Who was Charles Stewart yelling at?
November 22nd, 2008 at 4:37 PM ^
I thought Stewart was yelling at one of the coaches...
...and then Thompson was yelling at Barwis. But I could be wrong.
Either way, somebody reached in and pushed Barwis away. I would prefer that Barwis keep his nose out of coaching. He's a strength and conditioning coach, not a football coach. The only way he should be yelling at players is when it comes to motivation; that certainly looked like an issue with substitutions or a missed assignment or something, which is not his expertise or his place.
November 22nd, 2008 at 4:56 PM ^
I agree and disagree with that statement. Barwis has been around footbal a long time, and he knows his place on the sideline. If he feels that a player fucked up and yells at them, I think that is his place.
I would be willing to bet he was yelling at him because he was dogging it or because he did something stupid like yell at an official or another player. If that was the case then I not only don't mind, but I approve of it wholeheartedly. Someone has to hold the players accountable in losses, and who better than the scariest motherfucker on the sidelines.
November 22nd, 2008 at 5:05 PM ^
Well, I'm sure we're going to continue to disagree on this one. Math teachers shouldn't be stepping in and telling you how to write an English paper. A police officer shouldn't be handling a fire hose.
By definition of his job - strength and conditioning coach/coordinator/whatever - he shouldn't be in the players' faces. The football coaches - Dews, Gibson, Rodriguez, Magee, Shafer, Hopson, Frey, etc. - should be coaching the players on the field.
Barwis should be cheering them on just like every other Joe Schmoe. If somebody had to push Barwis away, then that probably means Barwis was doing something he shouldn't have been.
November 22nd, 2008 at 5:21 PM ^
but either way its embarrassing. And concerning. You wonder if it is the case if a legitimately mad player (Griese guessed something about substitution) or someone way out of line. Either is disturbing.
November 22nd, 2008 at 5:37 PM ^
I think this kind of thing happens more often than fans realize. It just doesn't always get caught on film.
November 22nd, 2008 at 4:41 PM ^
It looked like Chris Singletary, but I don't know if he's still around as a grad assistant or not.
November 22nd, 2008 at 4:51 PM ^
Singletary is the recruiting coordinator.
November 22nd, 2008 at 4:58 PM ^
Tony Dews? At least, that's who I thought it was. I'm not sure now. Either way, that wasn't a pretty scene. I was more embarrassed by that than anything I saw on the field today.
I felt the same way about Barwis as you did, Magnus.
November 22nd, 2008 at 5:01 PM ^
It would be nice if the media used a little discretion in instances like that. Ya know, its tense out there, tempers flare, the media needs to respect these guys a little more.
If you, Jay, felt embarrassed by it, it must have looked bad. I missed it.
November 22nd, 2008 at 5:01 PM ^
Singletary is always on the sideline, but he wasn't directly involved in that incident. Stewart got his facemask pulled by what looked to be another member of the strength and conditioning staff. I have no clue why they (S&C) were all bunched up, along with the football coaches and in the middle of substitutions. Thompson came off the field during the TO, and appeared to be going directly at Barwis (and vice versa). RR, surprisingly, did not really tell anybody to back down. I'm not saying whether it is good or bad, it was just a very interesting dynamic. My opinion...know your role!
November 22nd, 2008 at 5:16 PM ^
no one here knows what barwis or anyone else's game day roles are.... and I highly doubt that barwis doesn't have some kind of game day responsibilities.
unless you know everyone's role on the sidelines, saying something is or isn't someone's place is purely speculation.
November 22nd, 2008 at 5:30 PM ^
I'm on the complete opposite side - I highly doubt Barwis DOES have some kind of game day responsibility. He doesn't have a headset. He doesn't have a clipboard. He's usually just standing in the background, not saying anything. When players get injured, he's not the one to greet them when they come to the sideline - that's handled by the athletic trainers.
My viewpoint is complete speculation. I will acknowledge that.
But it's also complete speculation that Tony Gibson isn't using his headset to take fast food orders for Taco Bell down the road.
Let me put it this way: I'm a high school football coach. If any of my training staff (we don't have S&C coaches) tried to make a football coaching comment/decision/whatever, I would kindly ask them to keep their opinions to themselves. That's why there are football coaches.
November 22nd, 2008 at 5:34 PM ^
that it is complete speculation. But having a headset or not doesn't mean you do or don't have a role.
