I had a feeling he would get fined. But I didn't expect it to be that high.
OT - Ndamukong Suh fined $100,000 for illegal block
I think it was that high because of his previous fines. Kind of a warning.
which is a great way of injuring a knee or leg. I saw Suh use the same leg whip in college and really fucked up the guy he tackled.
If a player on ND or OSU did the same things to a Michigan player that Suh has done to opponents in the NFL you'd be screaming for his head, for good reason. He's a thug.
So we are basing the actuality of plays and hits being dirty off whether a player was hurt? So I guess when Denard got his helmet yanked and neck almost broken that wasnt a dirty play by Tom Gholston because Denard wasn't actually hurt? Suh is a dirty player and an idiot. Talented but an idiot.
I don't agree with the nhls system and this isn't the NHL it is the NFL. So I guess they just let him do whatever until somebody is harmed and potentially has their career ruined. You sound like an idiot defending this guy and defending Gholston is comical. You cite Peppers as breaking collarbones and tearing acls. Can you please post videos or evidence of these dirty plays he did to injure these guys?
Oh come on now, Peppers is a violent player but he's not usually as reckless as Suh. I don't see anything wrong with the hit on Stafford or the tackle on a slipping Calvin Johnson. The helmet to helmet hit on Rodgers is bad, but my god the other 2 tackles are football plays and aren't even close to dirty, this is coming from a pretty big Lions homer as well.
Suh has earned his reputation for the stomp and the Delhomme hit, the rest of his "transgressions" are a bit far fetched as is the 100k fine but he'll forever be defined for 2 dirty plays.
if it happens to a Lion its alright. if the lions gets within a foot of doing something illegal its the worse thing ever. And if it's Clay Matthews trying toe clothesline someone? That's just good aggressive play. Welcome to Roger Goodels NFL
The helmet to helmet is the only play that was dirty. Keep trying. Peppers does not have a rep as a dirty player and that has nothing to do with the fact that you think just because I guy doesn't get hurt or get hurts is the deciding factor of whether it is a dirty play. Was Deshawn Hand dirty with that WWE tackle he did on that kid in the video posted yesterday? Oh my gosh he picked him and slammed him!!!!!
You should have been my DUI lawyer a few years ago. I got popped doing 15mph over on an empty road in the middle of the night... way less damage than someone sober who actually gets in an accident.
I think the stuff against Cutler is bullshit but he's brought the rest upon himself. And this whole non-injury argument is BS. Ever hear of assault or attempted murder? Not to mention the groin kick to Schaub. This guy is getting harder and harder to defend.
I fuckin hate how people still insist that Suh hit Cutler in the back of the head and purposely kicked Schaub in the groin. That Cutler hit was directly on his nameplate, not his head, and there is no way you can intentionally kick someone in the groin when your being flipped over and not even looking at the the QB.
I admit that Suh has definitely had some dirty plays, there is no denying that, but those two were palys were not dirty. The fact that he got fined 100k for this block, which happens all the time, is pathetic. Should he have been fined? Yes. 100k, hell no. It also wasn't from behind, but from the side.
just as an FYI the" forearm shiver" to the head of Cutler was a shove in the back. look it up on YouTube as" s u h shoves cutler" and note that there a no comments that think it was a blow to the head. And lets not forget the legal tackle of Rhondda barber that was laughably called a horse collar. So that's 2 myths busted
Not to mention the hair tug that also got called a horse collar. Forget which RB that was. But dozens of players pull on someone's dreads and don't get called out as dirty for it.
The hit to Cutler's back was the stupidest thing. The fact that he actually got fined for that was utterly amazing. That was called playing football. Even most people who think Suh is a dirty bastard don't bother bringing up that play.
Well, except for the fact that the "Forearm shiver to the back of a QB's head" never actually hit the QB's head...
The "block" was pretty unnecessary and 5-10 away from the play. There was no way that lineman was going to have any impact on that play. But he dove at his knees from the blind side.
Everything Suh gets in trouble for seems to be after the whistle or away from the play. It is never really during the actual play.
I am pretty sure you would have defended Hernandez if he was on your team...
Was bullshit and stupid. Lineman 10-15 yards behind the play, linebacker has free run into end zone, and Suh dives at his knee from his side where he didn't see him. If it was a Viking doing it to a Lion, there would be a uproar.
Done by a guy with a history of cheap shots....MSU like if I may.
The defense of Suh sounds very homerish.
He's like Conrad Dobler dirty. He's Gholston dirty. He's Dirty Sanchez dirty. He's not the victim of some grand media conspiracy to call out an innocent player; his rep is dutifully earned.
That hit was exactly like the one Warren Sapp put on that Packers lineman that not only ended his career, but led to a permanent painful disability. Miracle things didn't end up the same way.
