OT: What's next for US Soccer / Soccer blogs

Submitted by maizenbluedevil on

I absolutely loved the World Cup and am hoping to follow international soccer more closely.

Does anyone know what's next for US Soccer?  When (and against who) is the next big game or tournament?

Also, for those here that follow soccer, what are some good blogs to read?

Thanks ahead of time for helping us soccer noobz!!

bouje

July 14th, 2010 at 3:19 PM ^

National teams still have the confed cup every 4 years (2 years after the WC). 

 

But also there are all of the premiere league teams and all of the MLS teams etc.  So no it's not the offseason for 3 years for soccer blogs.  

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Braylon Edwards

July 14th, 2010 at 3:30 PM ^

The Gold Cup, which is a tournament between teams from North and Central America plus the Caribbean. There are also two announced friendlies versus Brazil august 10th in the New Meadowlands and versus Poland in October in NY/NJ. Other than that there is club soccer starting in August or so in Europe.

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MattisonMan

July 14th, 2010 at 5:35 PM ^

You might eventually get into MLS or european teams, but keep an eye on this blog in the meantime: http://www.soccerbyives.net/

He does a rundown of how americans abroad fare for their club teams.  Gives you a sense of how everyone is doing.  Don't get discouraged when a lot of really young guys don't score or play every week.  Just be happy they're playing in a good european league, not too long ago that was rare.

Also, here's another one I found during this WC: http://starsandgripes.wordpress.com/

 

If you have good cable and get fox soccer channel, make sure you're recording the EPL review show.  It's a great setup, you see all the top plays but you get to watch them develop too so you get a good feel for the games unlike wham/bam sportscenter soccer highlights.  From there you'll probably start figuring out which teams you like.  Too bad it's only EPL though.

Yinka Double Dare

July 14th, 2010 at 3:27 PM ^

The continental championships will happen over the summers of 2011 and 2012 (winners playing in the FIFA Confederations Cup in 2013).  The European leagues play from about August to May, MLS plays from like March to October or something, you have Champions League and Europa League, league/national cup competitions, World Cup qualifying, etc.  There's always something going on.

Transatlantic Flight

July 14th, 2010 at 3:28 PM ^

I was actually debating about posting a few diaries giving a general overview of non-World Cup Soccer/Soccer Strategies/Other General What-Have-You. 

Possible ideas I have at the moment:

Look-back at what was and wasn't successful at the World Cup 

Analyzing the future of USMNT

Overviewing club leagues/tournaments around the world

This would probably take place in the remainder of the offseason and/or after the National Championship Football is played in January.

 

maizenbluedevil

July 14th, 2010 at 3:51 PM ^

That would be awesome.

Speaking for myself...  and I'm guessing this is the case with others who don't follow soccer as well...  part of what's kept me from really following it in the past is a lack of familiarity with the overall structure of the sport....  the various European club leagues, the calendar (what happens when) etc.  To follow a sport you really kind of have to be familiar with the overall landscape, so that things have context.  In soccer, not only is all of this foreign, but to the outsider seems complex compared to other sports.  Plus, it's not covered regularlay on sports channels like the other sports are.

So, anyhow, some overview posts like that would be very helpful.

Plus I still don't understand what the hell offsides is.

PurpleStuff

July 14th, 2010 at 6:06 PM ^

One thing that can be confusing for newcomers is the simultaneous competitions going on throughout the European club season.  The league season basically just involves playing every other team in your league home and away (comes to 38 games in England, Italy, Spain).  You get three points for a win, a point for a draw, and at the end of the season whoever has the most points is the league champion.  There are also different levels (in England the Championship is the next step down below the Premiere League, followed by League 1, 2, etc.).  At the end of the season, the bottom few teams are relegated (sent down to play in the lower division the following season) while the top few teams get to move up to the next highest division (though the mechanics of this can differ from country to country).

Then countries will also have a domestic cup competition (FA Cup in England) which is basically a one-off knockout competition for every team at all levels (with the top teams getting byes to later rounds) eventually leading up to a final held at the national stadium at th end of the season (late May).  Some countries even have a second cup competition (with nearly the identical format but with fewer low level teams getting invited to participate) that teams tend not to take as seriously (Manchester United played mostly second string guys even after reaching the finals of this competition a few years ago).

