Mexico v. Cameroon 11:00am CDT
Spain v. Netherlands 2:00pm CDT
Chile v. Australia 5:00pm CDT
What is this CDT? Sounds like commie time to me. Eastern Standard is what 'Murica uses.
I'm currently in Mountain Time, so I don't really care which one you use. It's still confusing to me. That and the sun rising at 5:30 over here...
I can't wait for that Spain v Netherlands rematch at 3:00PM EST.
I just hope they play good football instead of that trash that happened in 2010.
Chile's a quality team, a lot better than their FIFA ranking They've been really good the last year, had draws in Spain and Brazil and whipped England in London, finished qualifying with five wins a draw, mostly against teams that qualified for the WC.
I'm excited to see Chile play. I think they will dominate the Socceroos today. The current manager is sticking with the 3-4-3 or 3-3-1-3 setup that Bielsa ran in the 2010 WC.
Can it really be a group of death with no hopers like Australia as the 4th team?
...but I guess my criterion is that it'll probably have the best team knocked out.
Negs from Voltron is Handsome and maize-blue in 3...2...
oh wait they already did. Never mind.
I never understood the hate.
I mean, I get that if you don't like a sport you don't like a sport—I myself have never been big into Cricket. But it makes no sense to go into a thread and downvote it/troll just because you don't like it. If anything by wasting their time complaining about the sport, they're validating it.
I've said this before and I'll say it again. I think baseball is worst and really boring, but I don't go into baseball threads just to flame and neg posts.
To be fair, maize-blue was a bad ass football player in high school who taunted the soccer players at his school, so we should probably show some respect. I mean, it's not like my 10 year-old nephew could just throw on some pads and play football - oh wait, he does....
Especially Voltron is Handsome.
I also don't think the frickin World Cup is "OT" or the Olympics.
I'm going to Ghana to work at a hospital for a couple months next week, but not flying over until Friday. I wish it was a few days earlier, because I'd love to watch the US-Ghana game over there.
What was bad about yesterday?
Also I'm really hoping the rumors that FIFA is thinking about switching the 2022 WC to the US are true.
Old Barca teammates embrace before the match.
The Mexican Federation has apparently sold more tickets than any country other than Brazil. They've got pretty loud fan support.
Cameroon, looking pretty shaky in the back so far, but Mexico hasn't been able to get a decent cross in yet.
Mexico got shafted on that offsides call, it seems...
Would like to see that offside call again. Looked like his head might have been just past the last defender. Still, Mexico is bossing this game right now.
Palimo I believe is the play by play guy. He's El Salvidorian and does the GOOOOOAAAAALLLL!!! thing.
Sorry, Palomo is how you spell it I believe (stupid iPhone)
Damn Eto'o so close.
Eto'o off the post from about 10. He's got to his the target from there.
Cameroon's starting to find their game, though.
Oh, man. Marquez just stole a goal off the head of Moreno.
Being an assistant referree is hard.
OK - that was clearly the linesman being paid off disallowing that goal on the Mexico corner.
That looked pretty close to me, I'm excited to get to halftime to see what they show us in the studio.
...if it had come off a Mexican head. But deflections off defenders don't trigger the offsides rule.
Missing the call's understandable but they got it wrong.
I get the benefit of replay, but they got BOTH calls wrong.
What was the call on that. I don't have any sound right now. Did they call a foul?
Offside on the initial header off the corner. Not clear if he called it on dos Santos or Peralta.
Can anyone explain to me why this is offsides? Is the rule different for corner kicks?
It wasn't on the corner kick, it was on the header that was the initial touch after the corner (you can't be offside on a corner because all players are behind the ball when the corner was played).
t looked like dos Santos was just past the last defender when the ball was headed. You basically can't have any part of your body that can legally play the ball past the body of the last defender.
It looked to me that the defender flicked the ball on, and so it should not have been offsides.
This is correct. Choupo-Moting got the touch in the area before dos Santos put it in. Not offside when off the defender.
Ahh alright thank you, I didn't think about the header causing offsides to come into play.
This match is a million times better than the match yesterday.
The heavy rain adds another element as well.
But if you don't care who wins, this is pretty exciting soccer. Which is good, because the next match is probably going two teams holding onto the ball for minutes at a time.
For soccer to put a 2nd referee on the field.
That way you always have someone in front and behind of the play.
