OT: World Cup Day 1 Open Thread
I hope they don't pull a groin or get blisters on their feet.
I get that people don't think soccer isn't a very phyical sport, and in comparison to hockey and football that's absolutely correct. Players still have to be in tip top shape though. It isn't lke football where you get a whistle every 10 seconds and can take a breather. There's a ton of running/jogging and there is significant contact. As I said previously, it isn't football but it isn't golf either. Watch some of the slide tackles and just shoulder to shoulder contact where guys go flying. It's a pretty physically demanding game too.
Granted, it's a spoof - but this is the perception I have of soccer anymore. One big pile of flopping set in exotic locations.
I get what you're saying, and you're absolutely correct, but people that make these comments will never understand because they aren't willing to give soccer a fair shot.
Their perception is that everyone fakes injuries and goes down with a slight breeze. Granted, some players don't do much to help the cause, but the perception from people that rarely or never watch the game won't change.
You can keep trying if you'd like, but I think it's a rather futile effort because this guy probably won't watch many games, if any, and will never try to play the game himself.
It's pointless. That poster posts similar shit in almost every soccer thread. I think he got cut from his youth soccer team as a kid and hasn't forgiven himself but covers it up with his asinine posts
I played football for 6 years. I don't know if you played any sports but there is usually an antagonism between football and soccer guys. The soccer and football seasons were both fall sports in my area. In my instance, we passed them on our way to practice as they lightly jogged in shorts and t-shirts while we went to our half mud, half grass practice field. We went to work our asses off while soccer players at least boke a sweat. There is just no way I can ever be conviced that soccer is a tough sport.
Most players conditioned for football wouldnt last a half at anything above a high level U-16 game.
It's a pointless agurment though because most players conditioned for soccer would get broken in anything above a friday night high school game.
You look at football players and they come in all shapes and sizes. You're 6'8" and 340lbs, you're our LT. 5'8" 175 lbs, you're our scat back. 6'4" 205 lbs, you're our WR.
You look at soccer players and the size range is very small. In terms of height they may range from 5'8" to 6'4" but from a weight perspective or BMI it would be a very small range. You could plug most of them into a position in football and I don't think the rigors of the game would hamper them much. The skill set is obviously completely different so they probably wouldn't be great at football, but from the perspective of being able to stand up to the physical nature of football...I don't see that as being a problem for most.
Now ask a bunch of linemen to play a full 90 minutes of soccer where there are no timeouts...that would be physically impossible I'd think.
I think if all you have to hang your hat on is the fact that soccer players can run for a longer period of time than I agree, weak, but I agree.
Being from Wales rugby has always been one of my favorite sports and I still have many friends over there who play the sport. Your comments about soccer players sound a lot like their comments about american football players. They laugh at them because of all the equipment they need to play the sport.
It doesn't matter which sport you're in there will always be players from other sports who want to argue about which sport is more manly or demanding. The bottom line is if you can't watch a sport like soccer and 1) enjoy the amount of skill it takes to play the way these guys at the WC will be playing and 2) acknowlegde that it is physically demanding (maybe not in the same way football is, but that isn't the only definition of physically demanding) you're even more ignorant than you sound in your posts.
I post in these threads because it's easy to get D-bags like yourself all worked up.
For confirming my point.
So you're basically just admitting ignorance. You're basing your opinion of soccer on one high school and your 5 minute walk past them in practice? I guess they should base their opinion of American football when they walk by and the defense is on the field and the offense is taking a break. Meanwhile, soccer players have to play both sides of the field all game long. But if they'd be ignorant if they said football players didn't work hard if that's all they based their opinion on.
Even if you don't like soccer, I don't see the reason to troll every single soccer thread as if it must be known that maize-blue does not enjoy the sport. I'm sure most of the board was dying to know.
very little in this world gets me as excited as UM football season, but the world cup of soccer is one and the world cup of rugby is another. I'm on pins and needles right now just waiting to get home to start watching the games. Good Luck to the USA. Just making it out of that group would be a huge accomplishment.
Sooo pumped for this tournament. Combined with the US Open, this is a hell of a Thursday.
I recommend watching at least the kick-off of the Brazil-Croatia game on Univision. The announcer will sound like he's having a stroke when the game starts - it's hilarious.
He went down in practice a couple days ago which may have been the footage you saw. He got up and finished practice though and no word since so assume he's fine.
Neymar is limping around already. Dude is Fra-Gi-Le.
Wish they had a night game tonight. Spain VS Netherlands should be fantastic tomorrow.
Neymar looking spry there saying hi to his buddies on the sideline. I hope he's at 100%, because he is a sick player.
Anyone have a good livestream?
You should be able to get it on ESPN.com no?
That Brazilian anthem was rousing! Here we go!
Kaka sighting - drink!
Men when I was a kid all I cared about was the world cup, GOAL!!! Croatia!!! o.O
An own goal? Seriously? Whaaaaaat?
Marcelo better watch his back for the rest of his life :(
In 1994 a Colombian defender Andrés Escobar got killed back in Colombia after they got disquialified due to his own goal. So that's scary.
