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but Daniel Craig is awesome.
Not sure about Roger Moore, but I do agree that Daniel Craig is a terrible James Bond. He's too much of a thug with not much class. I don't get why so many people like these new Bond films. It's as if the movie studio has tried to turn Bond into a British Bourne, and even though I enjoyed the Bourne films, I do not think this is what James Bond should be about.
I'll take Daniel Craig over Pierce Brosnan any day of the week.
Saying, "Oh, James...." That's what James Bond should be about. Oh, and some spy stuff.
but I thought the newer Bond films were supposed to be a "returning to early years." If that's the case, it makes sense that Bond would be more brash and apt to get in fisticuffs and less sophisticated- he's supposed to be younger in them.
This is why he invents his famous drink, kills his first two for the "OO" status and generally runs around like a loose cannon in Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace.
I should have specified. My problem with the new films is mostly with the directing. They use the shaky camera during actions scenes with I absolutely HATE. It works for the Bourne films because in those movies neither the audience nor Jason Bourne knows what's going on. However, in the Bond movies the shaky camera just results in the audience not being able to follow the action, which is pointless.
But I don't think Casino Royale used it that much.
Know your Burt.
You know something, mother? You're too Jewish!
Thank you, asshole.
Roger Moore was a great Bond, but he's an easy second.
Sean Connery made Bond who he is, and since then no one has really been able to match him.
I don't think Craig is a bad Bond, but he is different. Definitely more rugged than sophisticated. I'd prob give him another 2 movies and then we should see another Bond (If they continue with the series at that point).
None of the others make the cut.
Brosnan was tarnished by Remington Steel. He came across as a wuss.
Connery is definitely number 1. (Thunderball is arguably the best Bond movie.)
I like the new style Daniel Craig bond, but then some of my favorite movies are Moore movies (Live and Let Die, The Spy Who Loved Me, For Your Eyes Only), so I am split for number two.
Brosnan would be forth. (The scripts were better than Daltons.)
The music and setting for "On Her Majesty's Secret Service were awsome. Savalas and "Mr Boring" himself Laznby were not.
but I never watched Remington Steele, so Brosnan was a fresh face to me. Also, I never read one of Fleming's novels until I had seen a lot of the movies. So for me, Sean and to a lesser extent Roger, defined who James Bond was.
For me James Bond is sauve, daring, witty, clever and always composed. Bond gets by more on his wits than his combat skills. This, for me, makes for a good story. Bond is also a good guy, albeit one dealing with very tough bad guys. This makes it possible for me to root for Bond and not the bad guys.
As far as Brosnan being too much of a wuss? Since realizing that if Superman were invulnerable that he would rarely need courage, I haven't been much impressed with omnipotent "heroes". As for Craig? I want to root for Bond. The moment it becomes two bad guys fighting each other, who can I root for? It makes the line finer, perhaps more realistic, and perhaps closer to Fleming's Bond, but not as easy to root for.
But I've always been partial to In Her Majesty's Secret Service, starring-- you guessed it-- everyone's favorite Bond, Roger Lazenby. Movie's got it all-- plus Telly Savalas, baby. Gotta love it.
I'm not going to say it!
That one probably had one of my favorite plots of all the bonds but I felt like Lazenby was a little too corny with the part to be a serious consideration. Never struck me as the physical type of dude who could pull some of the action scenes that Connery had perfected either,
...has room for lots of opinions.
George Lazenby is competitive with Connery for best Bond, but between the soundtrack, a dark plotline, Telly Savalas, Dame Diana Rigg and the devastatingly exotic allergy sufferers there is no question that OHMSS is the best Bond film ever made.
Technically, the theme to Dr. No is the James Bond theme that we now know, which doesn't have words. But they did have The Three Blind Mice sung in the opening credits too.
Ok I'll give you soundtrack, Savalas, Rigg, and the allergy sufferers, but in no way can I compare Lazenby to Connery. They presented totally different styles in my mind. way too contrasting. And dark plotline? In the previous movie, Blofeld wanted to provoke war between the superpowers, in this one he just wanted to wreck the English economy. I guess with the attempted suicide-death of Rigg it you could call that dark, but I'd question the overall plot as dark.
If they had gotten Connery to do that, rather than the much weaker Diamonds are Forever? That end scene with Connery? Priceless.
1. A combination between pizzazz and Ash Catchum. In other words, totally awesome. 2. An unfortunate result of acupuncture. The word probably resulted from someone spelling "panache" wrong.