Yeah, the refs are out in a pretty bad position to officiate at a high level. How can they expect a guy to see through 5 bodies at a play 30 yards away? Don't know another sport that asks officials to do that.
Could you imagine trying to see if the ball cross the goalline from 35-40 yards away?
That's pretty much what you're asking.
I mentioned this to a co-worker today. Imagine if the NBA was officiated with just 1 official. That's 5 on 5 and a playing surface that is considerably smaller.
I understand you have linesmen, but that's not enough, they're too far away too.
ESPECIALLY for the World Cup, it makes no sense. They bring in extra officials/umpires for the NFL and MLB playoffs...it's the World Cup, put at least one more guy ON the field out there.
Hell, I could argue that you should put 3 more guys out there and split the field into quarters.
Agree. But soccer is such a purist sport. They won't change anything at this point. It's almost like wrong calls are just a part of the game that people want. Very different from the more American sports where we seem to try more to get calls correct, especially calls that are difficult for the official to judge/see or are crazy important.
I don't know, I thought I saw a headline from Blatter (who at one point was 100% staunchly against technology being involved in the game at all) said they're considering coach's challenges in the future. The rules have changed before, it might take a while, but I expect they will do what makes sense in the future for the betterment of the sport.
Damn I want Cameroon to win so bad.
Will you post updates when you can?
I'll be repping the Maize and Blue for sure.
This game should be 2-1* Mexico...
*if Cameroon converts on what should've been a PK.
Eh, I think this game should be 327 to -4* Cameroon
*If the officials and FIFA award points based on how much I don't want Mexico to advance out of the group.
Time for limited instant replay or having two CRs in these games (like hockey). Two poor calls by the AR and two missed fouls in the box (PKs).
I ref soccer and I cringe at criticism of refs in any sport but this is getting crazy.
Never officiated soccer, but I have football and basketball, so I understand that refs are human and mistakes are made. But I just don't get how soccer expects so few refs for such a large field and spread out game that changes directions so quickly, to officiate well. Terrible position to be put in for such critical calls.
With some of the most fit athletes in the world on the field.
Like all other sports the athletes are faster, the equipment is better (used to be played with a leather ball that would weigh a ton in the rain) and better TV resolution and replay magnify the errors.
I could definitely see a two center ref system being the best solution. ARs are usually in good postion fo offsides at this level. I know they have head sets but would like to see the AR and CR seriously talking to each other after a call like the second disallowed goal. CR, in his position, should have been able to see that the Cameroon player headed the corner kick first.
When I ref I try to get the call right, not get it fast.
Another wish would be for refs to have the balls to yellow card divers. Some are starting to do this but they are few and far between. These pro players are extremely good at selling phantom fouls.
FIFA finally approved goal line technology. Maybe some other enhancements for 2018?
looks like the monstars. not good, but just huge.
Just caught the tail end...what happened? Did the Cameroon player get carded?
Where's Mark Jackson? HAND DOWN! MAAAN DOWN!!!
You got the card man...why do we need 3 barrel rolls 20 ft away from the play to prove that there was contact?
Then you're going to get up and run around like nothing happened.
Yeah, the theatrics of diving irritate me more than the dive itself. Dives make logical sense based on the potential reward for diving. But the writhing is hilarious.
That's the second time Mbia has exaggerated the shit out of a foul. My only gripe about this sport.
Not sure I see how that was a clear foul and cardable penalty.
Mexico finally break through
Well the announcers sure can't hide their bias'.
Both get pretty animated for both sides in their matches. Palomo does his 'gooooaaaallll' thing for any goal for both sides as well. I don't follow the rivals/friends of Central/South American international soccer, but I don't think an El Salvadorian and a Venezualian really care a whole lot about the Mexican soccer team.
I love Mexico's coach, or at least his goal celebrations.
GIF that man.
Keep knocking, someone will answer. 1-0, should be 3-1.
Mexico is hitting their stride now..
...and finally a ref doesn't award a blantant flop. Told that guy "get up. get up."
The Assistant ref's had a tough game, but the guy doing the center is having a solid game.
Is a big thing that holds the progression of the sport growing in America more than it does.
It's going to grow and it'll be huge, for other reasons.
But it would be accepted and grow faster if the flopping wasn't so frequent and so AWFUL.
...and yes, your counterpoint is going to be the NBA and LeBron and Wade and everyone else flopping all over the place.
Valid. But there's a difference between trying to draw a foul and acting as if someone cut off your leg.
