NFL Draft - All time WR class?
The Ringer posted a story today (link) about how the 2020 WR draft for the NFL was one of the best ever with guys like Justin Jefferson, CeeDee Lamb, Chase Claypool and many others already having success but the 2021 class may be just as good.
I decided to read the story and find out what they say about Nico Collins, who opted out to prepare for the draft. I will spare you the scrolling - Nico appears in the 24th paragraph of the story and is the SEVENTEENTH name they mention as an interesting WR prospect next year. They mention him with two other big bodied WR (Auburn's Seth Williams and Wake's Sage Sarratt) as guys that could get more hype leading up to the draft. But the story focuses on the guys who may be day-1 picks with video and breakdown of their game. There are 8 guys who get that treatment, which includes three other big ten receivers.
I love Nico and I think he has a future in the NFL, but it seems like he'll probably have to follow a similar path as DPJ where he gets picked up in the middle rounds and works his way up into a rotation. I don't fault anyone, including him, for opting out of this crazy season. But it sure is frustrating to think about all of these other WR who have given it a shot this year and are ahead of him on this list and picture what our offense might have been with Nico being a safety net for our new QBs.
December 4th, 2020 at 9:02 AM ^
I don’t think Milton could hit the broad side of a barn let alone Nico.
December 4th, 2020 at 9:29 AM ^
Yeah, exactly. This reads like another "I don't fault him for quitting on the team, but he quit on the team and look what happened!" (I know that's not what you're saying, AC, but I'm just saying...)
In fact, the real story here is UM's inability to get the ball to elite WR talent these last few years. You really think Nico would have improved his draft position by playing this year?
Also, the top WR mentioned in the article also opted out of the season.
December 4th, 2020 at 12:30 PM ^
Yeah, initially I thought it'd be nice to have Nico as a deep ball / chuck it up safety blanket for Milton.
Then I realized Joe would absolutely laser it through his chest when a lob would work or he'd just miss him by 5 yards
December 4th, 2020 at 9:04 AM ^
Hindsight and all, but he made the right decision with how the season has played out. There's no way he improves his draft grade playing in this offense.
December 4th, 2020 at 10:44 AM ^
Ouch.
The coaching staff never connected with DPJ. Its 2020 and I suspect that Harbaugh's ideas about player/coach relationships are straight from the 1970's. But Bo hasn't coached in 31 years and...
The. World. Has. Changed.
December 4th, 2020 at 11:00 AM ^
DPJ has 5 receptions on 6 targets for the Browns this year and is at or near the bottom of the depth chart. Does that mean that the Browns' staff has no idea about player/coach relationships either?
December 4th, 2020 at 11:06 AM ^
Exactly this. I liked DPJ and thought he wasn't utilized properly but he was a healthy scratch behind guys who weren't even that great in college. He's struggled to get on the field with the Browns and it isn't because of injury.
And while I would say yes, historically the Browns have no idea about anything related to football, in this instance I don't think it's an organization issue.
December 4th, 2020 at 12:33 PM ^
DPS was a consensus 5 star. I think his lack of production at Michigan and his lack of playing time in year 1 of his NFL career are a bigger indictment of Michigan's lack of player development at that position. Michigan has been horrible at developing receivers for quite some time now. He has all the physical tools, but was raw as a route runner coming out of high school. I think he ran slants and go's at Cass. I imagine he also lacked understanding of concepts and how his routes fit in to the play call as a whole. That's very typical of high school receivers. The fact that none of this improved speaks to Michigan's obvious coaching deficiencies in both development and scheme. While we will never know for sure, I would bet that DPJ would have excelled at Alabama and been one of their typical early round draft picks had he went there based on his skill set compared to other Alabama receivers.
December 4th, 2020 at 3:12 PM ^
At what point in his career can we speculate that he is the problem and not everyone who is coaching him? Could it be that he is a physical freak and just doesn’t want to put in work to fine tune his skills as a WR?
December 4th, 2020 at 11:08 AM ^
Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story. I like DPJ just like I like all the players that play for Michigan, but he was as much of the problem as anyone else. DK Metcalf was in a similar situation to DPJ, but look at him now.
December 4th, 2020 at 4:27 PM ^
DPJ is a better athlete than a football player.
December 4th, 2020 at 7:01 PM ^
Oh come on...DPJ is nothing like Metcalf. DPJ has all the physical tools in the world, but doesn't know how to use them to get open. There's a reason he went in the 6th round and never amounted to anything here.
December 4th, 2020 at 11:08 AM ^
And that’s with OBJ out for the season. People need to stop thinking every descent player UM has should be considered an elite nfl prospect. Try watching the rest of the country, there’s a lot better players out there.
