OT: Michigan Stadium - Is it loud? What are your thoughts about the atmosphere?

Submitted by Amazinblu on December 12th, 2023 at 12:57 PM

Comments in another thread triggered a thought - which is - What's the atmosphere like in Michigan Stadium?

I'm old school and remember the time before the boxes were added to the east and west sides of the stadium.   There were a couple of thoughts back then - and, one was - the noise level on the field was "not so loud" - so, Michigan was a "wine and cheese" crowd.   Part of the answer reflected the shape of the bowl - which is parabolic.   One view (before the addition) was - the noise from one side of the stadium bounced off the opposing side and reflected "upward" (because of the parabolic shape) - the result being - at the focal point - a hundred or more yards above the playing surface, it was incredibly loud - but, the playing surface didn't capture that.

Then, of course - the boxes were added - the facade / face of the boxes are at an angle facing downward toward the field - which results in the sound from the east and west sides hitting the facades and reflecting downward to the playing surface.

I recall one of the UTL games.   A friend of mine was on the ND staff - and, after the game, one of his comments was - I've never been in a stadium that loud.

The UTL games were great environments - and, the past two OSU games in Ann Arbor were quite special too.   I think the Michigan v OSU game in '21 was the best environment for a sporting event that I've ever attended.

My question is:  What do you think of Michigan Stadium and the environment?   Is it loud - when it needs to be?   Can you tell a difference?  (Especially if you go back a few years to "before" the boxes were added.)

Prospects who visited The Game have also commented on the atmosphere.   Do you think it can impact their decision?

I love the look of the stadium - and, the noise level against key opponents.   I especially enjoyed the procedural infractions on the Buckeyes in '21 - which, I think were indicative of just how loud Michigan Stadium can be.

Go Blue!

shoes

December 12th, 2023 at 3:01 PM ^

How many times? How about never? I've been going to games since 1969. I don't contend that never happens though, but it has never happened where my seats have been and  I have been almost everywhere at one time or another. if I could do away with one thing though it would be the beach balls- they should never come out except in a rout late in the game-nevr when the score is close. 

bluebyyou

December 12th, 2023 at 1:42 PM ^

Beaver Stadium is an old pile of trash that needed to be updated or replaced quite some time ago. With the money PSU takes in, one would think they could and should do better.  State College is also meh,,,it is in the middle of nowhere and looks it.  A small improvement over the cow pasture it once was.

UTL I was off the charts loud because of what transpired over the last minute+ of the game and that is was ND.  It was a perfect night weather-wise, a historic event and when it ended none of us wanted to leave.  There are games and then there are games - in recent memory, OSU in A2 2021 and this year had the same feeling. 

If Michigan Stadium gives up a small bit on noise level it is a first rate facility.  Drive or walk around the Stadium and look at the quality brick work. Inside because it is a bowl, with the exception of goal posts, your view is unobstructed. The golf course and Pioneer provide a great and ultraconvenient way to tail gate.  It's also close to I-94 and DTW.

Perkis-Size Me

December 12th, 2023 at 3:43 PM ^

I think I read the only reason they are even doing it is so they can bring the stadium "up to code," as it were, to be able to host a CFP game. 

Apparently the infrastructure of the stadium, like pipe insulation, winterization work, etc., is not where it needs to be to be able to host a game that late into the year when it will be even colder, and likely be getting played at night. 

Which makes sense, considering as other people here have said, the stadium is an ugly looking erector set that looks like it could collapse on itself at any point. 

Amazinblu

December 12th, 2023 at 2:53 PM ^

PSU appears to be discussing a major renovation to Beaver Stadium - $ 700M - which will be completed prior to the 2027 season.

And, a bit of trivia about their place that I didn't realize - it does have erector set characteristics.  It's been broken down and reassembled - already.

"After the 1959 season, New Beaver Field was dismantled and in 700 pieces was moved a mile-and-a-half to its current site, where it was reassembled beneath a new superstructure and christened Beaver Stadium"

NittanyFan

December 12th, 2023 at 4:17 PM ^

Yep!  Back in the day, Beaver Field was right by where the Nittany Lion Statue is now (for those familiar with the campus).

