Recruiting: 247 Updated Rankings.
Today, 247 released their updated rankings on the class of 2020, making it notable because it's the first major re-rank of either of the 2 reliable recruiting services since Michigans mega recruiting weekend. All updates I post are strictly 247, not the composite. This update was a pretty serious mixed bag for Michigan. Some really good things, some disappointing drops. Not early enough to get concerned yet since a solid amount of targets havent camped extensively yet.
Michigan target RJ Moten from New Jersey is widely expect to commit to Michigan by the end of the week moved up 84 spots to 93 overall. I think he'll end up in the 60-75 range by the end of the cycle.
Braiden McGregor fell 79 spots to 107, which is a little confusing, but not surprising bc he hasn't gone to too many camps. I expect him in the top 50 again barring injuries.
Jordan Morant fell 68 spots to 115, which is a little more concerning considering he camped pretty extensively and never showed off that breakneck speed. I think the 100-125 range is pretty accurate for Morant.
AJ Henning fell one spot to 128. Basically stayed the same, Henning is a guy that could go up to the top 30-40 with a good season, but also a guy with enough history with injuries that could drop him in the 200's if he has some bad luck. I think he's in the top 50 in terms of pure talent.
Michigan target Maliq Carr (WR/TE) from Oak Park moved up 90 spots to 136. Haven't watched any of his film, no opinion on him.
Michigan Target and Stanford Commit Myles Hinton (OT, and Chris Hintons brother) dropped 134 spots to 191. Missed most of last year with an injury, not surprising. Will probably work back up into the top 100 if he's healthy.
Michigan Target Makari Paige (Safety) is at 203. Probably an accurate spot for him.
Roman Wilson is at 219, and I think he probably gets to the 150-175 range by the end of it all.
Kalel Mullings dropped 54 spots to 240, and Aaron Lewis is at 243. Both are pretty accurate, but I wouldn't be shocked to see Mullings drop to around 300.
Matt Hibner moved up 800(!!!!!!!) spots to 249. I think he's a top 150 guy, he's a bonafide 4 star on 247 now. Major Win for Harbaugh getting him so under the radar. Shoutout to Maizen for ordering his Hibner jersey today.
Reece Atteberry fell 80 spots to the mid 300's, and 247 is still really low on Andre Seldon and Blake Corum imo. No other major moves, but this class is looking pretty deep, probably in the 8-11 range when it's all said and done.
I wouldn’t call any of those drops all that concerning.
EDIT: And I had only heard brief chatter on Twitter, but is Hinton looking around now?
EDIT pt. DUEX: Solid Maizen burn.
I think it is more "If I don't get into Stanford I need to have a backup plan (i.e., Michigan)".
You know, I don't really have a problem with that line of thought.
that was my plan coming out of high school, but it was more like "if i don't want to fill out quarterly application updates and essays to stanford, i need to have a backup plan i.e. michigan"
For 80% of the MBA program in the 90s, the #1 reason for going to Michigan was that they didn't get into Harvard.
Back in 2000, the University of Michigan Business School´s Full-Time MBA Program was actually ranked higher than Harvard´s. That was B Joseph White´s last year as the UMBS´s Dean, as he became Michigan´s interim president. They coincidentally brought in a guy from Harvard to replace him, I can't even remember his name, IMO a a significant downgrade. By the time I graduated in 2002, the school had droped around 8 spots in rankings.
it's still a very similar situation today
McGregor's definitely not. I would say I'm a little concerned with Morant, not with the ranking, but just because his attitude, speed, and footwork in coverage remind me a ton of a linebacker, not a safety. And I Hinton picked up a few balls awhile back, think he's definitely a strong possibility.
What do you mean by attitude?
Dude comes up and lays the hammer. Loves tackling, loves smashing dudes. Not a bad thing, but when you're a little bit slower, and don't have as refined footwork, it makes you just a tad more susceptible to getting caught in play action.
I don't understand how Morant can even be considered for S here. Just not fast enough and already north of 210 with a full year of HS left. LB all the way.
Really like Paiges S film, hope we get him.
Starting to agree with you. Think if he was scouted as a LB he'd be quite a bit higher. May explain why were after Paige and another safety on top of Morant.