December 4th, 2020 at 12:37 PM ^
Do I think every decent UM player should be considered an elite NFL prospect? Hell no. Absolutely not.
Do I think that Michigan should be able to produce one quality offensive skill player in 5 years? Yes. Not an elite player, just a solid contributor. So far the best offensive players Michigan has put in the NFL are lucky if they were able to stay on an NFL roster for more than a few years.
December 4th, 2020 at 7:06 PM ^
Been a whole lot longer than 5 years since the last quality offensive skill player. Probably have to go back to Henne and Manningham for the last ones.
Brady, Henne, and DPJ are the only skill players in the NFL for Michigan and all will probably be out of the league in 2 years.
December 4th, 2020 at 7:10 PM ^
I was just keeping the scope to the Harbaugh regime, but I think you're mostly right. Devin Funchess is still playing though.
December 5th, 2020 at 1:48 PM ^
You're right. Looked at Michigan players in the NFL and he wasn't listed because he's opted out this season and isn't on a roster.
December 4th, 2020 at 12:48 PM ^
Agree. People here watch mostly Michigan, so they recognize the Michigan names while they don't recognize names from other schools. This makes them think that Michigan players are better than they really are. Probably happens at ever school but I wish people here would be more aware of it. Would make for better conversations if we could have more realistic takes.
December 4th, 2020 at 9:06 AM ^
Truly sad that this coaching staff helped make them decide that it was a better decision to leave early / not play vs. honing their skills for another year and improving their draft status.
December 4th, 2020 at 9:42 AM ^
I’m not sure it’s fair to blame Nico’s decision on the coaching staff. He had made the decision to play. Then he was hit with a roller coaster of uncertainty.
It seems like the handling of Dylan was clustered. Maybe he watched that?
December 4th, 2020 at 10:19 AM ^
I don’t think that’s true judging by the way Harbaugh dealt with Karan and Devin when they opted to forgo games for the draft.
December 4th, 2020 at 12:08 PM ^
I gotta disagree with you wholeheartedly here. There isn't anything sad about a coaching being honest with a player and supporting his decision to sit out a bullshit season. You think he could've honed his skills better playing with Milton and an untested Cade vs receiving private coaching and not having to focus on school at all?
December 4th, 2020 at 9:11 AM ^
Sorry, the 19 class was better. McLaurin and Metcalf is better than anyone on that list
December 4th, 2020 at 9:12 AM ^
My Fantasy team agrees with you
December 4th, 2020 at 9:52 AM ^
I quit fantasy football this year after 22 years of having 1-3 teams. My wife won't let me watch NFL after spending half the day Saturday watching Michigan. I don't know who any of the players are anymore other than former Michigan recruits who chose Alabama. Shakes fist at sky, damn players shift from team to team and only play for a few years. I can't keep up.
December 4th, 2020 at 10:13 AM ^
You can still play fantasy without watching the games. I mostly run my teams from the toilet between 7-730am.
December 4th, 2020 at 10:19 AM ^
100% this. I maybe have watched a single quarter of an NFL game, but am my league's commissioner and will make the playoffs. Now, if it weren't for the experts giving me all the lowdown, however, I'd be completely lost.
December 4th, 2020 at 3:18 PM ^
Great. Now half your team has pink eye.
December 4th, 2020 at 1:19 PM ^
2020 is so deep. 5-6 guys who could be pro bowlers.
December 4th, 2020 at 9:45 AM ^
It is frustrating. We may have scored 3 more points in several of the games.
December 4th, 2020 at 9:52 AM ^
Nico would have made a very small impact on our offense. We don’t use tempo, try to burn clock by running the ball and either can’t successfully/won’t throw the ball down the field against teams worth a shit under Harbaugh. If I was Nico, why stick around for 5 receptions a game? Like DPJ, he’s only going to get drafted on physical abilities because Michigan does almost nothing with offensive skill players.
December 4th, 2020 at 1:10 PM ^
5 receptions a game is perhaps even generous. We don't have a single guy averaging 5 receptions a game on this team. Bell is at like 4.3, that's tops.
December 4th, 2020 at 7:14 PM ^
Because I enjoy suffering...I went back and looked at the stats for the last few years. Last Michigan WR to average 5 catches a game was...Devin Funchess in 2014. 62 receptions in 11 games (5.63).
Before that, we had Jeremy Gallon go off for 89(!!!) receptions in 13 games in 2013 -- 6.8 per game.
December 4th, 2020 at 9:59 AM ^
No point in getting hurt for a marginal improvement, at best. He put in his time.