In a way, the stadium's "erector set" look is a monument to PSU having good teams, and thus growing attendance, in the back half of the last century.  It was expanded in 1972, 1978, 1985, 1991 and 2001 - that's a lot of separate "bolt-ons."  It is what it is at this point: the future renovations will definitely help.

doughboy

December 12th, 2023 at 2:18 PM ^

That’s a good thought to have the words on the Big Screens so all can sing.  I usually only hear old alum and fellow Glee clubbers singing it. 

The Yellow and Blue

(C. M. Gayley, M. W. Balfe)/Regents of the University of Michigan)

Sing to the colors that float in the light;
Hurrah for the Yellow and Blue!
Yellow the stars as they ride through the night
And reel in a rollicking crew;
Yellow the field where ripens the grain
And yellow the moon on the harvest wain;
-Hail!
Hail to the colors that float in the light
Hurrah for the Yellow and Blue!

Amazinblu

December 12th, 2023 at 2:48 PM ^

I love that song - and look forward to singing it.   

It's a little thing but - the Glee Club - when THEY sing "The Victors" and the "The Yellow and Blue" - it's extra special.

Since I know the words - I think I'm in the "old" bucket.   And, maybe I'll make sure my two children - who are current Michigan students" - won't be allowed to go to the Rose Bowl unless they can sing "The Yellow and Blue" on their own and "in tune".

MgoLurk

December 12th, 2023 at 1:07 PM ^

I would have to look it up, but I remember seeing a special or video of Penn State engineer's working to design their stadium rework to redirect more noise back down at the field. I feel like that is the thing we are missing most with the Big House. We lose so much noise that could affect the game on the field because of the open bowl with little to help redirect it to the field. Of course the stadium gets loud, but if we had structures or designs helping the noise get to the field and not out the top of the stadium, we could not only be the biggest but the loudest.

XM - Mt 1822

December 12th, 2023 at 1:07 PM ^

much improved.  vs ohio in 2021 it was the cause of 3 or 4 (IIRC) false start penalties by the pylons they called offensive linemen....

Image result for hutchinson waving ohio lineman over

i never played at the big house, but i did get to play in front of some pretty large crowds back in the day.  the crowd sound makes a difference.  

Oldadguy

December 12th, 2023 at 1:10 PM ^

Louder since they added the luxury boxes but quiet due to the open bowl. Go to a smaller stadium with upper decks and it's louder due to the decks. 

Mr. Robot

December 12th, 2023 at 1:10 PM ^

I get the impression that, on a game to game basis, we tend to be on the quieter side. Against opponents we don't perceive to be a threat, we just don't tend to get that loud.

At key moments against even middling opponents, and more importantly in big games though, we are as loud as anybody and neutral observers back that up. Home opener tends to be a little more hype too even if the opponent stinks.

Catchafire

December 12th, 2023 at 1:11 PM ^

I went to Beaver Stadium this year to show support after the whole "scandal's broke.  I got seats in the visitor section, and sat in the very last row.  It was LOUD.  I finally understood why the atmosphere at beaver is always rated so high.

The Big House can be loud, but it really isn't an intimidating loud.

Vasav

December 12th, 2023 at 1:14 PM ^

I was against the boxes when they got built for purely emotional/aesthetic reasons - I remember my first time going to the stadium as a freshman, wondering where the big house was hiding, and then walking in and seeing it all under my feet. It was just so cool.

But I think the boxes have made it louder, the sound reflect down. The atmosphere of the games reached an ebb in the Hoke era - in part because of quality of play, in part because of some of the...initiatives? of Dave Brandon. Nowadays I go back rarely but the atmosphere is great. Went to my first night game this year. My only complaint is that nothing seemed open after the game. Would love it if some local ordinances encouraged food and drink options to be open afterwards.

FB Dive

December 12th, 2023 at 1:15 PM ^

We're plenty loud when we need to be. The Big House's architectural design puts us at a disadvantage against places like Beaver Stadium, but I think it's a good tradeoff. The Big House is iconic; Beaver Stadium an ugly lump of concrete.

