OT: Talking Cars Thursday - Head gasket repair and best older car for a short person

Submitted by The Man Down T… on August 1st, 2019 at 3:06 PM

I know this is typically a Tuesday thing but..  I found out that my daughter's car, a 1997 civic, likely has a cylinder head gasket issue.  Air is being blown into the coolant system and its forcing the coolant out the overflow all over the engine.  In my hunt for repairs I have come across 2 differing opinions.  The first is using Blue Devil Sealant. One mechanic says that it fixes the issue the other says it just gunks the system up. The second mechanic also says that since the gasket is a metallic gasket, it's likely the heads are either warped or cracked and needs replacing.  I have used and trust the opinions both of them.  My question to the cars folks is, have you heard of the Blue Devil sealant working or not working and is it time for a newer car as I'm seeing estimates of 1200 for the repair on car worth 1500.

 

Second part is, if it's time for a new car, what is the best car for a very short person.  My daughter is 4'8" and finished growing. In the Civic, she has to have her seat all the way up and is basically on top of the steering wheel.  I'm looking at a Versa or a Fit or the like, 2010 or older.  Any others you'd recommend?

 

Thanks!

JPC

August 1st, 2019 at 3:15 PM ^

I've always been of the opinion that "bad head gasket" = "machine head and block deck". 

As far as "short people cars", my sister is 4'11 and liked her mini cooper. However, any car with a telescoping steering wheel should work. 

Booted Blue in PA

August 1st, 2019 at 3:15 PM ^

In the old days..... if you replaced a head gasket, you were foolish to not have the heads milled.  That's a fuck of a lot of work to go through only to repeat the process....

Same logic as replacing a timing belt or chain without replacing the water pump.  Granted I'm referring to something manufactured in the '70's or '80's.

i would suspect engines are made with even less material these days, which would leave them much more likely to warp....

 

Hotel Putingrad

August 1st, 2019 at 3:32 PM ^

I'll admit I'm not the most mechanically inclined guy in the world, but why would you even attempt to repair a blown gasket on a 22 year-old car?

Do you also re-watch OSU classics on BTN?

Chairman Mao

August 1st, 2019 at 11:44 PM ^

I understand the emotional attachment to cars. I just rebuilt the head in one of my E30s. I had $500 into a camshaft, lifters and all the gaskets and seals. I pulled the head myself and had a machine shop resurface and reset the valves for I think $150. If your daughter loves the car that much I think it's worth it. Plus it's more eco friendly to keep a car on the road than to buy a new one. I keep using that as a way to justify spending money on old cars anyway. Not sure if true.

Fishbulb

August 1st, 2019 at 3:43 PM ^

That sealant is a band-aid at best. If that car is someone’s lifeline and has to be driven, then by all means give it a shot. Otherwise I’d sell it as-is. You’d likely find a mechanic or a hobbyist that will pick it up to try and repair.  

ajchien

August 1st, 2019 at 3:49 PM ^

My opinion. 

 

Hell no to the sealant.

 

I think you should look into the costs of head gasket repair with sending parts off to a machine shop vs. putting in a low mileage used engine. JDM is a decent source for japanese low mileage used engines. Their used engines usually have around 40-60k miles on them, carry a warranty, and are compression and leak down tested ahead of time. I probably wouldn't pull a used junkyard engine unless you knew the history of how that particular car was cared for. 

 

As for the possibility of getting a new car, I think that depends on the rest of the car. Im in California, a state with no rust. I'd have no problems putting a used engine into a 1997 car. Since Im on mgoblog, I used to live in Michigan. If the floor of my car was rusted out ... or if the entire frame of the car and all the suspension components were held together by rust ... it's time for a new vehicle. 

 

 

 

 

M-Dog

August 1st, 2019 at 4:07 PM ^

This same thing just happened to me last month . . . head gasket on a 1995 Honda Accord w/ 217,000 miles on it.

The mechanic I have is an independent shop guy that I have used for years.  Very trust-worthy.  Since it is an old car, he always gives me the minimum viable repair and pricing. 

But in this case, he said that it would be over $1000 to fix it.  It's not overly-complicated, but it is a labor intensive repair.  I did not ask about sealant, but if it was an option, he likely would have told me about it.

So, a $1000+ repair just was not worth it on a car that old. 

No regrets, I got every last mile I could out of it (sounds like you have too).  But when it is time to close the book on an old car, it's time to close the book.

 

The Man Down T…

August 1st, 2019 at 4:41 PM ^

Yeah, mechanic number 2, the one saying no to the sealant, is my next door neighbor and has been my mechanic for years. He started at the Honda dealership. He knows his stuff and, more importantly, has put up with me for years lol.  I'll bet I could get a good price for the car even with the issue as the body and interior are pretty good.

JeepinBen

August 1st, 2019 at 4:13 PM ^

I've only heard good things about the Fit, it'll be about the size of her older Civic. Only issue with it is that it's not geared well and drones on the highway at speed.