I have no clue what "Whoah" means. There is not even an urban definition. Next time, check your own spelling before you check others.... Peace up side you head.
... Roger Moore was THE WORST.
Sean Connery is Bond. James Bond.
The first Pierce Brosnan and Daniel Craig flicks were good.
And Dan the Man should spend more time with Moneypenny:
Connery made James Bond.
Roger Moore held up. Lived up to the standard.
Lazenby, nice cameo.
Who the hell was the next one? Where did he go?
Brosnan brought his own type of classic.
Daniel Craig is growing on me.
Dalton, Timothy Dalton.
I really liked Timothy Dalton, he just got put into the two crappiest made ones with the two crappiest series of lines and the some of the ugliest bond girls. If he had taken the job when they offered after Connery left, he woulda made the 70s so much better for Bond. Not that I didn't like Moore, but I thought it was a little creepy in the late 70's-early 80's Bonds when it looked like a mid-40s early 50s Bond going after way younger girls (see a View to a Kill)
Tanya Roberts in her prime was a walking, talking Little Blue Pill.
Since there are only 6 possible answers and probably 2 good ones, I'm going to pose a new question and ask who you think will be the next Bond. Daniel Day-Lewis? James Franco?
Daniel Day-Lewis is too old
James Franco is American.
Clive Owen is also too old. He's 45 right now. Even if they do run Daniel Craig out of town (which I think is unlikely, given the success of Casino Royale and the relative success of Quantum of Solace despite the awful script and shaky-cam directing), by the time they get everyting turned around and ready for him, he'll be nearing 50. That's not a bad age to be wrapping up a Bond career, but not an age to start it.
And Clive Owen prolly looks younger than Danial Craig right now.
But this assumes that Clive Owen starts right now, which is unlikely for the reasons stated above. Furthermore, MGM and the Bond franchise are in financing/development hell at the moment if I remember correctly.
How about James McAvoy?
maybe doesn't have the looks?
Definitely someone I would have suggested. Alternately, Jonathan Rhys-Meyers, although I'm not sure he's physically broad or bulky enough to do Bond.
How do you pronounce 007? Or, was the "an" a mistake?
or I was saying it "oh, oh seven" in my head. Either way, I confess that I've been drinking.
I totally thought you were joking with that suggestion, until I realized I was thinking of this guy, who is awesome but probably not an ideal Bond:
General Pushkin. The Living Daylights.
I heard a rumor that they are looking into making Sam Worthington into the next Bond.
Not exactly sure how I feel about that.
Hey, I'm not promoting it, just reporting it. Lets go easy with the negs. lol
Best movie: The Man With the Golden Gun
Best Bond: Connery, but Moore is really close. I think it's shortsighted to just blatantly say that Connery is the best because he was the first. Moore was excellent as well.
That was a good one. I actually visited Scaramanga's island in Thailand. It's a tourist destinatin aptly called, James Bond Island.
Can you operate the laser?? Is Nick-Nack there?? Easily one of my favorite Bond villains.
Ursula Andress coming out of the water: "Are you looking for something?"
Bond: "No. Just looking."
I've seen them all too and I've got to say if you compare the Daniel Craig Bonds versus any of the previous ones you are probably getting into an Apples and Oranges comparison. The Craig ones are a whole other animal. If you are talking about the best Bond up until the Craig series reboot then yeah, I've got to say Sean Connery is probably the best. George Lazenby had a good story but he wasnt much of an actor. Roger Moore probably stuck around a movie or two too long, and besides that the last ones he did regularly score among the worst ones made. Timothy Dalton was Bland, James Bland. Nearly killed the franchise, but License to Kill probably was where Bond films started to become more modern and have a bit of a darker undertone. Brosnan brought the series back with a stellar entrance in Goldeneye but he did make some serious duds after that one. Still you were starting to see the "Modern Bond" in those films though. Ones that had darker themes (Stockholme Syndrome, etc), motivated by revenge, and post cold-war themes. You also started to see the reason why the series needed a reboot, in that the gadgets were getting a bit too outlandish (invisible car?) and the Bond method was getting a bit tired and routine (do 2-5 chicks per movie, 3-5 witty remarks, etc). Finally the Craig movies appear to be bringing Bond into this century. One that is a bit more edgier, less on gadgets, and more on crafting a believable story rather than one where you are putting lasers into space or trying to "sink" Silicon Valley.
Roger Moore prolly did stick around a little too long. Funny thing though, The Living Daylights was intended to star him.
Also, i agree that Moonracker was a bit outlandish.
