Question about offsetting penalties
This might have been covered in a previous snowflake thread and I missed it - apologies if so.
Rewatching the Iowa game, there was a kickoff in the 4th Q where UM had a procedural penalty (man ran OOB then returned to play) and Iowa had a holding and also a personal foul. The result was offsetting penalties and re-kick.
In the Illinois game this weekend, there was another instance of multiple penalties on each team (don't recall all specifics since I have not rewatched yet). The penalty against IL was minor and the one against UM was a personal foul - the result was yardage enforcement against UM.
Are there differing rules about when penalties offset (and do personal fouls trump minor penalties), or is this just another instance of "big ten refs suck and are inconsistent"?
October 14th, 2019 at 8:35 AM ^
In the IL game, the one against Michigan happened after the play, thus the enforcement. If they happen during the play, they offset and the down is replayed regardless of how major or minor the penalties are.
October 14th, 2019 at 8:37 AM ^
what he said.
October 14th, 2019 at 9:12 AM ^
I guess the lesson here is that if you see the other team go offsides on a kickoff, and one of your teammates commits a clear block in the back on the return, that would be a good time to get in a cheap shot - as long as you do it before the whistle blows.
Understanding the rules - and when to break them - is important.
October 14th, 2019 at 9:15 AM ^
Classic Mike Damone.
October 14th, 2019 at 9:38 AM ^
So would this lesson fit in somewhere between ordering for your lady at dinner and putting on Side One of Led Zeppelin IV while making out?
October 14th, 2019 at 10:14 AM ^
Just friggin' drive Stacy to get the abortion. Ferris would have had the baby with Sloane, or at least drove her there.
October 14th, 2019 at 5:24 PM ^
I definitely would have had a baby with Sloan. She was amazing. Mike Damone was a trash character. And that tall goofy guys driving Stacy to get an abortion was a plug. Oh yeah let me help you out by driving you to end a life inside you, no big deal there.
October 14th, 2019 at 9:14 AM ^
Ah - I missed the live ball / dead ball distinction. Thanks for the clarification!
October 14th, 2019 at 10:45 AM ^
A good question, though. I was similarly puzzled over the weekend, and on account of the exact same plays.
October 14th, 2019 at 8:36 AM ^
Dead ball fouls cannot be offset by live ball fouls.
So in instance one. Going OOB and holding were both live ball fouls. While the personal foul on Michigan might have been after the play i.e. a dead ball foul.
October 14th, 2019 at 8:39 AM ^
It was. The play he's referring to was holding on Illinois (live ball) and PF late hit out of bounds on Michigan (dead ball).
They backed Illinois up 10 yards, then tacked on the 15 yards and gave them the automatic first down.
October 14th, 2019 at 8:40 AM ^
It’s a stupid rule. Every player on defense could conceivably get a PF on one play, and none of them would be enforced if the offense had an illegal formation.
October 14th, 2019 at 9:30 AM ^
I assume targeting does not have to be accepted by the other team to still result in that player's disqualification, so just don't hit head/neck area.
October 14th, 2019 at 9:55 AM ^
I agree and have never understood the offsetting penalties rule. It's like the rulemakers are insulting the officials' abilities to do basic math.
October 14th, 2019 at 10:18 AM ^
Did you watch the Iowa-PSU game? The overturn of a TD called on the field that replay appear to confirm, but instead was overturned by the replay ref (Tom Kissinger part of John O'Neal crew) and saying a pretty obvious targeting call was not targeting. I'd wouldn't be surprised if that guy couldn't do basic math. BTW, the announcing crew all but called the replay guy incompetent.
October 14th, 2019 at 8:51 AM ^
They should make the offending player run laps....with a jock strap stretched over his helmet.
October 14th, 2019 at 9:09 AM ^
Would never fly, twitter would go wild for “equipment shaming”
October 14th, 2019 at 10:15 AM ^
my better half played Division II woman's basketball in the early '90s. They had a rebound drill they'd do in practice, the loser had to put a men's jockstrap on over their shorts and run laps....
We just had lunch with her old coach and they laughed about that and how there's no way it would fly today.
October 14th, 2019 at 8:55 AM ^
It's a lot like offsetting posts on the board. One side argues "be a fan, support the team" and the other side argues "be realistic you wide-eyed optimist. BPONE!" and when it's over nothings different and the team still has to play the game. there's no point and you wonder why they bothered in the first place.
October 14th, 2019 at 9:14 AM ^
Dunkin' Donuts is getting its money's worth that product placement.
October 14th, 2019 at 9:32 AM ^
A late hit penalty is considered after the play. The play is over once Illinois is assessed their penalty, then Michigan's penalty is assessed. Michigan's penalty is more yards so Illinois "wins". Michigan's penalty also results in an automatic first down.
The Iowa circumstance had 3 penalties during the play. So those all offset, regardless of severity.
October 14th, 2019 at 10:05 AM ^
I hate how a 15 yard penalty and a 5 yard penalty basically offset. When the 15 yarder is a much bigger penalty
October 14th, 2019 at 10:13 AM ^
Right.....
all it takes is for some dirty player to recognize an offsides or illegal procedure penalty and use it as his opportunity to take a cheap shot at someone he's pissed at.
If and when that happens, they'll revisit the 'offsetting penalties' rule.
October 14th, 2019 at 10:23 AM ^
God forbid the umpire has to figure out 15 minus 5 on the spot!
You think it's easy, but imagine the pressure of having to figure out 15 minus 5 in front of 100,000!
Not so easy anymore, eh smarty pants?
October 14th, 2019 at 10:53 AM ^
Anyone else super annoyed with Ben Mason's PF? Such a dumb foul to take. I am really disappointed in his play. So far, he fumbled the ball early to end a promising drive and then here, missed a pass and backed Michigan up 15 where we ended up missing the kick. Such a cheap shot foul too.