old RB dive plays, but now without a fullback. 

Our staff is the fucking stupidest assholes in the country.