Rosenberg on Dantonio's second chance policy: "No sir, I don't like it."

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The article is here, in convenient one page format. An excerpt is below; if this is still too long, feel free to call me an idiot and tell me to fix it.
This is a comparison that a lot of coaches like to make -- sometimes earnestly, sometimes defensively. They compare their team to a family. But there are fundamental differences between a college football team and a family. I mean, if my son did what Glenn Winston or Roderick Jenrette did, I would be heartbroken, but I would not kick him out of my family. (Of course, the little dude has to learn to walk before he can commit a crime.) My family is mine. Dantonio's team belongs to Michigan State University. And he has two problems here that he needs to address. One is that second-chance policy. He doesn't have to get rid of it, but he absolutely should tighten it. When players commit violent or otherwise serious crimes, Dantonio should err on the side of dismissing the players. He still can be their father figure, their friend, their mentor or whatever else he wants to be. But sometimes a first offense is serious enough to warrant dismissal. This would help address the second problem: the culture of the team. Dantonio said that 20 of his 21 seniors were on pace to graduate this spring (with the 21st planning to come back for a fifth year), and that is great. But the fact is that 13 of his players thought it was OK to go to a dorm potluck to confront somebody in an ongoing feud with a fraternity.

mgoblahhh

December 19th, 2009 at 5:22 AM ^

"if my son did what Glenn Winston or Roderick Jenrette did, I would be heartbroken, but I would not kick him out of my family. (Of course, the little dude has to learn to walk before he can commit a crime.)" Does this make any sense? This whole article is all over the place. One sentence he is criticizing the program the next he is praising the program. How does Rosenberg keep his job ... maybe the Free Press has a second chance policy

Shaqsquatch

December 19th, 2009 at 5:24 AM ^

I've slowly realized that the reason I hate Dantonio so much isn't his massive inferiority complex, it's that every time he speaks he attempts to make something that could be put on a motivational poster or used in a movie, and comes off sounding incredibly hokey.

Lordfoul

December 19th, 2009 at 7:58 AM ^

No fan of Rosenberg. Even when he takes a hard stance towards Sparty and Dantonio, he ends up pulling all of his punches. Aside from that, is there any trouble copy and pasting entire articles could cause this blog? I know there was a link, but it seems like some kind of copyright infringement. I am no expert.

Hoken's Heroes

December 19th, 2009 at 8:12 AM ^

Dantonio shouldn't punish these kids. Who are we to judge them, right? Besides, they are our little sisters. Can never judge our lil sister cuz, well, it's our lil sister! *If I was a reporter at the presser, I'd be chucking my big heavy sharp edged rocks at Dantonio! He's an absolute douche bag for what he's allowed his players to do and his response.

TrppWlbrnID

December 19th, 2009 at 9:38 AM ^

Mark is right, a father would allow second chances. what would your older brother do, though? most likely he would grab your wrists and make you punch yourself, the whole time saying "why are you hitting yourself? why are you hitting yourself?" i hope 2010 is the year UM asks little brother "why are you hitting yourself?"

4godkingandwol…

December 19th, 2009 at 10:01 AM ^

"Take, for example, Rich Rodriguez's dismissal of Justin Feagin. Feagin had no prior disciplinary issues while at University of Michigan, yet Rodriguez rightly dismissed him from the program." That part was really good... wait, what? Oh I guess I made that part up.

KBLOW

December 19th, 2009 at 11:58 AM ^

LOL @ the doublespeak in "confront somebody in an ongoing feud with a fraternity." I like how in an effort to really pull his punches that in one sentence Rosenberg manages to simultaneously put equal blame on the people who were assaulted ("ongoing feud") and negate the entire violent intent of incident ("confront somebody").

Undefeated dre…

December 19th, 2009 at 12:17 PM ^

Wow, Rosenberg took Dantonio to the woodshed! That was some stern stuff! I can't wait for Rosenberg's column where he says that Monica Conyers should have given a "second look" to taking money from Synagro.

Tater

December 19th, 2009 at 2:47 PM ^

Basically, when Rosenpuke said Dantonio should "tighten up" his policy on second chances, he was referring to exactly how RR decides his second chances, even if he didn't say it. Rosenpuke must not have read his draft over too well, or he wouldn't have turned it in like that.

