Newsome
Sorry if I missed a thread that was already created...
Anyone else watch Newsome play? I didn't catch a ton, but it looks like he does have a pretty good arm (when he did throw it) and decent speed, built like a linebacker. Seems like he's really overly inclined to tuck the ball and run, though. Seemed weird to me, because the passes I saw him throw were pretty good.
Not looking forward to us having to play against him in a few years with PSU.
January 3rd, 2009 at 5:07 PM ^
He does have some weird throwing mechanics though. Not that that hurt Pryor this year.
January 3rd, 2009 at 5:13 PM ^
Yeah, he kinda sidearms the ball.
He's pretty short, isn't he?
January 3rd, 2009 at 5:18 PM ^
n/m, his rivals profile says he's 6'3". I thought he looked kinda short for some reason.
January 3rd, 2009 at 5:15 PM ^
He was awful against us.
January 3rd, 2009 at 5:23 PM ^
Pryor threw for 120 yards on 13 attempts. I'd take that from our QB anyday. Completion percentage is overrated.
January 3rd, 2009 at 5:38 PM ^
by our safeties is something to hang your hat on?
January 3rd, 2009 at 11:11 PM ^
Whether our safeties suck is besides the point. 120 yards on 13 attempts is very good.
January 4th, 2009 at 1:27 AM ^
it ain't. Which maybe. Just maybe. Matters. But whatever. You've got this shit down cold.
January 3rd, 2009 at 5:39 PM ^
You're just going to ignore a completion percentage below 40 percent?
January 3rd, 2009 at 11:15 PM ^
When a guy averages 9 YPA, he's had a good game. It doesn't matter what his completion percentage was. (That's implicitly factored into the YPA anyway.) When all your pass attempts are good for first-down distance or more, you only need to complete one of three to move the chains. OSU didn't throw much this year, but when they did, they went over the top.
January 4th, 2009 at 1:27 AM ^
Thanks. Now I know.
January 3rd, 2009 at 5:47 PM ^
I can see your point, but they still put up 42 points and are in a BCS game. So, as I said, it didn't seem to hurt Pryor that his throwing mechanics were shitty.
January 3rd, 2009 at 5:49 PM ^
Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl. Would you take him over numerous other QBs that haven't won one?
January 3rd, 2009 at 5:55 PM ^
Not a chance in hell.
If OSU had lost 5 games than sure, his mechanics were costly, but they didn't. Now, had he come to Michigan he would have been F'd playing behind that o-line.
January 3rd, 2009 at 5:57 PM ^
if the entire team loses 5 games?
January 3rd, 2009 at 6:01 PM ^
5 games, 7 games, or 9, I suppose. It's however you define "costly". 2 losses and a trip to the Fiesta is not the definition of costly in my book.
I think this whole argument got confused. Did Pryor hurt his team because of his lack of accuracy? I would say no based on their season. Is he a good pocket passer? Hell no!
January 3rd, 2009 at 5:15 PM ^
I agree that he looked good, for the most part. While his arm-strength looked good, I was less impressed with his long wind-up. He wasn't really sharp with the ball. He ran very well, however, and I think he should be a good player for PSU.
I'm looking forward to playing against him, however. I love the PSU-UM rivalry and I'd rather have them competitive than weak. Newsome's decommit only helps intensify the rivalry by both strengthening the competition and generating additional animosity. It's sort of like Pryor to OSU--if Newsome is going to jilt us like that, at least let him stay in the Big Ten so we can take it out on him later.
January 3rd, 2009 at 5:17 PM ^
I only found Pryor impressive as a runner.
January 3rd, 2009 at 5:42 PM ^
I'm not sure it matters if we were "impressed" how he did it. Safe to say he'll get better... hopefully, by then, we're playing ninja football on offense, and our defense is cracking skulls.
January 3rd, 2009 at 5:49 PM ^
Or was he along for the ride? Chris Wells could have lined up at QB and we would have lost. Whether or not we thought it was impressive isn't the point. The idea is that your performance is predictive of how you will do in the future. He looked like crap throwing the ball. 38.5% is terrible. Go back and watch the game. He looked it. Missed reads, accuracy lacking, no feel for the pass rush, etc. We'll see how well he can be coached up.
