StephenRKass

September 29th, 2021 at 5:06 PM ^

Wonderful gesture from the UCLA team. Great to see them do this.

Our entire society could do with a lot more civility, kindness, and graciousness. We need less cynicism, rudeness, sarcasm, and snark.

I generally love mgoblog, and come here more than any other blog. However, the bleakness and meanness and sarcasm and negativity, sometimes from proprietors and moderators, is discouraging. I realize different people have different tastes. But I can do without so many putdowns and cutting comments. (And I realize that my post practically is an invitation for a number of regular bloggers to come up with snark and sarcasm in response.)

p.s. This includes comments made about other teams and coaches. I fiercely want to see the team beat OSU. But I long for the days when Bo and Woody respected each other, and were friends.

rob f

September 29th, 2021 at 5:56 PM ^

sometimes from...and moderators...

If I've ever offended with meanness and negativity, I apologize---that has never been my intent and I've never EVER seen it from LSA either. Between the two of us, I'd estimate that's 90% of the moderating on the board; on home football Saturdays, it's almost 100% LSA (bless his heart!) while I perform my fan duties in section 36 and while tailgating.

Yes, I can be and will be direct towards an isolated individual on the rare occasion that it is absolutely necessary, but I assure you it's only at last resort. 

My snark, OTOH, still frequently shows up because I much prefer to participate first and foremost as an MGoBoard member, only putting on my "mom" cape when circumstances force me to take on that role.

StephenRKass

September 29th, 2021 at 6:38 PM ^

Well spoken. FTR, I don't keep score, so I can't comment intelligently about what you have or have not said/written. I don't have a "blacklist" of people who I automatically won't read. And I think pretty much all of us can be sharp tongued when we're provoked enough.

IIRC, most of my observations have to do with the angst almost all of us feel about Michigan and their performance on the field. Someone else commented on how the "BPONE," which I believe originated here at Mgoblog, sometimes goes down a black pit of despair.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBaDcOBoHFk

I vaguely recall, maybe inaccurately, that there were some things written near the end of Ace's tenure at Mgoblog that . . . weren't my cup of tea.

Wolverheel

September 29th, 2021 at 7:36 PM ^

I agree so much here. We as a fanbase and this site in particular trash OSU so much for the borderline deranged level of importance they lay on college football, something almost entirely meaningless big picture. Then you look at how so many on here react to Michigan football and it's like... Sure, we're probably not as bad or obvious as them, but we do the exact same thing in placing way too much importance on it. I'll give everyone a day of grace, but there is absolutely no reason for football to dictate your mood once you wake up Sunday morning. There's no reason to be assholes to people on here who just casually enjoy rooting for Michigan football and didn't ask to be bombarded with 50 reasons why everything sucks and Michigan is done when they post some innocent topic on the board with an ounce of optimism. There's no reason to lash out in comments because someone has a different opinion on something, directly related to UM football or otherwise. This isn't everyone here, there are some amazing folks, but I feel strongly that it's the pervasive tone of the board. 

I might face some backlash on this part, but the last few points bring up one of my main complaints about behavior here in that it's just an unwelcoming environment. People who post double comments, didn't refresh in time for a new post and make another thinking it's the first, make a topic that the board doesn't view as completely necessary, etc. just get railed in the comments. So what, some naive dude has a game reaction that should probably go in the snowflake threads. Let the mods do their jobs. What does calling them a dumbass do? How does it add to the forum? You think an opinion posted is bad? If your response is some snarky putdown rather than a true response intending to address the points and promote conversation then what is the point? Why even bother? I just wish the cynicism and pessimism, regardless of whether its justified, would stop manifesting itself this way. I look forward to every fall Saturday because regardless of the result, I get to spend time with my family doing something we enjoy together and that means infinitely more to me than a football result. While that exact motivation won't be there for everyone, just try to enjoy football for what it is. I look at UMHoops, an admittedly smaller community, and am just in awe of how much higher the substance ratio of the discussion is there. Some of that comes with success in the basketball program, but even in rough times it's almost always a generally respectful environment where people can drop arguments if the discussion is going nowhere positive and there aren't a million unwritten forum rules that will get you 100 people calling you a moron. I'd just be so damn happy if more people here could either respond respectfully or ignore/downvote/move on if they can't do that to a particular comment.

 

Anyways. Awesome thing for UCLA to do in the wake of tragedy. College football should unite us more often. 

Kevin13

September 29th, 2021 at 9:47 PM ^

I agree that some of the unwritten rules around here are just stupid and god forbid you don’t know about one and do something wrong in a post. Every posting police comes out of the woodworking to down vote you and insult you. A simple comment of hey next time do this in your post is all that’s warranted and then move on to intelligent conversation.

I don’t really pay attention to individual posters just try to read conversations in things that interest me and occasionally try to add something useful and enjoy posters who do the same and can post civilly and add interesting comments 

StephenRKass

September 30th, 2021 at 12:18 AM ^

So well said. I have a kind of internal filter, and will just move on from a rant or from someone wanting to fire the coaches. And I generally don't waste time reading a thread where someone who doesn't post regularly puts up something that was put up the day before.

It's just a game. Enjoy the game, root for Michigan, but get a life, and don't lose your mind when Michigan doesn't do what you want them to do.

DennisFranklinDaMan

September 29th, 2021 at 11:30 PM ^

The problem is not specific to this site. Comment sections just seem to draw ad hominem attacks, and it's ... it's tiring, honestly. Someone says, "I don't mind the second half offense against Rutgers, I'm just happy we won" or someone says, "I'm glad we won, but the second half was deeply worrying," and either way, the responses call the posters idiots, or mock them, or suggest they don't understand the game. And before you know it, the entire comment section is people yelling at each other.

Why it's not possible to say, "gee, that person has a different opinion than I do -- let me try to explain why I see it differently," here or on any other comment section, I find almost tragic, and representative of a similar schism across our country.

Damn it would be nice to hear, "I disagree, but I can certainly understand why you feel that way." 

StephenRKass

September 30th, 2021 at 12:21 AM ^

I fully agree. But it is a product of social media, including blogs. And a product of anonymity. 40 years ago, you could go out for a couple pitchers of beer with fellow Michigan fans and complain. But when you're talking face to face, you almost NEVER are as rude and uncivil as happens behind the cloak of anonymity.