OregonWolverine

December 19th, 2009 at 7:20 PM ^

As has been so well documented here, this weird dual standard that interprets events occurring in Dantonio's program in the best possible light, and vice versa for Rodriguez's, has long since entered the realm of self-parody. But why? What's going on behind that elfin, bespectacled visage? Here's one theory: To oversimplify, the anti-RR movement seems to have two factions. The first doesn't like RR because he's losing. The second just doesn't like RR, period. This faction seems to correlate strongly with the minority of alumni who take that "Harvard Of The Midwest Alumni" thing a little too seriously. From the perspective of the HOTMA crowd, here's this guy who grows up as "poor white trash" in (shudder) West Virginia, and rises a little too far, too fast, based on nothing more than brains, hustle, and heart-on-the-sleeve street charm. He's still 50% enthusiastic yahoo. Worse, he takes a whole gaggle of fat, profane, sloppy-looking assistants with him. Then, he gets in a public spat with sleazy former compatriots, and doesn't get the rule about Too Much Information to the press. It all made the HOTMA skin just crawl. Rodriguez, to further prove his unsuitability, ignored the traditional round of homage to the self-important coaches of the traditional recruiting feeder network, and instead went running around Florida in search of dreadlocked kids from dirt-poor, dead-end backwater towns. Kids that never could have gotten into the Harvard of anywhere, except they can run 4.25 in the fake 40. Kids whose origins and accents and very appearance highlight the pretensions and contradictions of college athletics, especially at a place like Michigan. The contrast with the Carr regime was stark. The Carr guys were all well-groomed and at least moderately handsome. They spoke few sentences, mostly grammatically correct and in flat Midwestern accent. The head guy knew 50 ways to tell impertinent reporters to f--k off without ever using the actual words. They never let enthusiasm get in the way of projecting the mandatory image of Seriousness. They recruited kids from the good-old-boys network of Midwest coaches - kids who only needed a wash, wax, and tuxedo job to look like future captains of industry, and weren't allowed to open their mouths much, lest they spoil the illusion. And they ran I-formation, pro-style offense and 4-3 defense, as carried down from the mount by Moses. If those guys had unseemly motivations or ambitions, they were loath to admit it to themselves, much less show it to the public. For the HOTMA crowd, the Carr regime was just fine, although perhaps in need of an injection of neurons from Pete Carroll's football brain. And here's the thing: if you liked Carr, you almost certainly like Dantonio too. Stern, serious, religious, appropriately guarded, a man of few carefully calculated words, "cares about his players", plays sound fundamental football. On the other hand, if you like Rodriguez's informality, enthusiasm, and football creativity, and you get chills reading the feel-good stories about those Pahokee kids, then you probably find Dantonio boring, uptight, sanctimonious, and a little hypocritical. As I do. My guess is: Rosenberg is a HOTMA. He might not know it, might not want to admit it even to himself, but he is. He can't help himself, and he's too much of a star for his editors to help him, either. The only good news is: he's a dying breed.

clarkiefromcanada

December 20th, 2009 at 1:42 AM ^

The HOTMA analysis is great and sort of compelling but I struggle a lot with several points...I liked Lloyd Carr, I respect him as a coach (MNC 97 I recall) but moreso as a person. Lloyd Carr was and is an excellent representative of the University of Michigan. I can tell you, I do not like Mark Dantonio and to imply the two are somehow similar, aside from coaching football, is mostly ridiculous. Unquestionably, Lloyd Carr appeared "stern, serious, religious, appropriately guarded, a man of few carefully calculated words,...[who]... "cares about his players",...[and]...plays sound fundamental football. However, the superficial appearance belied a man who would never have tolerated the sort of inappropriate actions of those players at MSU. That Carr and Dantonio appear superficially similar is one thing but anyone who has followed Lloyd Carr's career would understand what his actions would have been following that sort of action. By implication, you seem to be linking Carr/Dantonio as "boring, uptight, sanctimonious and a little hypocritical" and I think that's plainly wrong on Carr's end. As for Rodriguez, I think he deserves his chance to demonstrate that his system works and he should be given time (enough to get his own Seniors) to achieve that end. Many of us donate to the program and while there are some "HOTMA" types out there I suspect the vast majority who influence such decisions as hiring/firing look at the Raiders philosophy of "Just Win Baby".

OregonWolverine

December 20th, 2009 at 12:03 PM ^

Yes, of course a Glenn Winston would not have gotten a second chance with Carr. And yes, Carr was many things besides those words I used, but I did often wish he would just loosen up, on multiple levels. I'm not saying the two coaches run their teams exactly the same way. I'm trying, perhaps not well, to make a bit different point. There was this idea that the Michigan football program under Carr and predecessors was somehow different from other programs, and not just because they set the standard for most predictable game plans. The idea was that the Michigan program had more integrity, more dignity, more Harvardness, than other programs, and Carr personified that idea. I'm saying that people who were attached to that idea, including perhaps Rosenberg, might think that Dantonio is a similar kind of person, who at least superficially seems to want a similar kind of program at MSU. That they're probably delusional doesn't change the impact of that thinking on their opinions and writings.

Seth9

December 20th, 2009 at 2:34 AM ^

Although I'm probably nitpicking a little bit here, I found these three quotes to be somewhat incongruous. "When players commit violent or otherwise serious crimes, Dantonio should err on the side of dismissing the players." "The actual violence might turn out to be limited. (All the charges so far have been misdemeanors, and none for aggravated assault, which can be proven when victims need medical attention.) "One of those guys is Mark Dantonio. He could have kicked Winston and Jenrette off the team when he had a chance. He didn't, and while I understood the Winston decision in a vacuum, he needs to give his second-chance policy a second look." Rosenberg says that players should be kicked off the team for committing violent crimes. He then implies that a violent crime that a player should be kicked off of the team for is aggravated assault. He concludes by empathizing with Dantonio's decision in the Winston case, claiming that if the case were an isolated incident, it was acceptable to leave Winston on the team, despite the fact that Winston was convicted on multiple counts of aggravated assault... I think that Rosenberg is better at punching dolphins than writing sports columns.