Recruiting Pet Peeve
Feel free to chime in with your own pet peeves, but on a slow day I had to get this off my chest. The C. Pace commit summoned the quick hit analysis from everyone on the young man and just like every other single recruit the following sentence phrase was uttered all over the web. "Needs to fill out and get stronger." Well uh Duh!! Every lineman needs to get stronger. I'm pretty sure Barwis has never looked at a recruit and said damn son you are too strong let's just work on cardio. I have to say my top recruiting worthless mumbo jumbo analysis are:
1. A lineman that needs to "get stronger"-95% redshirt for a reason.
2. A lineman that needs to work on "staying lower"-Everyone wants their lineman lower and most have just overpowered their opponents their whole life.
3. A cornerback who has to work on their "technique".
A QB needs to work on his footwork, RB's need to run lower, Wr's need to work on their route running blah blah blah. Tell me something I don't know or note that he is the rare exception and is strong enough to start right away, they could save themselves 500 words of drivel.
AT the university of michigan in ann arbor we should only accept recruits who are perfect in each and every way. How else are we going to win consecutive NC's, Heismans and Fulmer Cups?
I blame Bill Martin and the physical laws of the universe.
Stupid Flanders.
potato salad.
about the potato salad.
recipes?
[None with bananas, please]
TATER!
I try to stay away from analysis like this for the exact reasons that you stated. All high school players need to get stronger, improve their technique, etc. However, I try to list strengths and weaknesses. If a kid is already a good knee bender, then I'll try to say that; at the same time, if he's not, then that needs to improve.
That being said, I think it's easier for people to say "he needs to get stronger" because then you don't have to pinpoint more precise flaws. That is another reason I pay no attention to GBMW's "scouting reports" on each potential recruit, because they make approximately two comments and one is always about getting stronger.
....98% of the time the other comment is about pad level.
I have never heard of this recruit. Where is he from? What position does he play? What kind of parent names their son Pet?!!?!
riding a damn bull?
Devin Gardner comes to mind.
...you can't mention Gardner without critiquing his throwing mechanics. Not EVERY quarterback has to quit throwing sidearm.
I agree with you, Im tired of people mentioning it, thats what this topic is about. He said recruiting pet peeves, mine is that all the experts think he (Gardner) is great, and yet MANY people complain about his mechanics. NOT me, but MANY others...
The OP was saying (I think) that he's tired of reading stuff like "This offensive lineman needs to get stronger" because EVERY offensive lineman needs to get stronger.
Hearing/reading "Devin Gardner needs to improve his throwing motion" is not the same type of thing, because he clearly has a flaw that many other top-notch QBs don't. If that's a pet peeve of yours, then you're just SOL.
Sorry if I misinterpreted.
I have no problem with saying..."Gardner is a tremendous physical prospect, but his mechanics are so awkward that there is some worry about his development at the next level". His mechanics are so bad they are an outlier, something worth mentioning, not some general BS like you would hear with a review on Tate. Obviously Tate could use help in his mechanics just like Tom Brady and Peyton Manning continue to work on their mechanics, but his motion is generic like tons of other Qb's who you can just toss that line in on and it means nothing.
The point Im making is that Gardner may need a tweak or a complete overhaul, but that is no reason to keep harping on it. I think Rod smith will have something to say about all of this when Devin gets on campus.
So, in other words, when people give scouting reports on Devin Gardner, they should leave out the bad stuff (throwing motion) and just talk about the good stuff? Hmmm...
No, what im saying is that i get it that people have a problem with his "mechanics" I just dont need to hear about it every time his name gets brought up.
...he has one big negative, and you don't want to hear about it. I think we're saying the same thing.
my bad...
No problem. I thought maybe I was misunderstanding the post at first. Sometimes my sarcasm meter doesn't work and soforth and such and stuff...
I think he's just saying he doesn't need to be pounded on the head with it at every mention of Gardner. I kind of see where he's going with it, but since we read every article about Michigan recruits, we see get tired of reading that. A different person that knows less about Gardner probably doesn't notice this.
I pay attention to this stuff WAY too much...