On top of all that, the top teams from the various European Leagues play in the Champions League (formerly European Cup) or the lower level Europa League (formerly UEFA Cup).  The number of spots each country gets in these competitions is based on how well they have performed historically and this is another thing to watch during the league season (in England, for example, the top four teams in the league standings make the Champions League the following season and the next three or so make the Europa League).

Hope some of that helps.  Really the more you watch the easier this will be to figure out.  It probably seems insane right now but can soon be second nature.

Needs

July 14th, 2010 at 6:40 PM ^

I think the most confusing aspect of the sport for new fans is the transfer system and the economics of the game, since fans from the US are used to player trades. Basically, the movement of players is a gigantic market that takes up a great deal of the newspaper commontary about the sport.

Players are more or less commodities with specific monetary values attached by their teams (you may have heard them referring to Donovan as being valued at $10 million by the Galaxy). That's the fee required for another team to purchase the player's rights. The numbers are generally known but are negotiated over by the teams. The players can refuse transfers but they generally don't, given they get (I believe) 10% of the transfer fee. Players also then have contracts with the teams as well but a transfer can up their earnings considerably.

There are specific windows, set by FIFA, in which transfers can take place. We're in one now that runs to about the middle of August (unsure about this). There's another one in the winter. Rumors fly wildly just before and during those windows about whether transfers will take place. Right now the hottest speculation is over whether Cesc Fabregas will transfer from Arsenal to Barcelona.

Players can also be loaned out from clubs that hold their rights to other clubs, either to get them more experience or to defray the cost of their wages for teams that no longer want a particular player. Loans will often be extended tryouts that allow a team to determine if they want to purchase a player.

PurpleStuff

July 14th, 2010 at 6:51 PM ^

August 31 is the deadline for the big European leagues (a few weeks into the season).  The mid-season window occurs throughout the month of January. 

The easiest way to think about it is that players are bought/sold rather than traded (though they have to agree to a contract with the new team for the deal to go through).  It makes for a much more fluid system (superstar players swap clubs all the time).  Clubs are also more likely to sell a dissatisfied player (or one they don't think they will be able to afford going forward) before his contract runs out (at which point he could leave for free) so that they can get some value in return and can just use that money to buy the player/players they want to replace him (though player swaps do take place from time to time).

mmc22

July 15th, 2010 at 10:51 AM ^

To understand the soccer system outside US is a little complicated for somebody born and raised here. All the sports in general are structured different then here. A professional club can have more than one sport, kind of like a university here (examples: FC Barcelona, Partizan Belgrade, Panathinaikos Athens).

Another difference is teams are discovering and developing their own players. There is no annual draft because each team has its own farm system where they develop players from a very young age, in some cases 7-8 years old. High school and college sports are not popular because all the great players are already participating in other competitions involving their teams.

UMQuadz05

July 14th, 2010 at 3:29 PM ^

A lot of energy will now be focused on Americans playing for club teams in MLS and Europe.  It's actually awesome- like following BG on the Eagles, but he gets to come back and play at homecoming every other year. 

davking1980

July 14th, 2010 at 3:33 PM ^

on August 10th in New Jersey.  Given the World Cup and most players beginning preparations for their respective club seasons, it's debatable how many of the recognizable names for either side will be there.  I would think the U.S. or Mexico based players would likely be there (Donovan, Buddle, Findlay, Torres, Gomez), but I would question if the guys that play on European club teams (Onyewu, Dempsey, Holden, etc.) will be there.  Maybe we could see the return of Charlie Davies to the USMNT.....

jamiemac

July 14th, 2010 at 3:40 PM ^

That's a tremendous question.

The JCB might be the place to get your soccer fix. I've cajoled a few writers into contributing and in addition to being a college football and basketball blog, we'll be adding soccer as a third sport, following the international and euro club scenes mostly. Give us time to grow, but by the time the EPL season begins in the middle of the next month, you'll see several posts a week over there devoted to the sport. And, since I've enlisted helpers, it wont take me away from the college football or hoops, so you wont see a drop off there at all.

The blog will also keep tabs on the US Men's National Team. We had a final obit on the 2010 squad last week and that same talented writer who produced that post will be taking a deep, deep look at the future of the defensive back line. Look for it to post either tomorrow afternoon or Friday.

Like Yinka said, there's always some soccer going on, rare and short the offseason days are, which I why I've added the sport as a JCB 'beat' so I hope people will keep checking it out.

