OT: Why do we limit Major league pitchers innings and pitches?

Submitted by wolverine1987 on

Interesting article in the WSJ on pitch limiting, using the top Dodgers prospect as an example. As any baseball fan knows, teams are now strictly limiting pitch counts and innings pitched, in the effort to avoid arm injuries, especially Tommy John surgery. As fans of baseball history know, it was only in the last 25 years or so that we adopted five man rotations, before that pitchers started every fourth day, and pitch counts were very rare. We are now much more concerned with the health of pitchers, so we limit them to 100 pitches or so, and monitor innings pitched very closely.

There is only one problem with this: there is literally zero evidence that any of that works. There are MORE Tommy John surgeries now than there were 20 years ago before we started taking better care of pitchers arms, and pitching injuries are also above where they were before teams started doing this. Baseball is adanced stats crazy (and I agree with this) but for some reason teams when taking care of pitchers rely on pure superstition with no facts underneath them. 

http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-julio-urias-dilemma-baseball-babies-its…

 

Wendyk5

April 1st, 2016 at 6:07 PM ^

My daughter is a softball catcher, 13 years old, and now has little league shoulder from throwing. Little league shoulder is when there's a stress fracture in the growth plate (at least that's how I understand it and what the x-ray showed). She's been out three months and is just starting to feel better. But now I'm worrying about the future. She'd like to play through high school, and the repetitiveness of throwing back to the pitcher and trying to get runners out on base is tough on catchers, too. They may not throw as hard as pitchers, but the repitition is there. She's never been taught the "correct" way to throw, just learned from watching my husband and son, and played with them. i wonder if that has had an effect on her shoulder. 

AnthonyThomas

April 1st, 2016 at 6:27 PM ^

Pitchers threw injured more often in the past. They also had less mileage put on their arms as kids. And no one was throwing 90 mph sliders like Jake Arrieta does. There's a host of health related reasons why pitch counts are a thing.

Just as important, though, is that it's been statistically proven that, within a single game, hitters improve the more often they see a pitcher. So game to game, there are strategic reasons for limiting pitch counts. This is just as important in understanding the rise of the seven- or eight-man bullpen. 

SysMark

April 1st, 2016 at 6:54 PM ^

One theory is they're coming into pro baseball more prone to injury, due to increased sport specialization at younger ages.  More curveballs, sliders, less time off to do something else.

autodrip4-1968

April 1st, 2016 at 8:41 PM ^

 

Guaranteed contracts. I think diet is a big deal. I would like to know how much of these sugar drinks. So called sports drinks. Also the long shelf life preservatives, inflammatory food's their eating. Pitcher's should take care to watch there sugar intake.

 

 

autodrip4-1968

April 1st, 2016 at 8:42 PM ^

 

Guaranteed contracts. I think diet is a big deal. I would like to know how much of these sugar drinks. So called sports drinks. Also the long shelf life preservatives, inflammatory food's their eating. Pitcher's should take care to watch there sugar intake.

 

 

Cruzcontrol75

April 1st, 2016 at 10:19 PM ^

Pitchers used to also be point guards, quarterbacks, etc. in middle school and high school and there was an off-season. The differing motions of playing multiple sports allowed the joint and ligaments time to heal. Nowadays kids are groomed early and pushed hard to pitch. There is no offseason for some, and they train from the time they're 6. The better they are the more they play. By the time they get thru high school their elbows and shoulders are shredded. No coincidence that kids in college and minors are getting tommy john done

M and M Boys

April 2nd, 2016 at 8:23 AM ^

Have devised statistical formulas for development that run counter to the actual historical and traditional practices of baseball development. Many veteran pro baseball coaches believe designed practice regimens and playing-- promote "repititions"-- which most effectively promote skill development. Facts today seem to prove the vets correct. There are more corrective surgeries today-- since the agents and analysts have established control.