Part of the fun of the Bond movies from the '60s and '70s is that the story lines were outrageously implausible. That's the same ingredient that made Austin Powers so much fun: tongue firmly-planted in cheek.
By making Bond more "modern", the series creators have somewhat reduced Bond to "just another action hero." Ironically, its in the Age of Al Qaida and rapidly advancing technology that the idea of a "super villan" on the order of Dr. No is actually more realistic than ever.
I did like Roger Moore - he was the current Bond on the big screen when I was growing up, so that was a bit of an advantage compared to Connery TV repeats. But over time I did come to think that Connery was the best.
I would have liked to have seen Pierce Brosnan as Bond earlier in his career, but unfortunately the resurrection of Remington Steele nixed that.
Connery as the originator of the film Bond is the clear number one. I saw Dr. No for the first time a few years ago and was absolutely stunned.
To me, Daniel Craig is the clear number two. I can't stand the camp of the Roger Moore years or the raw cheesiness of post-Goldeneye Brosnan. After seeing Dr. No recently, I was startled by how much the Casino Royale Bond resembled that version of Bond. Given my distaste for camp/cheese, this gives me my Connery/Craig list.
Just keep in mind that Daniel Craig is not permitted to say, "Bond, James Bond" because he hacks it up and sounds horrible. He didn't say it once in the Quantum of Solace.
To me, someone who cannot say those words with class and dignity should not be James Bond. Therefore, he is worse than David Niven.
Connery is the best, but I like a lot of the Moore movies. I like that he took the character in a different direction (suave, if sometimes corny, ladies man) rather than trying to do a Connery impression, which spelled the demise for Brosnan and Dalton, I think, since only Connery can be Connery.
You just have to love "View to a Kill." Psychotic super-genius Walken, the Eiffel Tower and the Golden Gate Bridge, indestructible microchips and doped up race horses, not to mention a pervy Bond who can go from banging out hot Tanya Roberts to she-male Grace Jones without batting an eye.
Of course the best part about Moore as Bond is the fact that he inspired me to call myself Sinjin Smythe (spelling?) when talking to women at bars who I never planned on seeing again.
EDIT: One more word in defense of Moore: Octopussy
= St. John Smythe
but nobody does it better than Connery.
was a significant portion of my childhood. Goldeneye Sleepovers were the best. I just hope that Microsoft/Halo guys gave Rareware a big check, because that was the best FPS of all time
JUST KNEEL DOWN AND PLACE PROXIMITIES YOU'LL EVEN KILL ODDJOB
I don't know that anyone has brought this up in this thread, but Thunderball was easily my favorite Bond movie. It had every element, an exotic location, the threat of nuclear war, SPECTRE really exercising every part of its name, and for Christ's sake you never even saw Blofeld's face. I guess that makes Connery my favorite, but there are really no Bonds I dislike aside from Lazenby. I like Craig a whole lot as an actor too, just maybe not as Bond.
I like Brosnan the best but that just might be because I like Goldeneye the best.
i literally just finished Quantum of Solace before i got on here and saw this thread, which by the way is one of the worst Bond movies i have ever seen. right up there with The World Is Not Enough. which was equally as terrible.
I don't think Daniel Craig is that bad, i think the movies have been in just haven't been that good. he's certainly better than Timothy Dalton and George Lazenby. as to who is the best, nobody did Bond like Connery.
no ifs ands or buts.
I would have Remington Steele as #2
then roger moore
then Craig (Casino Royale was good but that other movie SUCKED)
Lazenby is insufficient sample size
Moore - Sucks
Dalton - = Moore's suckage ^ 100,000,000
Then Brosnan (really due to the insane amount of hours I wasted playing Goldeneye at my friend's house)
Then Craig (As other people have said above he isn't quite suave/slightly cheesy enough to really do Bond. I really liked him in Defiance, that seems like the type of role he should play)
Moore, Dalton, Lazenby are all roughly equal to me, in that I will watch the movies if nothing else is on, but I wouldn't even go so far as to netflix them. Not even instant streaming netflix.
3 measures Tanqueray
1 measure Russian Standard
1/2 measure Lillet Blanc
Dash of Angostura Bitters
Shaken until ice cold, add a large lemon peel.
Kicked ass, but next time I will try a different gin. I am still amazed I am able to type right now....
For the day-to-day stuff Beefeater is a pretty decent Mid-shelf gin (think smirnoff for vodka or bacardi rum, not top shelf, not awful) and my favorite Higher-end gin is Bombay Sapphire
This is coming from someone who used to drink Bombay all the time too.
