OSU QB Commit
February 2nd, 2009 at 4:17 PM ^
Rivals has him as the #35 Dual-Threat QB.
Junior and Senior year stats:
291 154 52.9 2,592 17 9
232 117 50.4 1,670 17 9
His offer sheet had tO$U, Houston, Kansas, Rice, Iowa State, and PRAIRIE VIEW A&M. Seems like a reach.
February 2nd, 2009 at 4:20 PM ^
so OSU was desperate and trumped everyone on his offer list to have some sort of backup plan.
February 2nd, 2009 at 4:25 PM ^
After Pryor they have Bauserman, who isn't a chump. He was a originally offered a scholarship by OSU but chose to play pro baseball. He's only a walk-on now b/c his pro baseball team pays for his education. He also looked good in their spring game last year...After Bauserman, though, they don't have anybody.
They've already offered a kid who is a sophomore dual-threat in Ohio (at Wayne High School, I believe) who's being billed as the next Pryor. They need to fill in the space between that kid, assuming they get him, and Pryor.
February 2nd, 2009 at 4:25 PM ^
Yeah. They are trying to add some much needed depth. They recently offered two MAC guys.
Chris Coyer (Temple)
http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=75619&spor…
Austin Boucher (Miami-OH)
http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=80410
February 2nd, 2009 at 4:28 PM ^
so OSU was desperate and trumped everyone on his offer list to have some sort of backup plan.
Seems a mature program to be having a Feagin redux - but that is what it is. It is clearly a back up plan.
February 2nd, 2009 at 4:49 PM ^
Feagin was a two-star athelete. This guy is a three-star QB. It may just be a "get a body" move, but not nearly as much of a reach.
February 2nd, 2009 at 11:28 PM ^
I dunno about that. Rivals had Feagin rated just shy of four stars. Scout had him at two, but that was as a safety. He had offers from WVU, Rutgers, Miami, and several others. Guiton's offers don't say three-star: Rice, Houston, Iowa State, Kansas, and for good measure, Prairie View. I think it's a bigger reach than Feagin. Guiton can throw a football and fog a mirror, and I think this situation is hilarious. OSU fans had a good laugh when Josh Robinson picked UCF over M - now they've been spurned for Temple and MOO(NTMOO) by two guys who saw the offer for what it was - a panic attack aimed at filling out the depth chart and giving the defense someone to practice against.
February 3rd, 2009 at 8:14 AM ^
Debating the merits between a Rivals.com rated 3-star is futile at best.
Feagin was a 3 star athlete with a 5.7 rating (just shy of 4 stars) while Guiton is a 3 star quarterback with a 5.5 rating (just above 2 star designation).
This is like implying that all 6.0 rated four star prospects are essentially 5 star prospects.
No, there are designations for reasons. A 3 star prospect is a 3 star prospect.
And to give you an idea of how well some Ohio State 3 star prospects have performed recently I give you:
AJ Hawk
Santonio Holmes
Malcolm Jenkins
James Laurinaitis
Todd Boeckman
And besides ... no one can blame anyone for sticking with their original committments .... with Pryor on the roster you know where you're going to be and if you want to play and compete early signing in the 2009 Ohio State class isn't the place to be signing.
That's called common sense.
February 3rd, 2009 at 9:54 AM ^
"No, there are designations for reasons. A 3 star prospect is a 3 star prospect."
Piffle. There's a reason some three-stars have offers from Eastern Michigan and Bowling Green, and others have offers from OSU, Penn State, FSU, and Nebraska.
"This is like implying that all 6.0 rated four star prospects are essentially 5 star prospects."
No, it's like implying that all 6.0 rated four star prospects are better than all 5.8 rated four star prospects. There's a good reason star ratings aren't the only thing they use.
The anecdotal evidence of "three-stars that are awesome" has been rehashed around here more than enough. Guess what: for every overperforming three-star, there's an underperforming four- or five- star. You think Alex Boone lived up to that five-star rating? And who is Robert Rose? Facts are facts. Offers don't lie. Guiton is not a big time prospect. I didn't say I was "blaming" the other two for sticking with their original commitments, but it doesn't immunize OSU from us having a little fun at their expense. Not when Buckeyes say the same exact things.