December 4th, 2020 at 10:07 AM ^
Unless Nico is calling the plays, throwing to himself, blocking for himself, and splitting time between DT and CB on the other side, I'm not real sure it makes much of a difference. Maybe we could beat Rutgers in regulation? Or manage an extra FG attempt(miss) or 2
December 4th, 2020 at 10:19 AM ^
I think Collins made the best decision for him, and I said it at the time and continue to hold to whatever decision players made during the pandemic was the right one for them. The conference mis-managed their response so many ways that none of this surprised me.
I will say, that list is a bit all over the place. I think Collins goes in the first 3 rounds, which was about as likely a position for him regardless of how he played this year. Maybe he bumps up a bit if he had a great 5-6 games, but the NFL knows what it's looking for in receivers and I'm not sure college production is a great barometer for that.
Collins, though, is far more established and appealing compared to DPJ to the NFL. Provided he doesn't just bomb at interviews and the combine, he should get a far higher NFL grade and position.
December 4th, 2020 at 10:24 AM ^
I think Nico is rated lower because they didn’t get the ball to him enough and he doesn’t have elite speed.
December 4th, 2020 at 10:25 AM ^
The one year the Lions don't take a WR with a high pick
December 4th, 2020 at 4:56 PM ^
or the lions don't take a high WR with their pick
December 4th, 2020 at 10:32 AM ^
Whatever class Jerry Rice was in. Don't give a shit who else was drafted in the class - that was the best class ever.
Kind of like the JFK saying during the 1962 Nobel Price dinner at the white house.....
"this is the most extraordinary collection of talent, of human knowledge, that has ever been gathered together at the White House, with the possible exception of when Thomas Jefferson dined alone."
December 4th, 2020 at 12:30 PM ^
96 was likely stronger top to bottom but tough to beat 1-2 class of rice and andre reed
December 4th, 2020 at 2:46 PM ^
That's a tough one-two punch to beat. I do think people sleep a bit on the 2014 class which admittedly is still early but has a lot of pretty good WRs even if it doesn't necessarily have a clear HOF right now (though Jarvis Landry possibly being the best WR of that group is pretty impressive).
December 4th, 2020 at 1:22 PM ^
I just looked at that WR clas for S&G and Buster Rhymes was also drafted that year so...
December 4th, 2020 at 10:52 AM ^
Last year before the season I had a heated debate with a friend over DPJ, Black and Collins being better than Alabama's trio
At this point I believe my fanhood is a sickness
December 4th, 2020 at 11:06 AM ^
We aren't really interested in or are capable of throwing the ball. What would playing this year have done for him?
December 4th, 2020 at 12:09 PM ^
We might be in the golden age of WRs because WRs are so much better prepared to make an impact in the next level due to spread offense and NFL's adaptation to the spread offense. We already seen the trickle up effect from HS to college to NFL in terms of football scheme.
December 4th, 2020 at 1:05 PM ^
This is not a surprise. Here is a message I posted when Collins opened up on his reasons for opting out:
October 21st, 2020 at 11:35 AM ^
Not sure if this is a good business decision.
Ja'Marr Chase, Jalen Waddle, Devonta Smith, Chris Olave, Rashod Bateman, Rondale Moore, Tamorrion Terry, Terrace Marshall Jr., Amon-Ra St. Brown, Seth Williams, Marques Stevenson, Tylan Wallace, Sage Surratt, and Dazz Newsome all moving up in mock drafts. That's 14 WRs listed in the first 3 rounds. Nico Collins no longer appears.
Jalen Mayfield, Kwity Paye, and Aidan Hutchinson all appear in the the first 3 rounds.
It seems Collins could really benefit from a quality season, no matter how abbreviated.
December 4th, 2020 at 2:00 PM ^
"It seems Collins could really benefit from a quality season"
So you were proposing he transfer?
December 4th, 2020 at 1:12 PM ^
Let me clarify my comments a little. I'm not saying that Nico would have necessarily improved his stock on this team (hindsight 20/20) and given the systemic issues with the program it is hard to know how much he would have helped this team. Obviously this is a bit of chicken-and-egg discussion though.
We cay say "good for all these guys staying away, this program is trash" and we can also say "if we hadn't been forced to play so many guys maybe it wouldn't have been as trashy."
Does Nico win us three games that we lost? Of course not... Does having Nico and Ambry all season help us win a game or two and maybe not look horrible? Probably.
There's no way to know whether Nico helped or hurt his draft status with his decision and that wasn't my point. My point was that I wish we got to see our best players on the field wearing the uniform and giving us the best chance to win - which is the selfish fan perspective and not Nico's perspective or that of the NFL. I love Nico and I wanted to see him catching passes for us this season - I'm jealous of the teams who did get to see their stars play. I'm also frustrated that we probably would have wasted Nico's talents too.