Proposal for B1G football schedule with 18 schools
I think adding UW and Oregon could get us back toward a more fun schedule with equity.
Aspects I would value in conference schedule:
- round robin in divisions
- one protected rival game for each school
- flexible divisions from year to year so we're not stuck in a division with Maryland and Rutgers and never get to play Minny, Wisco, etc again.
- parity in divisions - I don't think we should have upper and lower tiered divisions because the upper tier would be a murder's row. You need some cupcakes for player development and resting some stars to avoid injury before the playoffs.
- I really like Seth's idea of a showcase game at the end of the season. Essentially a conference championship at the top, then lots of interesting games below it.
So, I suggest a system where teams are ranked by the prior season conference schedule. The conference would be split into divisions by taking alternating schools, with minor variations to accommodate the protected rivals. At the end of the year, showcase games with the top remaining unplayed matchups.
Protected Rivals
OSU-UM
Iowa-Neb
MSU-PSU
OU-UW
Minn-Wisco
Purd-Ind
UCLA-USC
Ill-NW
Mary-Rutg
To see what this would have looked like in 2022, I used standings from 2021 (caveat that Pac12 teams weren't playing B1G teams and even within B1G, it was not a round robin, but this is just for an example).
Division Victors
2021 Wins Losses
UM 8 1
OSU 8 1
OU 7 2
Minn 6 3
Wisco 6 3
Ill 4 5
UW 3 6
Rutg 2 7
NW 1 8
Division Valiant
MSU 7 2
Iowa 7 2
Purd 6 3
UCLA 6 3
PSU 4 5
Mary 3 6
USC 3 6
Neb 1 8
Ind 0 9
The only protected rival not in the same division in this scenario would be Maryland and Rutgers, but they could face each other in the showcase game at the end of the season.
So, there would be a round robin in each division, and the winner of each division would face off in the conference championship, and the best remaining matchups beyond would occur the same weekend. Using conference records from 2022 (caveat being those results weren't actually from a round robin), those matchups would have looked like:
UM - USC (conf championship)
OSU - PSU
OU - Purd
UW - UCLA
Ill - Iow
Minn - MSU (swapped with Rutgers for protected rivalry)
Mary - Rutgers (swapped with MSU)
Wisco - Neb
Ind - NW
So, compared to our actual 2022 schedule, this is what we would have had (replacing schools with similar records):
OSU -> OSU
PSU -> OU
Iowa -> Minn
Mary -> Wisco
Ill -> Ill
Purd -> UW
Rutg -> Rutg
Ind -> NW
MSU -> USC
Neb -> nonconf
This seems totally reasonable to me. And gives us the expectation of playing some of our traditional B10 teams like Wisco, Minn, Iowa, MSU on average every other year.
Do you have kick off times for any of these? Will any be under the lights? Is the tunnel allowed to attend the home games?
Make it stop… holy shit, they aren’t even done adding teams to the Big Ten and already there have been 30 of these types of posts…
You're not interested in reading everyone in the worlds unique take on how we can schedule football games?
I agree. Sorry OP but the big ten execs aren't listening, either.
Make it a Snowflake thread. Then if we want to read about it we can and it won’t bury all the other threads.
After touting the flex rival package, I can't see them going away from that. At least try it and see how it works. If you want to play everyone in the league every few years then have less rivals. It'll take a little longer to cycle through the more you have.
August 5th, 2023 at 11:15 AM ^
I tend to agree, but with 18 teams you’re getting really close to the point where a no divisions setup just isn’t feasible — at least if you’re still trying to identify the top two teams to play in a championship game.
The PAC-12’s no division tiebreakers last year were already messy and arbitrary; I’m not looking forward to the inevitable 3-way/4-way tiebreakers to decide who plays in the championship game.
I think the solution might end up being a 10th conference game and dropping the nonconference to just 2 games.
Add Stanford and another team and make four divisions, with division winners decided by division games records. Possibly have a playoff for conference title, except that seems like too many games especially when the playoffs are going to 12 team. Regular season could shorten by a game but I don't think anyone wants to give up a home game of revenue.
With 18-20 teams winning conference will become very difficult, I'd like to see division winners and give mid tier schools a realistic shot of winning their division occasy.
August 6th, 2023 at 12:08 PM ^
The conference will not add another game especially with the expanded playoff.
I'm generally on board with this with a few suggestions.
- I don't think they're giving up the stand alone conference championship game. It's valuable TV
- Instead, I would make the last week after the 8 game round robin be a combination of showcase and conference semifinal.
- Division A winner hosts Division B runner up
- Division B winner hosts division A runner up
- Winners play the next week in the conference championship
- For the rest of week 9, 3rd plays 3rd, 4th plays 4th, and so on
If it's 18 teams id like to see a way to make three divisions work, 5 division games, possibly one protected non division game, and 3-4 games that rotate through the rest of the conference teams.
If they get to 20 teams, go to four divisions, 4 division games, 0-1 protected non division games, 4-5 games that rotate through rest of conference.
With only two divisions seems like half the conference we'll only play about once a decade.
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August 5th, 2023 at 10:13 AM ^
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August 5th, 2023 at 10:48 AM ^
I think you have USC and MSU confused in your standings.
August 5th, 2023 at 11:23 AM ^
Fox and espn have both said they don’t want divisions anymore that’s why the big 10 and sec did away with them and I doubt they will change their mind. Fox wants the 4 west coast teams playing east coast as much as possible cause they can’t show any west coast home games for big noon kickoff
Just do 8-8-1. 1 protected rival for each school, then with the 8-8 format you play every other school once every two years and visit each opposing school once every 4.
Theres a laundry list of potential tie-breaking scenarios to implement to settle the inevitable ties.
You’re obsessed……….but I gotta give you credit, you put an awful lot of thought into it.
At this point I’m only concerned about this season. Everything else will fall into place for 2024.
Whoever is on the schedule we’ll do our best to slobberknock em.