Dstroh1220

December 12th, 2023 at 1:16 PM ^

I think a lot of it has to do with the opponent and the time of day the game is played.  I really wish we were not stuck in the noon slot for the Ohio game.  I can only imagine how electric the atmosphere would be if it were a 3:30 kick off or in prime time.  

Billy Ray Valentine

December 12th, 2023 at 1:16 PM ^

My question is:  What do you think of Michigan Stadium and the environment?   Is it loud - when it needs to be?   Can you tell a difference?  (Especially if you go back a few years to "before" the boxes were added.)

It can be loud when it "needs to be," but Michigan Stadium unlikely will ever be the "loudest." The somewhat flat bowl angle, even with the angled structures, is just not acoustically conducive to maximizing volume. I've been consistently attending games since 1992, and yes, there is a noticeable difference since the sideline structures and giant scoreboards were added. This seems fairly obviously and not really in dispute.

Another contributing factor, imo, is the cramped nature of the bowl. I find it difficult for larger folks to truly unleash their excitement because many cannot freely move their arms.

If it were up to me, and money was not an issue, I'd widen all of the bowl seats, and I would add additional suite/covered structures in the endzones so that the scoreboards were fully framed. I'd aim to keep capacity the same or increased despite the seats being widened. In addition to angling the new endzone structures down, I'd also add additional noise-deflecting materials on the existing sideline structures. Finally, the South Endzone needs added speakers to increase the band presence and the piped-in music across the entire stadium.  

Billy Ray Valentine

December 12th, 2023 at 1:51 PM ^

Because the band is adjacent to the students near the North Endzone, the band's volume in the South Endzone, where I usually sit, is not great. I'm suggesting adding speakers to the South Endzone scoreboard to specifically amplify the band's volume when they are playing. There were several moments during the Ohio State game this year when the Ohio State band was playing at the same time as the Michigan band. I could barely hear the Michigan band when this happened. And in general, it's sometimes difficult to get the full band effect on the south side of the stadium. 

Maybe this is not possible, though. I guess the delayed band sound coming from the South Endzone could cause the sound in the North Endzone to be muddled? There has to be some legitimate reason why they decided to not include speakers on the new south scoreboard. https://247sports.com/college/michigan/article/michigan-stadium-new-scoreboards-lights-audio-system-the-inside-scoop-about-the-big-house-upgrades-213537934/

MadMonkey

December 12th, 2023 at 1:20 PM ^

Loudest football stadium I have personally watched a game is Seattle (Lumen Field f/k/a Century Link when I attended -- 2nd loudest in the NFL at 137.6 db). The noise was extremely uncomfortable.  Apparently, Arrowhead is the loudest in the NFL at 142.2 decibels (i.e., above the "human pain threshold" and very dangerous).

You just need to travel north across town to the loudest college football stadium.  University of Washington recorded 133.6 decibels against Nebraska (pre- Scott Frost).  By comparison, Michigan apparently has recorded 110 decibels -- loud as metal band, but quiet enough that your ears won't bleed.

Soulfire21

December 12th, 2023 at 1:20 PM ^

Generally it’s quieter than one would expect for 110,000+ people.

Logistically the bowl is great, but it certainly does not trap sound in like a lot of other stadiums.

FieldingBLUE

December 12th, 2023 at 1:20 PM ^

It also depends on the vibe in your section. My section used to be kind of "sit down" bluehairs heavy 15 years ago, but now is more vibrant and young. We are on a corner so even against lesser opponents, we tend to stand most of the time and it's a lot easier/conducive to being loud when you are standing.

This reminds me that at Lucas Oil there were a ton of Michigan fans who have never been to the Big House at the B1G title game. It showed. They sat down for large stretches, never cheered on the defense and would be extraordinarily loud when the M offense was on the field. Maybe it was just my section, but it was frustrating and weird.

sebastokrator

December 12th, 2023 at 1:23 PM ^

We're a quieter stadium. It's gotten louder: the boxes added a little bit. But on a game to game basis, it's not overwhelming.

Beaver stadium is much louder. Washington and Oregon are louder still. If anyone makes the trip to Seattle next season, you'll notice the difference in volume immediately.