Vince Young did fine at Texas with his sidearm, it just slowed him down in the NFL. I'm not comparing the two but if Gardner does fine with a sidearm, he's tall enough to keep it.
There's always room for improvement. We saw what happened with some of Steve Threet's throws when he dropped down - they sailed on him. It's an issue that needs to be address, and if it isn't, it's going to cause him problems sooner or later.
as long as it has quick release. This is why I didn't understand why people are harping on Colt Brennan's mechanics when his release is lightning quick?
If you throw sidearm and it's slow, then it needs work because DL is getting better at batting the ball down at LOS
what would you rather have them say? You want in-depth strengths and weaknesses based on video of them steamrolling 5'9" 170 lb future accountants? If you look at the analysis as it pertains to whether or not the player will redshirt, it makes total sense.
You appear to be reading the evaluations based on what they'll need to improve to be a starter.
Mike Martin-DT An elite prospect that is rare in that he may be able to play right away in the interior of a BCS conference defense. He is quick at the point of attack and his wrestling background gives him great leverage. His weighlifting numbers indicate he has the neccesary strength to compete right away.
I know that he needs to get quicker, stronger and his techinique needs to be refined.
Vincent Smith-RB Unbelievable quickness and great moves make him a great fit for the offense, but his top end speed is not elite. Runs much stronger inside than his size indicates.
I know at 5' 6" 160lbs he needs to get stronger and learn to read his blocks better blah blah blah
I know it is hard to leave a lot of that stuff out, I'm just saying it is so boiler plate it has become unneccesary. I say if you have nothing worthwhile to say say nothing.
I was just watching a great comedian Jim Jeffries and his take on the "No Smoking" sign was great. "You can't smoke inside anywhere anymore, everyone knows this why do I need to look at the sign everywhere I look?? There is no sign saying "don't molest little kids". We know it already.
....they've got to write something. Those subscriptions to Rivals and Scout can be canceled by the subscriber if they don't say anything about the guy at all. So, if they can't say anything, or don't know what to say, they still need to say something, so we get boilerplate stuff....
Devin Gardner was 8 feet tall so his sidearm throw was not criticized. People were too distracted because he was a half beast/half man.
The problem with the sidearm throwing motion is not just release point, but also accuracy.
Problems with sidearm throwing is not just RELEASE POINT, but ACCURACY too.
Fixed.
Are you sure you aren't sugar coating that? How do I know if you don't tell me at the end?????
Haha woops. I guess I've been spending too much time over there. Edit: Actually it's more likely I've been spending too much time reading imitation Eroc/bt on MGoBoard.
I agree with the criticism of the GBMV review of every prosepect that they need to get stronger and PAD LEVEL no SUGARCOAT, but mentioning Gardner's mechanics is legit and differentiates him from other top level qb prospects. It is THE flaw in his game, and thus can limit his upside.
I think what you really want is exactly what Brian does. He looks at measurables, upsides, ceilings, and potentially comparable players for a more comprehensive review which no SUGARCOAT, but als which gives a more in depth analysis.
I also did like Magnus' analysis of Pace at touchthebanner which was NO SUGARCOAT but very comprehensive.
Stop it with the SUGARCOAT crap.
My god, that is annoying.
It's not cute - it makes you look like an idiot
Nothing personal, of course.
Ford is a fraud of a president, no sugarcoat.
No sugarCOAT.today.
But if you look at the center of the thing, it looks like a sphincter. Shit, someone could use that as their avatar and go by the handle "SphincterFX"
no sugarcoat.
That looks a little loose to be my asshole, but who am I to judge the actions of others....
When was the last time (if ever) you saw yours?
Like you said, who am I to judge the action of others.
I don't know if you want the answer to that.
but I guess I was wondering if, among WolvinLA's other skills, he wasn't a contortionist.
That or a magician with mirrors.
Well, I haven't looked at it lately, but I've been in the neighborhood enough to know I can't slide in 2 fingers without touching the walls.
But who am I to judge the discussions of others?
kind of thread.
Why do you think I posted?
No dick jokes yet.
No sugarcoat.
Did you guys run him off or something?
All the sphincter talk reminded me of him, but I have no idea.
was a real asshole?