https://www.businessinsider.com/the-shameful-list-of-soccer-racist-incidents-in-2019-2019-12
Where have you been? Racism has been rampant in European soccer for years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_association_football
Yeah. I'm sure there are other experiences, but anecdotally in my own experience and observations, continental Europe is the most racist place I've personally seen, by a long shot. Maybe tied with academic America.
So, yeah. Tons of racism in soccer/football, including/especially European. Better than it used to be though, and I'd honestly say better than in many other sectors of life.
Want to see racism, drive down south and take a look at all the confederate monuments that are in public squares and state capitals.
but please, explain to us how Academia in America is racist.
Slave auction parties at fraternities take place in houses affiliated with college campuses.
QED
I'm El Jeffe. I took one story I read once about a fraternity and generalize it to all of academia from the top to bottom. And all just to make a lame fucking point on sports blog. As your jefe would say, Low IQ.
Bro do you even sarcasm?
Here is my personal experience opinion of who is most racist:
- USA Proud Boys, actual Nazis, and white power people
- The self deputized Border crosser militants and the now pardoned Sheriff Joe A types
- European (particularly slavic countries, serie A, and Russia) Soccer
- Silver Lake Michigan Confederate Flag Flying Militia Guys or other Northerners supporting the Confederate flags and monuments
- White people who experience black and LatinX people only through Fox news, OAN and QAnon (see bullet above)
- The socio economically challenged white folks as well as the political opportunists ad frat boys in the Deep South
- Your/my racist uncle.
It's not a contest though, all racists matter and F em all.
P.S. I am from Michigan and coached HS for a spell down south in the 90s. I still hold the racism "up north" was more insidious as when I grew up the racism was closeted ("courtesy" racism when black folk are out of the room) and hard to see but tied to more power, access and consequence. Comparatively, down South, you kind of knew who is racist and who isn't, and there is a sad acceptance but technical racists (at least the non-hard core types) would mix socially with black folks all the time and speak candidly, as most were in the same socio economic boat where I was at. Neither was great, but I preferred the candor. Unfortunately, now it seems parts of Michigan and the North are doing their part to bring back the 1950s style of overt racism of the South or like that has been resident in various forms of Euro Nationalism for a while now. It all sucks. Thought we were better than that.
Without sports perhaps we are falling apart further?
Academic America? There is plenty of racism in academia not but I’ve never seen a provost throw a banana at a black person like European soccer fans do
This is true. On the other hand, I've never seen a European football club institute racial quotas to keep its roster and fan base at, say, a maximum of 20% for disfavored races and religions like Harvard does. Although to be honest it wouldn't surprise me that much if a football club tried - maybe there is one?
That is on the backs of qualified Asian students not getting in Harvard (see Lawsuit). Please don't speak for us. Many white students are getting in to Harvard just because of their parents and sports with primarily white participation, with lower test/grade scores than Asians. Let's talk about affirmative action when those practices end.
What are you trying to say? I'm not speaking for anyone except me. I'm accusing Harvard of being racist because they're racist: they make decisions based on a person's race.
It sounds like you think I'm in favor of white people getting into Harvard over Asian people, but that is the opposite of what I said. Harvard is keeping Asians out and letting whites in; that's bad.
Yes, most of their race based decisions are to benefit the whites, so I get a little annoyed when white people complain about how affirmative action is screwing them. Many of these very selective schools are now getting rid of SAT scores as requirements because it makes their racist process too obvious. They keep moving the goal post when white enrollment numbers go down. I will join you if complain about that, but you weren't.
Let's talk about the established affirmative action that has been used over hundred years to protect the whites from minorities before complaining about the smaller problem of affirmative action that benefit very small number of black and Hispanic students which was what you were doing.
Racism is racism man. The fact that you can't say "all racism is bad" says a lot about you.
Why don't you just say what you mean? You clearly have some thoughts on "disfavored races" that you want to get off your chest.
They just wanted to regurgitate a Drudge Report talking point regardless of accuracy or relevancy.
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Yeah, this is one of the least surprising things ever. It is one of the reminders that, despite issues this country definitely has, it is one of, if not the, least racist countries on the planet.
Oh boy, now you've done it. They will be coming out of the woodwork shortly....
The goal shouldn't be "less racist than them" it should be "not racist."
Strained a muscle in my neck transitioning too rapidly from gently nodding along at the first sentence to vigorous head shaking at the second sentence. Now my neck hurts and I have a headache. You'll be hearing from my lawyer.
You're going to get negged into oblivion for that one. I'd rephrase it to say a lot of Americans, even educated ones, lack perspective to evaluate certain things as they relate to the world because they haven't actually lived or spent extended time visiting other regions of the world. You want to complain about income and wealth inequality? Go look at vast portions of the middle east where they basically still have slave labor from India/Pakistan. It doesn't make wealth inequality trends in the US okay or good, but knowing what goes on in the rest of the world puts it in better perspective.
Last election cycle (and I guess maybe this one too?), certain candidates were touting the social democracies in Scandinavia as a model we could implement in the US. This ignores of course the fact that the region is made up of largely single culture, heavily single race countries that literally nobody calls when they are having problems - basically the opposite of the US.
I don't know if your original statement is correct, but I have found in my world travels that the US is one of the places where you can definitely ruin your life amazingly quickly by saying or doing something racist publicly. The thought police backlash, whether it is right or not, is quite severe.
"but I have found in my world travels that the US is one of the places where you can definitely ruin your life amazingly quickly by saying or doing something racist publicly."