Actually, Chad Clifton returned and played 9 more seasons after being hit blindside by Sapp.
I assume you're talking about Chad Clifton.
And yet Warren Sapp is a highly respected analyst. So how did Sapp get such a respectable reputation?
Shocked (although not entirely) that anyone would defend Suh on this or any of his other plays. Guessing the same people didn't defend James Harrison over the last few years either.
He has proven to be a reckless and dirty player on multiple occasions. This was an unnecessary and dangerous play. Coming from behind a lineman, who had zero shot at the play and diving at his knees is reckless and dangerous. And of course his reputation hurts. Any repeat offender will get a harsher penalty than a first offense. He has done stupid things and he has done inexcusable things in his brief NFL career and does not get any benefit of the doubt, deservedly so.
Holy crap that's a huge fine. That's a -- we're done taking crap from you, kinda fine.
Btw -- what does the league do with that money?
"Player fine money is used to support retired player programs, as well as other charitable causes as agreed upon between the NFL and NFL Players Association," said David Krichavsky, the NFL's director of community affairs. "Every letter notifying the player of a fine indicates where the fine money goes. I have gotten feedback from players who don't like writing the check to the NFL, but they are pleased to know it does not go back into our coffers but to charitable organizations."
Suh's salary is $10.4 million
This fine is a childish joke. Had he busted Sullivan's knee Suh might have been sued for 5 to 10 times that amount.
The fine is cheaper then a suspension. If he missed a game he would've lost out on $650,000. That is of course if they lose their pay for a game suspension which I'm assuming they do.
Suh's contract is structured such that he makes about $40k per game. All other monies are paid out in bonus. Suh lost money playing Sunday because of the fine.
I love the Lions, but the nonsense with Suh was old a while ago. He needs to use his head a little more often.
So is Suh just going to get fined for any personal foul call now? There are usually a few personal fouls in every game, many (face mask, late hits) of which have potential to injure, and I don't see several players being fined per game.
Not defending the play, per se, just saying that this seems more like your standard personal foul and less like the other stuff that Suh was justifiably suspended for. Just seems kind of bogus that they assume intent to injure on THIS play based on some stuff he did last year.
He's kind of like a lady with a reputation.
My thoughts exactly. I get that he has a reputation, but does that mean every personal foul he commits warrants league intervention from now on? If he gets a little aggressive and roughs the passer sometime mid-season, do they suspend him 2 games or fine him $200k? So ridiculous. At some point you have to move on and understand that a huge, strong DT is going to occasionally get a personal foul. Where does it end?
Gee....I wonder what kind of fine Mathews gets for his flying clothesline. I'm going upwards of maybe $45.00 cash money.
The NFL officiating is a wholly owned subsidiary of Roger" King Roger I" Goodell Inc. and the Packers are one of his boys. Remember how the Pack got away with internationally taking out D el mas knees a few thanksgiving ago and no comment. And Dietch-Smith's line play (which is how he's a starter in greenback but somehow gets cut in Carolina...oh wait Car isn't part of the Goodell club)
I hate autocorrect on my phone...so n of a b itch droid...
So go back and fix it next time.
I have it on good authority that Goodell (more like Greenbaydelldouche, am I right?!) is in favor of contraction for the Lions. Expect the league to be reduced to 31 teams within the next four weeks, with Calvin being sent to the Packers. They're just working out the logistics for scheduling. Probably giving the Pack 12 bye weeks and a bye to the Super Bowl. Take it to the bank.
"Including today's fine, Suh has lost more than $342,000 in fines and missed game checks due to player-safety violations. He's made more than $51.7 million in his career from the Lions so far."
There was something that was mentioned on Twitter that I found interesting with regards to the fine versus the salary. To put the cumulative total in perspective, Kyle Meinke tweeted this afternoon about how this was akin to the average person being fined something just short of about $60 (I believe that was the figure) over the course of four years.
Work on their math. Suh has paid out about 0.7% of 4 year's salary. If a person made say $60k a year, that would be $1680 in fines over 4 years. That would be a lot of speeding tickets.
I used to work with John Sullivan's dad - he was a really lovely man.
( "/coolstorybro" ??)
He's just blocking how every o-line blocks when they cut block. No matter where it's done at its still surprising to the blocked player. I agree with fining him but that's just insane.
He's pretty much a Bond villiain at this point
and just call him a disgrace. Which he is.
I would just like the NFL to explain why the Joe Looney hit on Kevin Williams was clean and this hit warranted a $100k fine. They seem quite similar to me.
Edit: double post. Sorry.
This is obviously a result of his past reputation, but I see nothing in that hit that would qualify as overly dirty. It was an illegal hit and he should be punished accordingly, but "dirty" implies some intent to injure that just didn't seem present. I mean, Clay Mathews dived at a guy clearly out of bounds and tried to knock his head off; I've yet to hear the cries of dirtiness.