A couple of the top 247 Guysare off a rank or two but too lazy to good all of them. Except for injury, what explains the 40-60 point drops! I listed the osu recruits for comparison and there was less volatility. Again, barring injury, did the ones with a big drop just not go to the right camps?
McGregor #107 (Down 79)
Morant #115 (Down 68)
Henning #128 Down )
Wilson #219 (Down 1)
Mullings #240 (Down 54)
Lewis #243 (Down 5)
OSU
Johnson #7
Scott #26 (Up 32)
Phillips #33 (Down 8)
Wypler #34 (Down 10)
Njigba #47 (Up 24)
Ransom #61 (Down 6)
Cooper #130 (Down 4)
Simon #136 (up 40)
Royer #201
Miller #214 (Down 65)
Great news on Hibner!
Hmm. Not to Star gaze but I figured with a re-rank our average would go way up, and it actually went down.
There are a lot of high upside guys in the class. Guys like Jeff Persi, Kris Jenkins and JD Johnson havent done anything to improve their rankings, because everything that scouts want to see from them basically is about experience at a position. None of those guys have started at their positions for more than a year, so a lot of scouts are going to pump the breaks until they get more film. I think Persi will soar after the season, Jenkins will get to the 300 range, and a couple other guys could shine. Also the rankings count Gaige Garcia even though he's a walk on, bullet in the chamber.
It seems I'm the only one that wasn't high on JD Johnson from the beginning. But I could wrong about him. Also, I think it's going to be tough for him against JJ McCarthy.
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Can I ask, have you heard the same thing about Joe Milton that Thunder talked about a couple of weeks ago at Touch The Banner?
" word out of Ann Arbor was that the coaching staff sat down with Milton and his family this off-season to explain to him what the future looks like in 2019 and beyond, with the implication that the seaweed might seem greener in somebody else’s lake."
https://touch-the-banner.com/2019-season-countdown-55-joe-milton/
I wouldn't be surprised though if it's true. I was never high on Milton either. And with the heightened level of competition at QB now, maybe this meeting did happen. I can't see him making it to 1st string over the next 4 years at Michigan.
So the assumption would be that McCaffrey wins the starting job next year.
That creates an inflection point for Milton. Stay under the hopes that McCaffrey goes to the NFL after 1 year and then have the inside track on the job over McNamara and Johnson due to experience and physical ability. McNamara would be his only threat as Johnson would be a true freshman. Or leave and play somewhere else like a low level P5 or G5 school because he wasn't a 5-star guarantee and has been in college for 2+ years without starting. With the transfer rules headed the way they are, he could opt to leave and start immediately at a place like Illinois (Peters) or maybe USF (Barnett).
If he departs, that causes a problem because then we're back to where we were in 2017 minus a Senior back up (no matter how bad JOK was). It would basically give McNamara the job and his back up would be Johnson as a true freshman. McNamara winning the job would mean Johnson would have to sit for years before getting a shot without an incumbent and then at that point McCarthy is on campus and breathing down his neck. So then does he also transfer?
Recruiting a QB every cycle is pretty much how things have to be done now, but it still doesn't alleviate the potential of a gap forming and being 1 injury away from disaster. Transferring and guys' rejection of sitting for 2-3 years still causes problems.
Do you know who Thunder/Magnus is?
I mean, I know of him and his site.
He's usually pretty reliable. Maybe Milton will be transferring. I would guess it would be next year. But who knows. Maybe it will be as soon as before this season starts.
I'm not saying I'm high on Johnson, I'm saying he really hasn't had an opportunity to raise up in the system. I havent heard anything on Milton, but I would be a little surprised if that was a conversation they explicitly had with him at this point in his career. I mean, he's going to be a redshirt freshman, and they're going to lose Shea after this year, so I'd be a little surprised if they were ok going into next year with RunDMC, a redshirt freshman McNamara, and a true freshman Johnson/someone else. And I don't see Jim dipping his toes back into the grad transfer QB market.
Everyone who convinced themselves that the Michigan staff found nothing but under the radar gems who would just fly up the recruiting charts was being a massive homer. Its a fine recruiting class, it isn't nearly good enough to build the sort of team that will consistently compete for championships but it will get us to 9-10 wins. Just need to actually win this year to get back on the radar of truly elite recruiting classes.
Get all the big games at home this year, its a big one for momentum.