Otherwiise, dodgyatbest, dave's football blog and zonal marking are pretty good soccer reads. Not to mention Run Of Play.  And, epltalk.com. Between all those, its a good rotation of soccer blogs with differing focuses.

ken725

July 14th, 2010 at 4:29 PM ^

If you are looking for USMNT blog and US Soccer in general the following blogs are worth the look:

http://www.matchfitusa.com/,  http://www.ussoccerdaily.com/, http://www.soccerbyives.net/soccer_by_ives/, http://usa10kit.com/, http://www.yanksarecoming.com/, http://yankssoccer.com/

Also goal.com is good for anything soccer related.

What's next?

Resigning Bradley or finding a new coach for the next cycle.  Also we should try to secure players who have the option for playing for the US or other countries.  Players like Mwanga (Congo) and Najar (Honduras) both play in the MLS and may be able to play for the US. 

This article might help explain the future for US Soccer.

http://yankssoccer.com/looking-south-the-shifting-focus-of-the-u-s-u-20…

maizenbluedevil

July 14th, 2010 at 8:01 PM ^

Re. Bradley - (and if this is a dumb question, please be gentle as I'm a soccer noob)  What exactly has he done wrong?  IIRC, in our game against Algeria he had to make that early substitution, which indicated he didn't adjust based on the previous game, but other than that, hasn't his tenure been relatively successful?  Didn't the US do well in the confed cup last go-round?

Also, how is it that players the players you mentioned could play for the US or for another country?  Is it that they have duel citizenship in US and the other country, or, are they eligible to play for the US merely based on the fact that they play here professionally? 

Thanks for the links and informative post!!

jmblue

July 14th, 2010 at 8:18 PM ^

To represent a country, you need to hold its nationality and have not played on the senior team of any other country. (You are permitted to play for a youth team of one nation and then the senior team of another.) Any foreign player in the MLS has to get a green card to live/work here, so after five years, said player would be eligible for U.S. citizenship. He could then play for the USMNT if he hasn't played for any other country. This is also true in international basketball; Hakeem Olajuwon (who had represented Nigeria at the youth level) became a naturalized U.S. citizen and played for us in the '96 Olympics. The rules of citizenship vary from one country to another, and there have been cases of countries expediting the citizenship of foreign-born players to make them eligible to play internationally. FIFA has proposed new eligibility rules that would require a player to have lived in the country a certain number of years first.

Transatlantic Flight

July 14th, 2010 at 8:19 PM ^

He hasn't necessarily done anything horribly wrong outside of choosing a poor squad to face Ghana in the Round of 16. The larger issue at hand is just generally looking towards the future. An ESPN blogger (don't remember which one) commented at the end of the tournament that "the US needs to stop being satisfied with just qualifying for the knockout round". Bradley isn't going to take the team to the next level, and if we can find someone who can he's likely gone.

PurpleStuff

July 14th, 2010 at 8:24 PM ^

Bradley made some woeful errors both in terms of the formation he attempted to play and the players he selected.  The US does not have a very strong defensive group, but instead of playing an extra defensive-minded central midfielder to offer them support, he played two out and out strikers (something even attack oriented fantastic teams like Spain, Germany, and Holland never did in this World Cup).  This despite the fact that his options for that second striker position were extremely limited (the guy he picked, Robbie Findley, is not even a good player by MLS standards and proved virtually useless throughout the World Cup) and the fact that he had two wide midfield players in Donovan and Dempsey who are far more likely to score than any striker on the US bench and both regularly come into the center of the park to make plays.  On top of that, he chose to play Ricardo Clark (a player coming off an injury riddled season that saw him make only three league appearances for his club team) instead of Maurice Edu (who played regularly and very well down the stretch for Scottish champions Rangers). 

These errors pretty much directly led to the US conceding goals immediately against England, Slovakia, and Ghana.  Then to rub salt in the wound, Bradley's (correct) strategy for increasing the team's offensive output involved taking off the striker he never should have put out there in the first place in exchange for a wide midfield player. 

As far as who guys can play for, FIFA has a series of rules that allow players with a certain degree of ancestry from multiple countries to pick the one they will represent (though once they decide they can't switch).  Zinedine Zidane, for example, was raised in France by Algerian parents and could have decided to represent either country.  Similarly, Freddy Adu (born in Ghana but now a US citizen) chose the US over Ghana while Giuseppe Rossi (born in US to Italian immigrants but moved back to Italy as teenager to play professionally) chose Italy over the US.