I guess my problem with the NFL is that it has such a sliding scale for punishment that it feels arbitrary. You look at some of these games in the trenches and you see offensive linemen absolutely demolishing tackles and going for knees and chop blocks, yet you don't see those players dragged out before the public for execution. I'm not saying Suh isn't an idiot sometimes out there, but Rodney Harrison, a player known for going after players' heads with an intent to seriously injure, is on TV every week talking about "hard nosed" defense and crap like that. It just feels like PR plays a huge role in who gets punished and who doesn't, and Suh's sometimes-dominant play gets overshadowed because he isn't viewed as a chosen son by certain people in the NFL world.
It was (yet another) stupid move by Suh, and it really in no way could've benefited the team. The center had no chance of catching the ball carrier, and Suh could've easily just manhandled him, but I also think the fine is grossly excessive. That type of play was legal only last season, and Suh was positioned beside him, where doing so positioned just slightly ahead would've been perfectly legal.
Suh is no James Harrison, here. He's made a few boneheaded lapses of judgement, and been undisciplined in the past, but he's also been falsely or improperly fined in the past, too. (Pulling a guy down by the dreads or shoulder pad and getting called for horsecollar tackles, or shoving Cutler down on his back and getting called for a blow to the head, for example) This is honestly a grey area penalty they're attributing a humongous fine to.
hits SF's QB after he is 2 yards out of bounds and no fine? Not mention it was a horse collar tackle and went for his head/neck area. But Suh gets a 100k fine, sounds logical.
If you're still pursuing the play, you're fair game to get blocked. If you're out of the play, stop pursuing. It's not contingent on the blocker to determine if you're not able to make a play and not touch you. That said, blocking a guy low can always be questioned.
Thank you. Suh shouldn't have hit him low but if he'd just blocked him regular, would anyone say "what a stupid thing to do?" Give me a player who doesn't stop playing when the ball moves past him, at least.
It's dirty. If he just blindsides him, it's still a penalty but I can live with it. Him diving at the knee was a uncalled for, dirty, bush league move.
he has shown over and over to be a very dirty player. I would have suspended him without pay for the season.That "block" was ridiculous.
Penalty deserved? Yes. Fine? No.
During the Michigan football season, why is an NFL topic allowed to escape moderation? Isn't there a rule about that? What does Ndamukong Suh, or the Detroit Lions have to do with Michigan athletics or the collegiate football scene?
From the FAQ:
We will let pro sports topics slide even during football season but "everything else" posts are likely to get the axe.
- Pro sports of any variety
- Everything else
We will let pro sports topics slide even during football season but "everything else" posts are likely to get the axe.
So, I was right.
There is a rule, and the rule is that pro sports are Off-Topic and OT is generally banned during Michigan's football season. I was correct about the rule.
But, as with many things MGoBoard, the rule is observed mostly in the breach ("We will let pro sports topics slide...) for a generally like-minded group of sports fans who all like the same team and share the same sort of groupthink about most things.
Except it clearly states there's an exception for pro-sports. Aren't you supposed to be an attorney? And of course there are going to be more topics about Detroit pro-sports on a blog about the University of Michigan as there are many fans from the state of Michigan.
Your panties. Get them out of a bunch.
...the rule is clear. You can read the rule. The clear thing about the rule is that pro sports are Off Topic. But the enforcement part is apparently made up on the fly. It is a rule that can be enforced, it would seem, whenever they wish to enforce it. Or conversely, as it is said, "let it slide."
I'm not completely disillusioned by that vagueness; although if it really were a matter of law, it would never fly. The fact is that the notion of any rules whatsoever on the MGoBoard is a bit of myth. The Board is closer to 97.1 call-ins, than the Oxford Debating Society. It is all about entertainment of the target demo.
It's not a rule they don't enforce, it's a rule with an exception. Pro Sports are always OT, all year round (and should be labeled OT all year around). All OT things will be taken down during the football season, EXCEPT for pro sports, which will be left up, but still should be labeled OT, as it is OT. (As long as not too OT or redudant). As a matter of law, think of it as killing is against the law. Unless you're doing it in self-defense. That's the exception (in broad terms). There are also minor exceptions for big events of one sort or another. (Bin Laden dead, for example).
Just because you forgot, never learned or paid attention, or just don't understand it doesn't mean it's "made up on the fly." It just means you were wrong.
I know what I have always known. The "rules" in the end are whatever the mods want them to be; whatever works, to promote the entertainment value of the MGoBoard.
Well, yeah. You say that like it's a criticism and you've been deeply betrayed. This isn't fine art.
How were you right when you didn't make a single statement in your post? Every sentence was a question, and the first question was answered.