If guys just went down and slowly got up, it would't be a huge deal. But you'd think they were SHOT.
Again, something that could be solved by more refs. They do it because it works, and it works because refs are too far away to actually make a good call.
The flopping is also ammunition for people who want to trash the sport.
But after watching Ginobli or D Wade - hell Lebron - I'm not sure why people think soccer has a monopoly on flopping. Shit, since '05 or so seems like NFL WR's are overselling pass interference.
It's completely different because while the intent is to draw a foul...in soccer, they act go CRAZY. Even after a card is given (or clearly not given) they're still rolling around or just being silly.
The logic is like "well if I roll 4 more times, he's going to stop play at the other end of the field and retroactive call a foul."
You can't really stop flopping in any sport with contact. That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is Americans who only watch the sport during the World Cup or international play generally can't stand or understand all of the rolling around and theatrics.
Guys in the NBA flop all the time, but generally the don't leave their team playing 4 on 5 while they roll around in pain.
And then here's the kicker, this, generally speaking is the icing for the American viewer.
Then the ball comes back towards the player on the ground and he pops up and takes of running full speed trying to make a play.
You can't take someone seriously when that happens.
Hulk flopping yesterday to draw what turned out to be a horrible call (and card), that's what flopping "should be." It's awful, we all hate it, but every contact sport has it. Refs just have to do a better job and not reward it.
But when you see these guys who are jumping in the air when they haven't been touched or rolling around like a child...then they're fine 45 seconds later, you just shake your head and reaffirm your alliegence to American sports - ignorance or not.
So it's the number of times a player in sport rolls when they flop. Dwayne Wade doesn't roll as much he flops. Therefore, soccer sucks!
That's a bit of an obtuse way of summarizing what he took the time to try and explain. I'm not sure his overall view on futbol but what he wrote is a big issue with the sport. It doesn't make it a black and white issue, there are other issues people don't like the sport but it is pretty silly what goes on, and silly doesn't cut it for Americans.
Have you read his other posts? All he's been doing is bitching about people falling. I get it.
My issue is with the double standard - we'll largely ignore the players who flail and fall in the Murican sports, but prattle incessantly about soccer's annoying tendency to do the same.
I hear ya. The monstrous men in the NBA are not looked highly upon by myself for the shit they're pulling these days. They're so good at the game, being a a bit of a bitch and being cheap takes so much away from their otherwise otherworldly talents.
Given how good Croatia looked yesterday, Cameroon really has to start pushing guys forward to try to at least get a draw.
Won't win a game, they'll be lucky to score in this tournament.
I'm not a big fan of having non-native speakers call games in English. This announcer may be awesome calling games in his native Spanish, but hearing him struggle to pronounce English words is just grating.
I'm glad I have no sound right now.
You've certainly missed the Mexican crowd yelling "PUTA" about 50 times.
I'm used to that. I go to LA Galaxy games. Last week when they played Chivas USA the, Chivas fans started a LA Putas chant.
WOW. Free header from the 10. How do you leave a guy unmarked there now?
Well poop. Terrible start to the World Cup so far.
This is like watching MSU or OSU win
And USC. USC equal Brazil in this analogy.
Is RVN going to poach comments at the analyst desk?
Robben's been down twice. Shocking.
Costa you gotta finish there if you're going to be playing for my blues next season.
I know casual fans want more "direct" style, but I love watching tiki-taka.
Pretty weak penalty.
Was there any contact there?
Looked liked there was.
Reminded me of the call in the Italy - Australia game in 2006. Poor defending. Regardless of whether the striker sought the contact, you can't go to ground in the penalty area and not get the ball.
Precisely. Regardless of how Costa made contact (and it looked legit), de Vrij can't be sliding on the ground and not get the ball. Just begging for a penalty.
Another bad call it looks like.
Edit: CONFIRMED...awful call, give Spain the PK and the goal.
Not as bad as the one in Brazil vs Croatia.
It looked liked there was some contact, but Silva was already slipping. Hard to tell if he would have been able to recover.
I just don't understand, it was much worse than the Brazil call. The Dutch defender did nothing there, Costa stepped on him. The Croatia guy grabbed with the left and put the right around him, was it slight yes, a dive, yes, but the defender did something he shouldn't have done and got burned.
I wasn't able to see the replay. To me it looked like a penalty live. I'm trying to find a gif or replay on reddit, but nothing has been posted yet.