If there was a real issue, I am sure it will come up. And (as you said you would do the same) I am sure the coaches, or RR would fix it if they did in fact do something out of line.
Rabblerousing about it isn't going to do any good in the meantime.
November 22nd, 2008 at 5:48 PM ^
I can't find it now, but I recall reading that Barwis was responsible for keeping everyone on the sidelines, given the new sideline rules this year. It doesn't explain the altercation, but Barwis does have some game day responsibility if my recollection is correct.
November 22nd, 2008 at 5:32 PM ^
I agree. But if a number of your S&C staff are heavily involved in defensive calls or substitutions, that is a little odd to me. If you are sideline hype man...fine. But when it crossed over into spats with players and grabbing facemasks...
November 22nd, 2008 at 5:37 PM ^
for them to have a job like making sure subs are in or out? they have been in a staff for years now (in barwis case) I would think he knows more and has game day jobs other than just S&C by now...
November 22nd, 2008 at 5:43 PM ^
Your next comment should just say, "I love Barwis so much, he could do no wrong." If you think Shafer consults Barwis about his defense and assigns him and his staff gameday roles, this discussion is moot. Trust me, other than S&C, he is more than likely just a glorified hype man. He may get a little more leeway because of his status and relationship with RR, but I just don't think it goes beyond that.
November 22nd, 2008 at 5:50 PM ^
I never said shafer consults barwis on anything. There is no reason not to believe he doesn't have a sideline job though. Making sure the correct guys are in on subs is an easy enough job for anyone, and yet an important one. If he is a hype man, this would be logical as he could also hype up the ingoing unit. And if someone wasn't in on time, or weren't where they were supposed to be, I would imagine he would get in their face.
Either way, you are just speculating, as am I. Pointless.
Someone got in stewarts and thompsons face. Get over it. They aren't little babies, they can handle it.
November 22nd, 2008 at 5:57 PM ^
Point taken. The argument is not that big a deal. My only concern was due to the incident, our substitution got fucked up and it cost us a TO. If certain people are stepping outside of their roles, it needs to be corrected. What happened to the Barwis is my god quote?
November 22nd, 2008 at 6:04 PM ^
must have me confused with someone, i don't post often
if someone was out of line, rr i am sure will address it
November 22nd, 2008 at 6:03 PM ^
This is somewhat off topic, so I'm not arguing with you.
But I wouldn't want the job of making sure the right packages/substitutions are in the game. It seems to me that would be a very confusing job for one person. Not only would you have to know every package and be right on the ball, but you would also have to be aware of injuries and who knows what plays. I mean, let's say you have a 4-2-5 package with Williams as the nickel guy but he gets hurt, who goes in for him? Another corner or would you just sub in a linebacker?
Anyway, like I said, that isn't relevant. But with complex defenses and packages, I bet it's somewhat strenuous to make sure the right people are always on the field.
November 22nd, 2008 at 6:06 PM ^
That's what position coaches are for. You know your unit. You know your injury situation. You get the defensive call, and you make sure you have the right personnel for your unit. Very rare for one individual to be responsible for all 11 bodies, especially at high college level and multiple subs.
November 22nd, 2008 at 5:16 PM ^
i was not happy to see the pre-game argument. the day of the osu game, part of the team is at each other's throats? i agree with jay, that was much more embarrassing than anything we did on the field today
November 22nd, 2008 at 5:26 PM ^
CONER!
Oh, wait, this isn't a game thread poll?
November 22nd, 2008 at 8:06 PM ^
I was wondering that myself. Then I thought, "fuck it, Stewart's gone anyways".
November 22nd, 2008 at 8:46 PM ^
I'd guess that was what was going through Stewart's mind as well.
November 22nd, 2008 at 10:15 PM ^
yeah that did not look good at all...... Does anyone know the story of what was actually going on? What the argument was about?
November 23rd, 2008 at 3:25 PM ^
Good rundown, with pictures, here: http://spawnofmzone.blogspot.com/2008/11/chaos-on-sidelines.html
Can anyone figure out who the "Dude" is? (insert Lebowski reference here)
November 23rd, 2008 at 7:19 PM ^
seems like everything is the "Dude's" fault, but anyone know who John Thompson is screaming at after the timeout?
November 23rd, 2008 at 5:19 PM ^
The "dude" = chris allen...Director of Skill Development / Associate Director of Strength and Conditioning