People thought Rich Rod was going to revolutionize the B1G with his offense. Then people thought Hoke was going to have success because "he's a Michigan Man!" "we're going to run power!" "This is Michigan fergodsakes!" Then people thought Harbaugh was going to be our Nick Saban and Urban Meyer. People have been wrong a lot.
You have -358 points right now. How are you not banned yet?
Popularity =/= quality
True. However, maizen = shit.
Yeah. I mean, some people even thought John Beilein was never going to win anything notable after 2013 and flamed people who thought they were overreacting.
Oh yeah there was definitely people like that. I still remember the "Fire Beilein" thread on here that was like 8 pages long. Luckily he did something he hadn't done for 35 years up to that point and finally hired someone to coach defense. He also stopped taking so many projects and instead zeroed in on more top 100 guys. And we reaped the results the last two years. Not sure what this has to do with Harbaugh's lack of recruiting success though.
Yup. Key top-100 guys like
- Mo Wagner (#119)
- DJ Wilson (#123)
- Isaiah Livers (#133)
- John Teske (#142)
- MAAR (#434)
- Duncan Robinson (# . . . how high do numbers go?)
Wagner was a top 50 player on 247. His composite was messed up because the other sites don't rank international players. Livers and Wilson were both top 100 players on espn and rivals. As we Matthews, Simpson, Brazdeikis, and Poole.
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So with that logic, and with the idea that the top 300 football recruits are a similar range to the top 100 basketball recruits as far as ratings go in their respective sports, we pretty much are recruiting all 4* players for football minus a couple guys. (Almost all of our guys are a 4* to at least one site.) That being said, you should stop complaining so much.
Beilein went to the national championship without a class ranked inside of 30. I love how you are now playing it off like you weren’t involved in that thread.
I mean those teams also had top 100 recruits in Poole, Simpson, and Iggy starting (also had Johns not that he really played). If 3/5's of the starting lineup for the football team was top 100 recruits my guess is less people would be complaining about recruiting.
Edit if you add Matthews we actually started 4 out of 5 guys ranked in the top 100 starting last year. Moe was also considered a top 50 recruit but screwed up because of international issues.
Beilein's recruiting changed how? He always got some top-100 guys and always took under-the-radar projects. Nothing changed.
Top 100 is BB and FB are not the same. Also people will complain regardless of how many 4 stars we get. You know what would be worst. Getting 4 stars and 5 stars to fill half the class and never doing anything with it. I know we want both coaching and star players but if I am offered a choice I would rather take good coaching. I finally feel like we have a good coaching staff.
I know everyone loved Mattison before he left for hell. I think Mattison's DL did not seem to perform at the key moments throughout his tenure here in big games. So I am guessing without any proof that we are going to do really well this year despite the kind of classes we are getting. I blame it all on the traitor and bad luck with QBs.
These posts offered as a public service reminder that Nichols/Maizen is a dishonest and cowardly troll who doesn't actually believe a number of the things he says; taking him seriously is a mistake, though the way he frequently loses composure when challenged can be amusing.
What do you know, "not Maizen" is referencing the "Fire Beilein" thread to defend him. As if that was the only topic to discuss the matter.
Imagine, if we had a block user function, we wouldn't have to listen to this troll.
I've never thought any such thing about Hoke. I though he and Rich Rodriguez were a mistake from the beginning.
I didn't want Hoke at all, either. Even when he was winning I thought it was a fluke. As far as RichRod goes, I gave him a shot because of what he did in WV, but that luster fell off pretty quick into the second season.
He didn't do well at Arizona either.
Maybe he will do well at Ole Miss as the OC. I hope he does.
I still think rich rod would have had an incredible offense in 2011 and beyond. Denard would have won a hesiman. Sammy Watkins and Dee Hart would have looked great in maize And blue.
Yes and no...but when whining and bitching about Hibner. Maybe folks will STFU and wait.
If we got him today everyone would be going nuts.
It's a little concerning. We don't have 1 guy ranked in the top 100? Of the 24 or so commits we have? We can beat around the bush all we want, but at some point we need the talent to compete and win. We should be recruiting better than this.
It’s your fault.
A little? OSU is lapping Michigan so bad right now it's not even funny. Almost every commit UM has taken has dropped like a rock on 247, which everyone says is the best recruiting site in the business right now. It's year 5, this is disappointing, lets not spin it any other way.