Yes - that goal put the US in the knock-out round, where we lost to Brazil.
I'd love to see Croatia win this match. Tension would be unreal in Brazil the next week or so.
technically an own goal, but they deserved that one anyway.
Brazil has looked really flat. Meanwhile Croatia has come out to play. Really dominating the chances in the early minutes.
Half back passes to center, back to wing, back to center! Center holds it, holds it! HOLDS IT!!!
Way to use outdated terms
will be fun.
totally overlooking one of the most offensively talented teams in this tournament.
More like MarcelNO
If Brazil loses the game, that guy is going to die.
An own goal and then the lights going out in part of the unfinished stadium...what a start for the home country!
Aaaaaand a yellow card for Neymar.
Nice shot by Oscar and huge save by Croatian GK
That goal seems to have been good for this game.
Great strike by Oscar but an even better save by the GK
Good to hear Darkey and Macca again.
Goal!, let's hope the game keeps its intensity.
Wow. Neymar comes up big.
Couldn't have placed that any more perfect.
Very nice goal by Neymar 1-1 29'
Hulk is a big mf-er - aptly named
I just realized that the Brazilian GK plays in the MLS for Toronto - that surprises me.
I don't like how many of these games are scheduled during normal work hours, but I work an eccentric work day dictated by hours of my demand, so I can go in from 6 AM to 2 PM tomorrow and make it in time for Spain - Netherlands, I hope :|
Also noted B1G broadcaster Mike Tirico is doing halftime right now
Is better then it usually is but let's pretend FIFA doesn't care about Europeans watching. Most days final game starts at 6 ET, makes it midnight in central Europe. Diehards will stay up and watch and still creates a prime-time type game for the Eastern US.
Korea in 02 was a nightmare here in the states.
I remember watching those games in high school during class at 7 AM. We'd just be in class making pots in ceramics with the game on
I had a bunch of people over to watch the Portugal-USA game at whatever time that was (7:00am-ish?). We all had to go to work afterwards, and so we sat there downloading coffee and cigarettes while the US fended off the Portugal comeback - good times.
Wow those Brazilians sure love those halftime concessions. What the hell, where did everyone go?
I need another goal here (either team) - o/u is 2.5 (even on the over).
Boy this second half had been boring
is the most boring performance by Brazil I've ever witnessed.
Agreed - both teams are bunkered down and very conservative. Some speed coming on with Bernard replacing Hulk though.
Horrible call on this PK, but I will take it.
Terrible call. Still amazed at how the players are allowed to basically surround the ref after calls in soccer. I would not want to be in that position.
Maybe it'll open up a bit or is Croatia done?
Home field advantage right there.
How can they call that
Terrible, corrupt officiating. This is exactly why Americans can't get behind soccer as a sport.
I'm still pretty sure it's that we don't win very much and there are already established major sports with their own forms if corruption.
Like what? What American sports have even close to the same level of corruption as FIFA? Sure, part of it is because America isn't that great, but even if they were, the constant diving is such an insult to competitive play that it's almost unbearable to watch.
I didn't say any were as bad as FIFA but the NBA has had it's fair share of diving and referee corruption recently.
Yeah I do agree that the NBA has been rather pathetic lately, but we're still a long ways away from the levels of diving seen in international soccer
FIFA right now. LeBron James, despite the fact he's 6'9" 270 lbs and can outmuscle anybody with ease, is a habitual flopper.
The reason flopping is so prevalent in soccer is because the reward is 100x greater. In basketball, a flop just gives you possession. And it's easier to decipher flops or non flops because the refs are right on top of you. A dive in soccer could give you a great shot at a goal with a pk. And the refs are usually farther away, with three of them, but only one in the field. Think about how much players would try to get away with stuff in the NFL if all they had was two line judges and one official on the field? They need to punish diving as much as it's possible reward for it to decrease significantly. Red cards for it, even if they are given after the match would be bettet
Easy NBA, NFL, MLB, NHL to name a few. NBA and NHL have major problems with game fixing in their reffing crew. I don't buy for a second the NFL's drug testing policy or their push to protect player safety. Same goes for MLB's fight against PED. At least advanced sabermetrics has leveled the playing field in MLB.
The guy who gets fouled (or not in this case) should be the one who has to take the penalty shot...
For a fringe soccer fan like me that call makes me not want to watch much more of this World Cup. Especially when the announcers say things like that is the first of many controversies.
Same here. I love watching international soccer, but frankly that makes me not want to watch any more games for a while. That was one of the worst calls I've seen in a while.
Maybe you are just looking for a reason not to watch? The NBA has flops, so does the NFL at times. It happens, that's why players get fined. Don't let ONE play in the first game ruin the WC. Brazil has been dominate, they are more skilled. Things even out.
Huh? Have you been watching the game? Brazil has been anything but dominant. Sure, they've held possesion for most of the game, but as far as legitimate attacking opportunities it's been pretty much even. Brazil is extremely lucky to be up 2-1.