Have had 4 huge blown goals affecting goals in just 3 matches.
This is a huge issue. Hopefully it doesn't change the outcome like it hasn't in the first 2 matches.
Tiki taka translates to "fall to ground"
So is that saying condoning or critical of this cynical style of play?
Wow those Dutch ladies...
Now that they have a free goal...this game is going to be crazy boring. So conservative.
Right. Because the Netherlands won't bother to attack the remainder of the game.
Right on time.
Damn that pass was perfect.
This is why no one plays 3 in the back anymore. Can't track all the runners out of midfield. Particularly against Spain.
There's the equalizer.
What an amazing diving header and what a pass
Wow - beautiful goal!
And we've got ourselves a new ballgame, folks.
That pass was perfect too. I always try to play a perfect early cross like that in FIFA, but never really works out that well.
Sweet-ass Dutch goal!
Nice flop from Van Persie
That was awesome stuff between Bob Ley and Ruud.
Ruud: It's not a penalty. There's contact because Costa stepped on him.
Ley: You've never done that?
Ruud: That's another matter.
No way these two teams wont advance. Skill and speed of this match is terrific. Iniesta is treat to watch. If RVP gets on track they could go all the way.
Don't underestimate Chile. Guys like Arturo Vidal and Alexis Sanchez are good players.
Chile and Australia are toast.
This could be a group where 3 teams get six points and comes down to goal differential. Poor Australians.
That's the goal Robben couldn't finish 4 years ago.
EDIT: also, very reminiscent of Bergkamp
That had to feel good for Robben after his disastrous miss four years ago.
I can't get past Robben's running motion with his alligator arms spinning in circles.
This is kicking off.
That's not the first time Costa has done something idiotic today. He's been looking pedestrian all day against the pedestrian Dutch defense. I don't know if he'll play next match whether he is suspended or not.
Time for Torres.
Spain re-discovering their inner Franco.
PUT THAT AWAY!!!!
Oh man, that could have been the dagger.
I know tika-taka has its fans (and it's certainly an effective strategy, with the right players) - but the Dutch are just a lot more exciting for me to watch.
I think Spain and Barcelona are more fun to watch defending than they are possessing the ball. Obviously this game isn't a great example as they're down 3-1, but they usually work real hard to get the ball back when they do lose it.
Rocket off the crossbar.
Good sub to get de Guzman off.
Iker Casillas used to be good :(
In mediocre form right now
Talk about good timing. That was terrible
Not surprised to see De Guzman get subbed out. He has had a rough game.
WOW the dutch are going ham against the defending champs!
How often does Spain play down a goal? Serious question.
EDIT: down TWO (2) goals.
Pull Casillas? He looks lost out there.
They have good subs. de Gea might be a better option.
Free De Gea
Casillas has been in mediocre form all year in his domestic league
He is playing poorly now and I would advocate a goalie change.
I will say in fairness that his defense is also letting him down. Van Persie's getting unmarked a lot.
Man, Syracuse looks awesome today
Oh no, Casillas.
Van ass kicking.
Van Persie is a monster today. No one can cover him.
Going in, I swore this would be a classic WC "play to a draw/collect a point" match.
I thought so too. So far, only Cameroon has taken that approach, which is a great thing.
Spain were heavy favorites to repeat and all broadcast they boasted about how Casillas had this unbeaten streak and how he was elite
He is not elite this year
He was not elite at his club during domestic league play
He is overrated and should be benched IMMEDIATELY for De Gea or Reina. Anyone but Casillas. He gone.
At this point I think the problems go behind the keeper. Spain's defense looks like it's running in mud.
According to the Las Vegas Sun the Nevada consensus had them fourth favorites after Brazil, Argentina and Germany, Odds on Spain coming in were 13:2; they're 9:1 after this debacle.
I've never seen Spain die like this.
Incredible. I didn't think the Dutch were the 3rd team in this group like most did, but I would have never expected this.
making sure that if goal differential comes into play down the road, they should win that battle.
Robben has been unbelievable.
Jesus I go for a run at halftime and come back to this. Wowzer.
Don't piss off the Dutch.
Spain is in real danger of missing the knockout round with this loss... Chile is by no means a team to mess around with and basically is a must win because of their terrible goal differential. Not sure I would have ever seen this coming
Has any defending champion ever failed to advance to the knock-out round??