January 3rd, 2009 at 6:05 PM ^
Not sure if they would have spanked us w/ Beanie at QB. It didn't really start to open up until Pryor hit that 1st long pass.
January 3rd, 2009 at 6:15 PM ^
My point though: big plays were coming regardless. We had epic suck all year in that regard and a team with OSU's overall talent wasn't dependent on any particular quarterback.
January 3rd, 2009 at 5:55 PM ^
to that Great Blue North draft site, OSU has 7 top 100 juniors or seniors.
January 3rd, 2009 at 5:45 PM ^
Pryor is good. Hes horrible at throwing. his long balls are bloopers, a good team like texas will swat that shit anyday. Pryors good, but not the best qb in his class or number 1 in nation. Id love to have him in spread option read tho.
Id take tate over pryor anyday. Tates mechanics are solid, he throws the ball with ease, and he can run. Tates great at both things. Pryor is a great runner
January 3rd, 2009 at 5:50 PM ^
Tate Forcier sight unseen over Pryor with a year of experience under his belt. The odds we get better QB play than OSU next season are low.
January 3rd, 2009 at 6:19 PM ^
O$U has a second year qb with a likely new cast of receivers. Michigan will have a likely new qb with a returning receiving corp.
We'll have to wait and see...
January 3rd, 2009 at 6:25 PM ^
but I would try to separate QB play from WR play. Additionally, I'm very skeptical of Forcier. He's saying and doing all the right things, but there's only so much success you can have as a true freshman. I think the frosh-soph jump is probably where you improve the most on average.
January 3rd, 2009 at 6:35 PM ^
Just being optimistic remembering Chad Henne, who was good as a freshman, but owed a lot to Braylon that year.
I'm just hoping that Matthews, Hemingway, and co. can help make someone look good next year.
January 3rd, 2009 at 6:44 PM ^
to Hemingway next season. We only got glimpses, but he made a real impression on me. Between him and Matthews, I think we'll be okay, but I don't think there's a New Math or Braylon there. Not like I'm going out on a limb with that.
January 3rd, 2009 at 6:33 PM ^
Terrelle Pryor is not a good passer yet - there is little doubt about that. His form is horrible, he doesn't plant his feet, his mechanics are more whipshot than anything else. He is not a prostyle quarterback, nor will he ever become one to be honest. There is just not enough arm strength or zip in his passes - plus he cannot throw the dreaded out route which separates men from boys in the pros. And if you don't think it cost them a game - then you probably need to rewatch the Penn State game. Forget about our game where I could point to multiple poor reads on his part. The Penn State game was abysmal by Pryor. He will not be a pro quarterback of any value (maybe another athlete but not quarterback), nor will he be as good as Troy Smith (that's right - I said it - Troy Smith could always throw the ball, make good reads, and was very accurate - from the time he stepped on campus actually - he suffered from what Tate does - he was not prototypical size).
Having said that, I would still take him to be my quarterback in a spread option. He will be in some bizarre conservative offense where he runs more than he throws at OSU. By the time he is a senior he will be torturing us with the naked bootleg, and other pocket movement reads but I am unsure how many deep bombs this guy he will be throwing. This was the same thing that plagued Young, but Texas moved him in the pocket and did a done of naked bootleg action (as all of us remember from David Thomas having a million catches against us). Pryor is a taller Vince Young, and that makes for a dangerous college quarterback in the right system. The spread option would have been the ideal system for him however. Sorry he didn't choose to go with that system - he will regret it in the end.
January 3rd, 2009 at 6:34 PM ^
I co-sign.
January 3rd, 2009 at 11:05 PM ^
This is the guy I am hoping has a break out year. He has the potential to be an all around beast. I mean, he has break away speed, good hands and size. If he makes a leap from freshman to sophmore then I'll be happy.
January 3rd, 2009 at 11:19 PM ^
Pryor's mechanics may be ugly, but that doesn't stop him from getting the ball to his receivers often enough to move the chains and score. He had a passer rating of 152, which is outstanding for anyone, let alone a freshman. He averaged over eight yards per attempt. He'll probably only play two more years of college ball.
January 4th, 2009 at 1:28 AM ^
he's pretty much indefensible at this point and lo forever more.