OT: "After Settlement, Florida State Shows Sympathy for Victim: Itself"
The thread title basically says it all. But here is the link if you want to read the story (which I had not seen posted or mentioned here):
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/30/sports/ncaafootball/florida-state-pro…
The article is a mix of basic facts about the case and the settlement, but with a pretty strong editorial slant destroying FSU. The fact that the president of the university has taken the stance he has - which is basically, "we did nothing wrong at all, but are settling to avoid more frivolous litigation expenses" (which is total BS, as they are being covered by boosters anyway) - is pretty atrocious. If you needed to dislike FSU and/or Jameis Winston more, this may help!
February 4th, 2016 at 8:58 PM ^
not believing rape victims whilst simultaneously blaming rape victims if the accused is a black male. This seemingly paradoxical past creates a very confused Sal Quattro. I want to not to make an assumption about a black man and rape, but I also do not want to dismiss this woman's accusation.
In other words I have no idea what to think or say aboutt this situation.
February 4th, 2016 at 9:19 PM ^
In order to shame a victim does it not have to be establish with reasonable credibility that there was a victim?
Ray Rice clocking the hell out of his wife certainly made her a victim, and slandering her in someway that makes it sound like she deserved would seem like victim shaming.
Was it victim shaming when people called into doubt the credibility of the Duke accuser?
February 4th, 2016 at 10:01 PM ^
Wow man, have you always hated women, or is it just today? Also, learn how to write without including glaring grammatical and logical errors. It will make your crazy seem less crazy in the future...
February 4th, 2016 at 10:29 PM ^
Do you enjoy being a raging idiot who berates people for things that accurately describe you?
February 4th, 2016 at 10:45 PM ^
February 4th, 2016 at 10:05 PM ^
I don't know why the mods allow these Jameis Winston threads. They're filled with bias - not facts - and all the information put forth is found via the internet, from both sides. Just because he never went to trial doesn't mean he didn't commit the crime. And just because she accused him doesn't mean he did it. But inevitably someone armed with lots of information procured from the internet (or from fellow FSU'ers with plenty of bias) claims she's a slut or a cleat chaser or whatever they want to call it, and that she's just doing this for the money. And then someone else says this happened to him so of course it must be true in this case. Bias, bias, bias. And the assertion that women do this kind of thing all the time gets stronger. Which is, of course, statistically untrue. How many rapes are falsely reported? Like 3% - 5%? Which means over 90% of them are real.
Why do we keep posting about this?
February 4th, 2016 at 10:42 PM ^
Your statistics aren't even real in themselves. 3-5% are confirmed false. Then there's a huge gray zone that turns into "he said, she said" and then there's a confirmed pool which is significantly lower than 90%.
Then you have your standard obfuscation (and lengthy broadening of the definitions) of the terms "sexual assault" and "rape" which come out to absurd campaigns suggesting 1 out of 5 men rape women.
Men should just carry around consent contracts and have women sign em when they go out at night from here on out or vice versa. It might be a buzz kill in the heat of the moment, but hey better safe than sorry these days.
/s
February 5th, 2016 at 8:17 AM ^
Defending the "gray area" is really a tricky thing to do. What it sounds like to a woman is this: Being falsely accused is much worse than getting raped. If we're going to sacrifice someone in this equation, let it be the raped woman who unfortunately won't be believed when she comes forward because there's a very small chance she's lying. So let's protect the man.
Even if the proportion was 80/20, there are still exponentially more women that actually get raped than falsely accuse men. That a great number of men jump to call a woman a slut or a whore when she says she's been raped is pretty unsettling.
February 4th, 2016 at 10:54 PM ^
I'm glad the mods chose not to censor it. This is an issue which will continue to affect college students and student/athletes.
Unfortunately, we do have a civil legal system which enables people to extort money and many settlements, including this one, may ultimately be just that.
As for the allegation itself, there are a few here who don't understand the presumption of innocence and also don't understand (despite numerous high profile cases such as Brian Banks, Duke lacrosse, etc.) that people will lie about anything, including rape. And they also don't seem to understand how prevalent these false allegations might be due to obvious incentives (money, revenge, etc.) . Most importantly, they don't seem to understand how these false allegations destroy innocent lives, especially due to the current standard of guilty until proven innocent being perpetrated on campuses. The false allegation, even when disproven or discredited, mars the person for life - they often have to switch or quit schools and explain what happened to future schools or employers.
But it is encouraging that many here do understand these things.
And no, presuming innocence until proven guilty does not make light of the terrible crime of rape or make somebody a rape apologist, etc.
February 4th, 2016 at 11:17 PM ^
Thank you for adding more common sense to the thread. It seems to be lacking in some of the perpetually outraged here.
February 4th, 2016 at 11:33 PM ^
Michigan has it's own false accusation demons. Drew Sterrett anybody?
http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2015/09/drew_sterrett_an…
February 5th, 2016 at 12:20 AM ^
for bringing this up. I had read about this egregious case of injustice. This poor guy was totally screwed. From my research, it appears there was no objective evidence against him. Zero. And there were many facts which strongly discredited the accuser's story. Yet he was still expelled. So we have a classic case where the alleged offender was not only likely falsely accused but totally screwed over by the University.
Fortunately, he had recourse through the courts and some partial justice. But he was still completely screwed. He will carry this stigma the rest of his life. His schooling was disrupted and delayed. And it must have been horrific to go through. I can't even imagine it. His entire life was turned upside down - his career aspirations, his relationships, etc. At least he didn't end up in prison like poor Brian Banks. Hopefully, he got a multimillion dollar judgement against the University. But it sounds like he only got the expulsion reversed.
And those who screwed him (the accuser, the school administrators) get off scot free. There's no accountability. The unjust system remains in place to victimize others who are often not as successful in getting their day in court.
February 4th, 2016 at 11:29 PM ^
Once the allegation has been made there is absolutely no divorcing yourself from that stigma no matter how ludicrous the claim. I know for a fact that last year the NY Times ran a 90% false article on something similar, when the author was contacted by someone close to the story about why he publish something he knew was at best a half truth, the author responded "I had to go with something and I couldn't wait for the other side."
To me that is absolutely abhorrent and only makes the situation worse. For journalist as well as the legal system, their desire to win only magnifies the flaws in a flawed system. The victims on both sides are the only ones that lose. It is sport for the blood thirsty and greedy.
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February 5th, 2016 at 12:02 AM ^
especially regarding the damage to everybody including those falsely accused and legitimate rape victims.
February 4th, 2016 at 11:30 PM ^
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February 4th, 2016 at 11:34 PM ^
ty for sharing
February 4th, 2016 at 11:59 PM ^
has been greatly if not completely discredited. The sensational title of the film says it all - "The Hunting Ground?" Seriously? Objective data and logic doesn't support the idea of college campuses as "hunting grounds." It contains many accusations which have never been proven, some of which have been greatly cast in doubt or even discredited. And to make matters worse, it only includes the accuser's side of the story.
It's indefensible propaganda.
We need more honest reporting on the issue not sensationalism and dishonest propaganda.
February 5th, 2016 at 12:33 AM ^
If it's been discredited, show us how.