February 3rd, 2009 at 10:39 AM ^
I'm not implying that Guiton is a big time prospect and on another thread I directly stated that this is precisely a move at depth.
However, I respectfully disagree regarding the breakdown of the star ratings ... in fact I find it a futile process that shouldn't even be released. Either the kid is a three star, or a four star, or a two star, or what be it.
You are right there are as equal many flops as there are successes from the two and three star range.
But does anyone have the time to dive into the theory that a 5.5 rated three star is marginally less qualified at a position than a 5.7 three star from the same position?
I don't have that kind of time but I bet you'd find it's largely a wash.
February 3rd, 2009 at 10:46 AM ^
then you can sink your little beaty brain into this if you like: http://www.athlonsports.com/college-football/13422/nfl-stars-how-recrui…
February 3rd, 2009 at 12:34 PM ^
Clearly it has been proven that star rankings are likely indicators of future success. Any buffoon who takes the time and energy to consume college football came to that conclusion a long, long time ago. Thanks for reiterating the painfully obvious.
My argument, on the other hand, was indicating that there is no significant difference between a 5.7 graded 3-star prospect than there is a 5.5 graded 3-star prospect. A 3-star is a 3-star in spite of where they lay on the spectrum of grade.
Even the article you just pointed me to indicates that there is little to no interest in deciphering the difference between a 5.7 and a 5.5 3-star prospect.
Therefore it would seem to me that the argument that said 3-star prospect is a better 3-star prospect than the other is a moot point; they are in fact both 3-star prospects and this is largely the only aspect that truly matters.
February 3rd, 2009 at 2:45 PM ^
if we were playing the ranking game with teams, there's no difference between the 25th ranked team and the 40th ranked team? There's a scale for a reason. There's a reason they rank certain 3 stars over others. Even Scout does it, just without the scale, but you can still figure it out by looking at the position ranking. It's not always right, but to say ALL 3 stars are essentially equal to all others is short sighted.
February 3rd, 2009 at 4:48 PM ^
I can't speak for Scout because I don't follow Scout, however, Rivals.com team total isn't derived from their star rankings (entirely). The total points a team earned is largely derived from fulfilling their needs (as perceived by Rivals.com).
Obviously yes the higher star average fulfilling that need is going to play a role into that.
But my argument is largely this ... the difference in a three star prospect can't be so overwhelming that we can find any discernible evidence to suggest that by and large 5.7 rated 3* prospects are better than 5.5 rated 3* prospects.
There is a lack of evidence to back that up unlike how there is evidence to suppor that recruiting rankings are accurate in determining the success of becoming an NFL draftee (note that the study doesn't indicate potential NFL success).
February 2nd, 2009 at 4:31 PM ^
Well.. OSU has been succesful wit dual threat qbs so mine as well keep getting them. He'll have 2-3 yrs to learn and get better so... why not.
February 2nd, 2009 at 4:37 PM ^
Does anyone know why Tressel is so enamored with Dual Threat QBs when he is so firmly wedded to the very non-dynamic power-run, ball control offense?
February 2nd, 2009 at 4:42 PM ^
I don't think he's as wedded to a power running game as he's made out to be. When he first came to OSU he had a Craig Krentzel, a clutch player but not John Elway. The next year they had Clarett so they ran the ball all the time. Two years later, with Krentzel gone, Smith and Zwick platooned and neither was that good. In 2006, though, Tressel let Smith light it up...I think he's fairly conservative by nature but I also think he's willing to open things up if he has the talent.
February 2nd, 2009 at 4:57 PM ^
This was a move for depth. After Tajh Boyd declined the offer they jumped on a local kid who had just reneged on his offer to Toledo for Miami - he stuck with Miami.
The apparently found this kid in Texas on a Tuesday, flew home with video on the kid, called and offered on Wednesday.
Its a stretch but considering the soon to be 3rd string QB was about to Orhian Johnson who played QB in high school but was recruited as a DB at the collegiate level things weren't looking bright.
February 2nd, 2009 at 8:07 PM ^
My guess is Guiton likely better than Sheridan... but that is just a guess. ha.