When did becoming president be considered ruining one's life?!
Ok I'll show myself out....
...whoops door's back that way.
One trip to Colon, Panama in 1987 taught me no one in the US had any freaking idea what poverty actually meant.
I've been to a lot of places over the last 30+ years and I say the same thing to every one of them. Nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there.
Of course perspective matters. As do standards. I don't remember American exceptionalism being defined on relativity to Pakistan or India. Seems as a 1st world country it would make sense to compare against other 1st world countries, unless we're just chalking it up to not wanting to hold ourselves to a 1st world standard.
Your second point doesn't communicate how Scandinavian or European politics is not appropriate for America. You said because no one "calls" them, but not actually how medicare-for-all or a more progressive tax system can't work in a diverse country. And you won't have an answer for that on the basis of basic logic. Feel free to try though.
The fact that you use "thought police" with respect to public racism is confusing. Thoughts are not public. Perhaps you meant "public racism police."
Racism in European soccer? YA DON'T SAY!
Europe is by far way way more racist than the USA in a lot of ways. I remember a game a few years ago in Russia where man city played against a Russian side in champions league. Yaya toure was verbally abused, bananas were thrown on the pitch, and an overall disgusting sight. Hell, go look up the Black Pete’s in the Netherlands. That Christmas tradition is over the top racism. Thankfully we don’t see that type of over the top racism here. People complaining about commentators displaying “racism” is kind of silly to me. I mean the racism works both ways. You rarely hear about a black players intelligence but you also rarely hear about a white guys athleticism. It works both ways. Take Larry Bird, look at how blatantly racist the Pistons players talked about him, but Bird beat their asses time and time again and he was playing chess while they were playing checkers. It works both ways.
Racism doesn't work both ways, don't even...this is a country where the vast majority of power belongs to white people and has an economy, political structure, etc. etc.with built in racist ways into the systems. A black guy/team calling Larry Bird a honkey is not very high on the spectrum of "racism in America".
Give me a break with that bs take. I’m hispanic, and I played basketball in Indianapolis through grade school to high school to college and to say that only white people can be racist is a fucking joke. You must be white to say something that inherently dumb. I was verbally abused constantly for nothing other than the color of my skin. I was assumed to be white, even though I am hispanic, and I played in an inner city league where I was one of a few that wasn’t black. I was 12-14 during this time and constantly called things that if a white person said to a black person, they’d be canceled quicker than a hiccup in today’s world. Bigotry and racism shouldn’t be tolerated period. I took what I went through and it made my skin thick, but the memories don’t fade away. At the end of the day, I just tossed it off as ignorance on their part and I didn’t have any racial bias to them even though what I went through was pretty awful. What the pistons players like isiah Thomas and Dennis Rodman said about Bird was racist, plain and simple, but Bird didn’t need to respond by barking back, he just beat their bitch asses on the court. Call it racism, call it bigotry, who gives a shit, you don’t get a pass because because you’re black, it doesn’t excuse this type of shit.
Amen, my friend. I'm married to a Hispanic immigrant with lighter colored skin, which is just a function of what God gave her. Her mother and brother have standard dark Latino skin. When she first got to this country, she faced some anti-hispanic shit, but felt she wasn't allowed to speak up, because her skin was too light.
What excuses Rodman is that he was right. He correctly identified that white people, the majority of fans, coaches, media and GMs preferred Bird because he was white. The whites made him apologize, but he was right.
Wait a minute, you were accused of being "white" on a basketball court, and you are equating that to "racism", but you are in fact Hispanic and they weren't going after you because of that? I don't get it. You felt like people were saying you sucked because you were light skinned? Did you ever get singled out and beaten by the police for looking at them wrong? Paid less by an employer? Get sentenced longer for the same crime a black man might have committed? Put a noose in your garage based on your whiteness? Did the President of the US ever call you an animal for standing up for civil rights? When said by a person of another another skin color, rou really think being called a "honkey" or "white boy" on a basketball court (I was called that and thought it was funny and harmless even when dude talking smack was saying it with venom), has the same meaning and is as bad as a being called an N word or a S word?
I don't know man...seems like there is super technical dictionary "r"acism and actual RACISM to me. Larry Bird being called a honky versus Larry Bird wrongfully being wrongfully accused of raping a girl based on his skin color and being lynched for it are two different things. You realize we have had like 4 actual lynchings in our country in the last couple of months, right?
Take Larry Bird, look at how blatantly racist the Pistons players talked about him, but Bird beat their asses time and time again and he was playing chess while they were playing checkers.
For context, Rodman said Bird was overrated because he was white (and Isiah stuck up for him after, whether or not he believed it) right after the Pistons lost to the Celtics in a tight Game 7 on the road (117-114). Adrian Dantley and Vinnie Johnson had collided and knocked themselves out during the game.
Throw in the fact that the Pistons had let Game 5 slip away on Isiah's bad pass in the final seconds ("Now there's a steal by Bird!") and really, you can say that they were the better team and let the Celtics off the hook. Hence Rodman's frustration. Not that it justified his comments, but he wasn't saying it to talk trash, he was clearly upset over the outcome and the media caught him right then.
For the record, Bird and the Celtics never again beat the Pistons in a playoff series after that.
Racism in America is bad. Racism in Europe is a completely different level of bad.
here's some lunch bucket guys. love the grit...
What's the European football version of a gym rat? A pitch possum?
Yeah, people have noted the "pace and power" thing being used for black players a ton for years now, I guess someone finally quantified just how much.