I would NOT recommend the Versa - it's the cheapest new car on sale in America for a reason.

Mini Coopers are lots of fun, but they're just BMWs under the skin and come with the repair costs you'd expect from a German take on a British classic.

I'd say see how much adjustment there is in the driver's seat of whatever you're looking at. Odds are it would help no matter how tall or short your daughter is.

stephenrjking

August 1st, 2019 at 4:38 PM ^

Can’t argue with these guys. Old car, repair that costs as much as the value of the car... that sounds like a recipe to replace the car. 

If I had something like that I might keep it around to see if I could learn to replace the head gasket myself... but I’d replace it, since there’s a good chance I’d get stuck or mess up. 

Hail-Storm

August 1st, 2019 at 4:48 PM ^

Short person car.  My wife is not as short as your daughter, but she has a ford escape that I feel is well built for shorter stature.  I have a relatively long torso, and even with the seat all the way down I still feel like I am far too high for the steering wheel. I'd check the small SUV (Escape, Rav 4) to see how these fit. 

Wolverdirt

August 1st, 2019 at 4:54 PM ^

Lots of smaller suvs out there that would work well for little folks. My oldest daughter isn’t much taller and her ‘08 Santa Fe is a good fit. Has a decent safety rating as well.

edit: funny how someone with the same point is always chiming in at about the same time

LakeAnnBlue

August 1st, 2019 at 5:12 PM ^

It's at most a 6 hour repair. Another $150 in parts plus $75-100 for machine work. Is the car in good shape other than the head gasket? If it doesn't need a bunch other work its worth fixing.

My daughter is 4'10" and drives a 2001 Honda Accord and I have done plenty of repairs to keep it on the road. It is in good shape for being a Michigan car. 

MgoHillbilly

August 1st, 2019 at 5:41 PM ^

I'm going to go in the opposite direction and suggest you get her a truck. You can get aftermarket side steps to ease getting in and out, but they are useful, safe, have a lot of mass for her protection, and allow for an upright seating position with good view of the road.

Cruzcontrol75

August 1st, 2019 at 6:01 PM ^

having just bought a couple used cars this year, I did most of my research on carcomplaints.com and came up with an '07 and  '06 Pontiac Vibe(Toyota Matrix) for both daughters.  This car is equipped with a solid I-4 1.8L Toyota engine.  The utility of a hatch-back with rear window which also opens up.  rear seats clad with hard plastic backs which both fold flat as well as a front passenger seat which also folds down.   can be found w/ AWD, manual trans also available, both of ours have sunroof.  a 110V outlet is standard.   Avoid the '09 model which has problems with excessive oil consumption.  these vehicles replaced an '02 Buick Regal and '04 Civic with high mileage.  both of those were great cars as well.   

Chairman Mao

August 1st, 2019 at 11:50 PM ^

My wife bought a 2007 Vibe and absolutely loves it. She did a lot of research into the purchase and that's what she wanted. We bout one with 40,000 miles and a rebuilt title. After some shrewd negotiating my wife got it for 3,800. This was 3 years ago and she hasn't had a problem yet. I'd recommend the Vibe to anyone.

Kevin13

August 1st, 2019 at 6:20 PM ^

I wouldn’t spen much money on repairing that old of a car. Time to replace. Might try a compact SUV so she sits up a little and can see better. I would suggest a RAV4 or CRV

turtleboy

August 1st, 2019 at 6:23 PM ^

Actually, yes. There's a really good mechanic channel on YouTube where the man has broken down various different car categories to buy, based on his experiences repairing them. He has several recommendations for compact vehicles he routinely sees approaching 300k miles.

If this video doesn't provide what you're looking for, he has several others, and even if they don't provide the car you buy, he does an excellent job demonstrating what to look for in a reliable used vehicle, at the least. 

 https://youtu.be/dwuCtBfNVQ4

My personal advice: if not new or without warranty, I'd generally avoid anything with a CVT, too many electronics, or an infotainment system. Mechanical systems are typically more reliable, infotainment systems on older used cars often glitch, typically aren't repairable or patchable, and are expensive to replace, especially if they're the only way to access your climate controls, for example, so you can't buy aftermarket, etc, and need to drop more than $1000 on a factory replacement.

Edit: I'd also seriously look into getting pedal extensions for whichever car you buy, as sitting too close to the steering wheel can injure her if the airbag ever goes off. Even people who don't sit as close as that routinely receive burns, broken noses, and the like from them. 

drjaws

August 1st, 2019 at 9:08 PM ^

My daughter is 5’3” and just got a 2015 Versa as her “grad gift”

 

she he loves it.  i love the fact that it’s a 4 cylinder, so it doesn’t go fast, and is relatively cheap to insure. 

wolverinebutt

August 1st, 2019 at 9:24 PM ^

I've had several Honda's(not a fit) are they are great cars.  I did have a Toyota Echo and the clearance/small tires were not good in the winter.  I run snow tires in the winter to fix that issue.  You might want to stick with a Civic.  Good luck!!!