68% vs 32% in possesion? 80% passing vs 60%? 145 complete passes vs 60?? I'd say that's being better, and those are the 1st half statics.
Yeah they've been a bit better, but a lot of that is simply style of play.
While Brazil was sloppy at times, their talent was obviously dominate. They toyed with them today.
I could not disagree more. That was the farthest thing from "toying" with them. Scoring opportunities were essentially even, and the result was largely dictacted by a terrible piece of officiating. Overall, Brazil was sloppy, lazy on defense, and very lucky to come away with the win.
Not sure game you were watching. Scoring opportunities were not even remotely close. 9-4 SOG, 58-42 possession and fouls 21-5. Exactly what part of that was close?
normally I wouldn't say anything but you have misused dominate twice now.
That's my bad...drinking at a bar an MGoBlogging. It happens.
...it's unfortunate there isn't more Serie A on American television. For some reason a lot of American soccer fans seem to think that having more possssion should mean you're winning the game.
For me the only stretch of the game where Croatia was clearly worse was that last 20 minutes or so when they had the ball and were open to an inevitable counter.
They were clearly worse than Brazil for the entire first half. For some reason some people think that just because the score was tied, one team is dominating a game.
You know nothing about soccer.
Don't watch the NBA and my NFL watching has waned in recent years.
I completely understand - wait until the Spain-Netherlands game tomorrow to really piss you off.
Holy crap Ian DArke is the british Gus Johnson
I nearly blew up there
He is a real treasure. Hope he keeps announcing for a long time
Soccer officiating is literally the worst thing this side of figure skating judging.
PAC 12 Refs
Where's College Hockey fall in this?
Neymar is obviously brilliant, but Brazil's defense is lacking. Croatia has had numerous chances. Neymar's health is also a concern.
Brasil looked nervous. They will get it together. I wouldn't bet against them. Way too much analysis after one game
That's a corrupt call. Fuck that.
Wow Brasil, trying to let Croatia back in it.
Croatia played Brasil tough but Brasil got the win. Big goal there by Oscar to seal it.
Another blatant Brazil foul just ignored by the official prior to that goal.
So its clear you hate Brazil.
Ramires just clobbered the Croat midfielder that led to the toe poke goal.
That's a great effort by Oscar but feels like a weak goal to let in.
Many bad key calls going against Croatia decided the outcome. Both keepers look like MLS quality (oh yeah one is,lol) with slow reactions and mishandling of balls. Very laxed defending by Brazil. Hoping for better play and reffing tomorrow.
Many bad calls against Croatie did not decide the outcome. Brazil outplaying Croatia decided the outcome. Croatia's goal was an own goal by Brazil. Nothing lucky about that??
No, there wasn't much luck in that at all--it was abysmal, even comical, defending by Brazil, with both defenders letting their marks get ball side of them by yards.
That back four was awful today. They can'r really be that bad, can they? I thought they'd at least get to the semis but if they keep playing like this they won't survive the round of 16.
The ref directly caused the second Brazil goal which should have been a caution and IFK going the other way. It was a tied game at that point and Brazil had little momentum and was being outplayed . It was the turning point of the match.
Minutes later Cesar misplayed yet another ball challenging a header and a quick whistle against Coatia, that should have been a no call, took away what would have been the tying goal. Then there were two successive bad OOB calls to add insult to injury. I think this 15 minute stretch where Croatia got no calls did decide the outcome.
I'm not into lucky or not, just capable reffing, and this Japanese crew was not up to the level of the game. Would be very surprised if they work another WC match.
but the guy used both hands to impede him and flat grabbed him with the left hand. If he doesn't do that Fred doesn't dive and there's no call. You guys are acting like it was a complete phantom, as if he didnt touch him at all. Frankly to me it was just like a lot of charge calls you see in college basketball, guy flopped and fooled the ref. The problem is the magnitude of the missed call. In hoops its a turnover, usually no big deal, in soccer it can easily be the difference in the game.
But the way Fred threw his legs out, it was an obvious flop. By the way, defenders are allowed to touch in soccer. Just an awful, awful call that changed the game.
So Taylor Twellman is pretty annoying.
It's been great to watch him develop from a solid player for Spurs to an elite midfielder. I think when Croatia gets their red carded players back they will finish second inhtis group, provided the goalkeeping gets better.
As for Brazil, not sure why Hulk starts. Oscar has been their rising star. Everyone likes Neymar's flash. Scoreboard watchers will 2 goals but it wasn't an impressive day for a suposed superstar. Danny Alves continues to show that he is a striker playing defense.
Can't wait for the Kings and Spurs to end all the other sport's nonsense on TV ; )
and Marcelo is a winger playing left back.
They'll be OK in the group stage but in the knockout rounds they'll be facing teams designed to rip defenses apart down the wings and they're going to try to defend with fullbacks that can't tackle, are slower than the players they'll be marking and don't have any positional sense. How's that going to be work? Is the extra firepower they get from them offensively really worth it? Seems like they already have enough of that--it's the back end that needs firming up.
Dante for Marcelo, maybe?