The really bizarre thing is that this is not a question of "yeah, they won in 2010 but this is a different team." They were the #1 team in the world before this match!!
What other surprises might be in store in this World Cup??
France in 2002 and Italy in 2010 both were eliminated in the group stages. Defending champs from Europe don't seem to handle success well.
...and it isn't just European sides that suffer from it, Brazil had a similar problem in 2006 with Ronaldo, though at least they got through their group...
is that success in one world cup seems to bring pressure to bring the same successful players back the next time around, even if age has caught up with them in the meantime. It would have been a lot easier to replace Casillas if they hadn't won three straight tournaments with him.
we shouldn't cry too much about Donovan being left off the squad.
With German efficiency and coldness:
"I am sorry Landon, but you haff failed zee conditioning test, so you are off - OFF! - zee team!"
No, you shouldn't. Klinsmann's comments on Donovan have been spot on and it's a sign he's the right man to have in charge of the squad.
World Cup spots shouldn't be lifetime achievement awards.
How is that guy only 30? He looks like he is 50!
Did you know: This is the worst Spanish defeat since 1588
RT @DufresneLATimes Hello Mudda, Hello Fadda, Spain is playing like the Armada! RT @TheTweetOfGod This is Spain's worst defeat since 1588. #WorldCup2014
They lost to the US in a matter of three months the following lands: Phillippines, Cuba, Guam, and Puerto Rico. The US essentially ended the Spanish Empire.
The amazing thing about this is that it hasn't even really been a case of the Dutch being incredibly lucky, or Spain unlucky. Spain got an iffy penalty for a goal, got away with the headbutt and dodged a few bullets at its own goal. The score could have actually been even more lopsided.
I like the random assortment of fruits in the middle.
30for30, Grantland and soccer are the only things ESPN does well IMO. And now Fox is getting the next World Cup. Ugh.
At least I think so.
They have alot of games. But that's the only quality they have IMO. Their analysts are generally awful, whether it be the color guys or in studio.
coverage from an announcing perspective has a very long way to go. Gus Johnson is a terrible, terrible soccer announcer.
ESPN is smart and hires Ian Darke, Adrian Healy, Jon Champion etc, English guys who know the game and know what they're doing. Johnson just does not.
I'm glad they're at least letting him have opportunities with Champions League Final and the FA Cup. But I think he needs to be announcing lots of games to get his quality up. Hopefully Fox improves over the next four years.
Most goals given up by Spain since 1950.
What exactly is the point of that long animated sequence? It must have cost a ton to make.
I agree. The cartoon is stupid. Just more FIFA promotion
I don't want to watch Rio 3. I want to watch soccer.
If somehow Van Haal can snag Robben for Man Untited forget about it!
That's not the same Robben I saw in big games for Bayern this year. He was on another planet today.
Van Persie either really.
by van Gaal and making RVP and Robben play more central looks brilliant now. Man Utd fans can only hope he can use their talent more effectively. Can not wait to see them at the Big House.
Was surprised how aggressive the outside backs were almost making a 3-5-2 formation along with a very aggressive offside trap. Also very impressed how the Dutch midfielder one timed long passes and through balls to strikers who expected this sort of lightning attack. Could have been 8-1 as the Spanish defense said "No Mas". They looked like the MIami Heat.
Can't wait to see Italy-England tomorrow!
What a shocking result - great game by the Dutch. Spain's defense is a joke.
gritty defenseman who seemed to be the emotional leader for Spain.
Aussie GK just pulled a David "Calamity" James there - too bad.
Chile is fun to watch...they're the Golden State Warriors of soccer...
That is the Marcelo Bielsa style right there. The current coach is still running his system.
They win hard or lose hard...they can give up TERRIBLE goals. But in games like this, they'll just pour it on.
Yeah that high pressing style makes for those types of games.
To add to what you said, I don't think Australia has the talent to really counter it.
2-nil Chile :(
Well, the Socceroos are in for a rough night. Spain might not be at the bottom of the group by the end of the night.
Chile = Shaka Smart's VCU. Gonna press you and attack the whole game for better or worse.
Because I want to root for them...
of course he scores with a header.
Get a goal...maybe we have a game!
what an entertaining day of soccer
Hopefully it continues tomorrow.
While I still expect Chile to walk away with this one, they will feel it tomorrow. Australia playing a very physical match.
That looked like a goal. No replay?
I've never seen this before...they're like the Globetrotters with all these passes.