I graduated a year ago, so my list of higher end alcohols that i've tried is pretty small
That is all.
But Anyway, a longish bond rant:
Roger Moore - I think Moore was an under-rated Bond because, frankly of the big 3 (Connery, Moore, Brosnan) he had the worst moives - they were 1980s, cheesy, and very 1980s. I loved "The Spy who Loved Me" but I distinctly remember asking my dad why there was 80's cheesy Shaft music in a Bond film. My dad's response: "It was the 80's this is what happened"
Connery - Knighted by the fricking Queen of England for being Bond. Enough Said. He was my favorite.
Craig/New Movies - I think that Batman Begins/The Dark Knight was very good for some franchises, and terrible for others. The whole "Maybe we can tell this story Darker, modernize it, with talented actors" thing did wonders for Batman and the new Marvel Movies... but I'm not a fan of what it did to the Bond franchise. Like many people said above Casino Royale was sweet... but what the hell! this was not a franchise that needed a reboot. My problems with Craig's movies so far:
No Q Scene. WHAT THE FUCK! The Q scene was my favorite in damn near every Bond movie. I thought Jon Cleese did an excellent job as the new Q, and where did he go? This is BS! In the opening scene to Q.of S. Bond's Aston doesnt even have jacks? I understand not giving the car missiles, but no jacks/oil slicks? These aren't even ridiculous gadgets! Bugged the hell out of me. I'm not saying the Aston vs. Jag car with guns scene from Die Another Day is the way to go... but Bond's car has to have at least SOMETHING.
Other Quantum of Solace issue - He didn't even bed the girl! WTF? Bond needs to take an average of 2.5 girls to bed per movie. I still have yet to hear a legit explanation why they didnt get it on.
OK, if youre still reading, here is the biggest issue I have with the Bond franchise to date...
Plot. I know. you're thinking, Plot? Freaking plot? It's Bond! But just think about this: I know they had 4 movies with essentially the same plot - bad guys put something in space to kill people, Bond saves the day (Diamonds are forever, Goldeneye, Moonraker, Die another Day) so yeah, general plot stuff gets recycled. But, keep in mind, in the 5 of the last 6 movies (Goldeneye, The World is Not Enough, Die another Day, Casino Royale, Quantum of Solace) we had the WORST trick of any spy movie - Double Agents! Traitors! I mean.... come on. If the next Craig movie has no Q and a double agent... and if craig doesnt get laid at least twice, I'm going to be pissed.
I have seen all the bond movies and I liked Roger Moore the best. My favorites are "the spy who loved me;, "for your eyes only", and "octopussy" in that order. I liked his reserved, in control style with tongue in check humor.
I think a persons favorite bond tends to depend on when they were born. Baby boomers grew up on Connery and I think tend to like him best. I am an Xer and grew up in the early eighties, so I grew up with Roger Moore. I am not sure, but I imagine the younger kids would like Pierce Brosnan. For Gen Xer's like myself, Roger Moore bond films are nostalgic.
However, I really liked the Casino Royale reboot, and Daniel Craig's character.
I'm a fan of the Ian Flemming books, so I rate them according to how closely they match the character in the novels. The Bond of the books is cruel, tortured, just like the opposition, but he happens to be working for the good guys. In that sense:
Craig (close second)
All others pale (they are too goofy, polished, don't have an edge to them like in the novels).
3. Craig (Casino Royale only)
Craig completely nailed Royale to the T, spot on performance of the gritty bond so prevalent in the early novels. I own the 4 box set, plus Casino Royale but Quantum of Solace will never EVER muddy my collection with its stench. Hands down worst Bond movie.
Connery, obviously. It's not even close. Because he's the only one who could do it all, convincingly. Cool, bad ass, suave, dangerous, and babe magnet. None of the others could be all that; some, but not all.
And for overall best Bond movie, that Goldfinger hasn't been mentioned is a crime against Bondage. And From Russia with Love is close. Keep hearing that Bond should be over the top, but those first 3 movies, while grand, were still realty based, and dark and sexy for the time. It wasn't till Thunderball that they started becoming spectacles, with the slight turn back with OHMSS, then got silly with Diamonds Are Forever, and Moore.
I credit Moore with making it work, and keeping the franchise viable for all those years (the 70's weren't the time for government assassins to be heroes), but he'd probably me more towards the bottom of the list.
And Connery did as many movies (over a longer span) if you count the Thunderball remake not done by the same producers, Never say Never Again.