Charles Robinson and Pat Forde posted a new article over at Yahoo.
In it Syracuse is accused of ignoring its own drug policy, and allowing ineligible players to play, or go unpunished. If the NCAA agrees, they could be "willful violators" and have punishments that go all the way back to the 2001 season (which includes their National Title)
Just another item to add to Syracuse's growing issues (Bernie Fine, Fab Melo)
Not written in the article
Jim Boeheim fired?
It seems like he might need to be, considering he's battling a lawsuit that originated from him making statements that gave the school a huge black eye, and he's apparently now at the helm of a team charged with committing willful NCAA violations.
Edit: 2001? Goodbye to any records he's had; this is a good reason not to induct anyone into a hall of fame while they're still active.
Go Blue!
Couple things..
1. this is all hearsay until proven otherwise. See accuser #4, accuser #3; Bernie Fine investigation.
2. The information states
" 4 anonymous sources with intimate knowledge said that over the course of 10 years 10 players have tested positive for a banned recreational substance." I believe anonymous sources when they become sources.
Later in the article, they show the Syracuse guidelines for suspending a player, and there are only apparently 2 examples of players who should have been suspended. The numbers game here doesnt add up
" A former syracuse basketball player said he was questioned by the NCAA about Syracuse's drug testing policy". They fail to expound on what the player went on to say, or when that was.
Finally, Syracuse self-reported said violations. This means this is not a "bomb" that the NCAA is caught blindsided by. If a University WAS ignoring positive drug tests, im guessing they would do their damndest not to have anything come out about it.
All in all, with everything that went wacky with the Bernie Fine case, im willing to believe things only when everyhting is all said and done. (Initially a 4-accuser sexual assault case has turned into a 2 accuser slander case against an entirely different entity after stating "Im not after money". Seems Jim Boeheim might have called it right in the first place).
On the fifth night—possibly the sixth—a breeze arose.
It was cool and dewy.
Yea, I understand.
I emphasized the "might" in my head, but maybe it didn't come out that way. As in, it might be something Syracuse has to look into.
Still stand by what I say about HoF's though.
Go Blue!
Totally
understandable. Really dont think you should be in the hall of fame unless you are no longer involved with an active organization in any sport.
On the fifth night—possibly the sixth—a breeze arose.
It was cool and dewy.
Yahoo
Man... will they ever run out of bombs?
Home Page
Yahoo is my browser homepage - my number one source of all news. Some here at work scoff at me(the ones that watch scrolling stock tickers all day) but they're a--holes anyway.
Disgruntled former moderator. I got a lot of problems with you people!
Same here.
I only use Yahoo! for my homepage. While they have an absurd amount of articles with pointless content written by guys who would struggle getting a position as a reporter for a middle school newspaper, they're pretty quick to break important news and have an occassional gem of a piece as well.
I'm one of those guys with a scrolling stock ticker...
but Yahoo is still my homepage.
the school that recruited and
the school that recruited and introduced the world to Carmelo Anthony is dirty?
I want to show you something:
its my shocked face.
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its odd that just today
its odd that just today Beilein was on Jim Rome talking how much he owes Boeheim and what a great guy he is.
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meh... not sure I care if a
meh... not sure I care if a team's players all smoked weed before a game. Imagine how good they would have been if they hadn't been on drugs.
This coming from the guy that
This coming from the guy that handles the MGoApp? I see a drug test in your near future . . .
Disgruntled former moderator. I got a lot of problems with you people!
Brian doesn't have a drug policy
Did you ever wonder why all good Syracuse players are called "melo"?
They can do heroin on the bench...
for call I care. But if the AD/Boheim kept those results quiet, what else do they keep their mouths shut about?
Go Blue!
The only worry would be PED's
Since 'Cuse teams have almost always played with a lot more finesse than strength, PED's are sorta out of the question here. For example, I can't possibly see anyone making Derrick Coleman or Carmelo Anthony a poster child for "roid rage."
I'm sure someone can find one or two very strong players from 'Cuse, but there is no way anyone is going to find a pattern of cover-ups concerning PED's. As for other drugs, "College kid smokes pot" isn't a "man bites dog" story.
Recreational drugs make most athletes play worse: not better. Even if these kids were turning basketball into their own personal "X" games, they still didn't cheat to gain a competitive advantage.
This is much ado about nothing.
Just A Little Disconcerting...
"Big East associate commissioner for compliance Joseph D’Antonio told Yahoo! Sports last week that he doesn’t even know what the drug policies are from school to school within the league. Syracuse is a member of the Big East." - from the article
That's more than a little disquieting, especially given who said it. Hopefully, one of the lessons learned here is that there should be some shared standards so that teams can't exactly, well, go and do their own thing as Syracuse seems to have done. You would hope that schools within conferences, if not the whole of the NCAA, would be willing to come up with a unified policy on drug use.
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There's another way to read that.
The NCAA and/or conferences would only be setting minimum standards for drug policy, just like with eligibility. There's no reason schools can't be stricter. I presume many are, or would be.
Eating is murder.
Does anybody else find it
Does anybody else find it somewhat ironic that this story breaks one day after we celebrate winning a share of the B1G title for the first time since 1986?
For those of you too young to remember like I do our 1986 team was likewise known for......um.. ...um well.....partaking in the same "recreational drug use" that the Syracuse squad is now being accused of.
But that was the 80's, so it
But that was the 80's, so it was cool.
A few days after the UCLA
A few days after the UCLA expose comes out, now this. College programs are largely dirty in general, and it's a shame.
I am a huge Orange fan and
I am a huge Orange fan and ESPN just ran a promo of the top shots in Big East Tourney history where they showed one of G-Mac's buzzer beaters....man I love that guy.
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Syracuse? Who woulda guessed?
Syracuse? Who woulda guessed? That program has had the whiff of scumbaggery for as long as I can remember. And Boeheim has always seems like quite the humanitarian.
?
what?
Seriously... what?
Lately they have landed big name recruits, but from John Wallace to Carmelo Anthony (including a final 4 run) they signed 0 McDonalds AA. Not entirely sure how thats scumbaggery..
On the fifth night—possibly the sixth—a breeze arose.
It was cool and dewy.
Derrick Coleman
I'll never forget a crack Derrick Coleman made back in the 90's while a member of the 76ers. While they were discussing a player signed to one of those ridiculous 10 day NBA contracts he quipped, "I made more than that in college".
I don't know if it made national news, but it certainly was on the regional sports channels. That was my confirmation that Syracuse is dirty.
I'm absolutely amazed by the
I'm absolutely amazed by the lack of perspective here. Pat Forde is to Syracuse as Rosenberg is to Michigan.
Syracuse '03, Michigan G'05
Space bitches, space.
yup.
http://blog.syracuse.com/orangebasketball/2011/11/pat_forde_jim_boeheim_syracuse.html
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/news?slug=pf-forde_syracuse_boeheim_scandal_missteps_112911
Totally disregards the situation to burn Boeheim. I wont lie, there is almost no one who, when blindsided by something that big, would "know" how to act.
On the fifth night—possibly the sixth—a breeze arose.
It was cool and dewy.
But my guess is Yahoo started an investigation after the Fine news went public, and stumbled upon this.
History is written by the victors-Winston Churchill