FGB

July 14th, 2010 at 8:30 PM ^

standpoint, I believe Bradley's tenure is the most successful ever (notwithstanding Bruce Arena got slightly further in the World Cup in 2002).

However, people (rightly or wrongly) felt that we were underperforming a lot over the last few years, and throughout World Cup qualifying we had many very shaky performances against lesser opposition (lost to Costa Rica, tied El Salvador, had to come back against Honduras). The Confed Cup was nice, but really a fluke, we lost 2 out of 3 in the group stage, but due to tiebreaking rules we squeaked past the first round on goal difference after Brazil destroyed Italy. We played well against Spain and Brazil but we really shouldn't have even been there to begin with.

And Bradley showed an almost unbelieveable faith in certain players who clearly were not international caliber, like Sacha Kljestan, Damarcus Beasley, Bornstein/Pearce (although I suppose Bornstein got the last laugh), while not playing others, like Holden and Torres, enough.

Again, a lot of it is subjective, and it's not different than people finding fault with Rodriguez, or Tressel, or Dantonio. There are arguments on both sides as to how "good" a coach is, but ultimately, most don't stay in one place more than 4 years anyway, so he's probably gone no matter what.

FGB

July 14th, 2010 at 8:16 PM ^

to http://soccer.fakesigi.com/, who is criminally under-read.

As opposed to Ives (lots of info, painful analysis) Fake Sigi posts much less often, but quality up and down with thoughtful analysis and humor.

And over the summer he suggested an admiration for MGoBlog, so clearly he's a fan of this site (or Brian at least), which should be evidence enough that he's a worthwhile read.

http://soccer.fakesigi.com/2010/06/fine-time-to-take-breather.html

Plus based on his long-winded takedown of the new MLS website, he's clearly a computer nerd, which should appeal to this board.

PurpleStuff

July 14th, 2010 at 5:44 PM ^

Scottish champions Rangers FC have sold holding midfielder Kevin Thomson.  This means there is a very good chance that Maurice Edu will be starting and/or featuring prominently for Rangers during the group stage of the Champions League this season.  I think he would be the first American to get significant playing time at that level (Demarcus Beasley made just a few appearances) and he should be tested by some very good players.

If you are looking to follow international soccer (other national teams), qualification for the European Championships (final tournament is in 2012) begins in early September:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro_2012_qualifying

Copa America (South American championships) will be held next summer as will the CONCACAF Gold Cup (championship for North and Central America along with the Carribean, which basically just means US v Mexico in the final).

As others have mentioned, the European club season kicks off in about a month, but now is an exciting time for player movement, gossip, and rumors as we are in the midst of the summer transfer window.  You can follow closely at the BBC Sport website (click on gossip for the latest) or at http://www.skysports.com/football/ (use their transfer clockwatch for live updates throughout the day).

 

Needs

July 14th, 2010 at 6:03 PM ^

Beasely played pretty extensively in the Champions League when PSV made their run (to the semi-finals?) I seem to recall him having some key goals. That was before his knee got screwed up. But that's good new for Edu regardless. Do you think he'll be the first-choice starter?

EDIT: Just checked, Beasely actually led PSV in scoring in the Champions League, with four goals.

 

www.bigsoccer.com is a message board that provides extensive coverage of "Yanks Abroad" on the forum of that name. Be warned, though, there's a very high noise to signal ratio. The play by play threads are usually the least filled with insane blather and give a general sense of what's going on.

PurpleStuff

July 14th, 2010 at 6:30 PM ^

I think Reyna played some in the Champions League for Rangers as well, now that I think about it. 

Edu should be the starter throughout the season.  Rangers have zero money so I don't see them adding anyone noticeably better and Steven Davis is really the only other central midfield type player I see on their roster who has played extensively (to go along with Lee McCullough), now that Thomson is off to Boro.  Especially considering they are likely to play a defensive minded game in the Champions League, I see Edu getting a lot of playing time throughout the group stage.

Tha Quiet Storm

July 14th, 2010 at 6:27 PM ^

Soccer By Ives almost every day and goal.com usually has some interesting articles ( although the comments are mlive/espn-esque).

And as a bit of shameless self-promotion, here's my blog that I started a few weeks ago after toying with the idea for a while: http://32panels.wordpress.com/.  I deal mainly with the USMNT but also get into anything else noteworthy, club or international.