Got negged by two people the other day...that really hurt my feelings.
fair point that
Got negged by two people the other day...that really hurt my feelings.
Ok, I've ALMOST never seen a quality post actually lose points. Personally, I love the "There are ..." posts.
I was a regular as far as back as the Haloscan days, and that was pretty much madness in terms of having any sort of coherent thread or conversation. The MGoBoard is actually very clean and well-organized overall.
Two things I would like to see modified: (1) Shifting each comment's "score" to some place more obvious and away from the title, and (2) more flexibility with the comment-display threshold (it appears that the current lowest possible threshold is -1, but I'd rather set it at like -5).
I really don't like the current rating system for a bunch of reasons. Here are a few: using a dropdown menu to categorize is kind of a pain; i don't really understand how posts get tagged, like if a post is tagged once as funny and once as insightful what happens; putting the +5 and -1 limits makes it hard to scan threads for really great or controversial comments... I wanna know where the action is.
There's no opposites for "insightful" and "interesting" -- maybe "dumb" and "pointless" would work. Replace the useless "overrated" and "underrated" with those two and it would be more useful for me.
As it stands, I usually don't have a choice that even generally describes my negativity toward a comment.
I've noticed that using a different tag ups the total (up to 5, right?) but doesn't seem to change the original tag description. You'll notice a couple of "Flamebait" posts above with positive totals-- suggests that someone flamebaited a post that others thought worthwhile, and up-voted to counteract the flamebait label. But the label stays.
It is also not clear to me what I choose when I agree with an opinion, but don't want to post that I agree with it. I used to just +1. Now, all of these choices and none that just say "agree".
I guess I used to operate under the logic:
+1 = agree, funny / lmao, insightful / thanks for the information, or even disagree but appreciate your view point in the conversation
-1 = you sir are an ass, vehemently disagree, troll
(Suck up cat gifs didn't get anything from me.)
The point about points: everybody had their own logic, but by and large back before the implosion / iPhone only disaster, and before the complexity of these points cost your points and those points expire, it seemed like the point system self moderated the posts.
This new thing requires to much thinking now, but may grow on me with familiarity.
On the positive side, Brian is working to keep the blog "hip" with iPhone and Android apps and other improvements. I'll can deal with progress, because the underlying content and community -- especially for an M-fan in North Carolina -- is worth trying new things now and then.
I prefer to think of him by his One True Internet Name:
New Recent Hot Tom
I don't know where else to ask and I can't start threads, but whats happening with WTKA's website? The new site has been up for days yet there isn't a single podcast to listen to. Are they not going to let us listen to the shows later on cast anymore!?
I saw a notice somewhere that they were re-building the podcast page - the rest of the site has been redone.
I think from reading the blog for a while, I've been very impressed by how new users come on and post a shit-ton, get a bunch of points, then largely disappear. Some people seem to reply to every post and every comment, sometimes that's a benefit, and sometimes it's not. Consequentially, the mgoboard is hit or miss. no big deal. The reason most people are here is for the front page and the TomVH posts.
In general, worrying about points on a blog is a waste of time, but I do appreciate the OPs idea that points do have a negative side in that people post stupid things just to get points. I disagree that the system has ruined the blog. I do wonder how many less pointless posts there would be if Brian instituted a point ceiling, so that once you get 1000 points, you can only lose points for stupid comments. It will never happen though, so whatever.
Just becuase Brian has an opinion that doesn't agree with yours doesn't make him "pissy." It just makes him someone with an opinion different than yours. Besides, there are still plenty of subtle, smarmy, anti-RR bitching comments going on, too.
I don't agree with Brain 100 percent, but it IS his blog, and it is Brian who puts in the 80-100 hours a week or whatever it is to make it as good as it is. This sorta reminds me of something I used to say in my own coarse way until I heard a lot better version of it a month or two ago:
"If two people agree about everything, one is leading and the other is following."
As for points, I can take them or leave them. At best, they are the ultimate in self-moderation. At worst, they are like a bunch of high school kids deciding who to kick out of the pool. They usually work out more to the positive, but they are often decided more on emotion than anything resembling rationality.
Ultimately, though, Brian is allowing everyone in this community to participate in its editorial direction. That isn't all bad.
This post contributes nothing. Just posting for the sake of it.
To paraphrase: This "improvement to the point system" contributes nothing. Just "improving" for the sake of it.
Simple question: For all the legitimate back-and-forth debate about the value of a point system, does anyone think the recent "improvements" to the system do anything to enhance any benefits we were already getting from the existing point system? It all looks like unnecessary complication and clutter to me.
Now, get off my lawn.
Completely agree, but I moderated your post as "trolling" just because of how ridiculous the whole system is.
Such a great board, such an unnecessary change.
Now YOU get off MY lawn.
but I can't. My favorite side effect of the "new and improved" system is when someone says they can't moderate or plus/minus anymore -- which is true for me also -- and someone else responds by explaining that you just need to hit this or that button. Which, like duh, is great advice -- as long as the buttons show up in the first place. I've been poking the bejesus out of an imaginary "moderate" button, but strangely, nothing happens. Well, at least I've been cured of any tendency to over-vote.
Nice "flamebait", jerk
I've been reading for a few months and one thing that sticks out is everyone trys to be 'that funny guy', trying to get points for making a completley absurd and lame comment. It just throws everything way off topic and ruins the core discussion. Seriously some people need to stfu and not make stupid comments.
what she said. Hey-O!
This would be a much better place without all the riff-raff. It's hard to sort through the actual content and all the nonsensical jokes/gifs/etc.
As much as I like the board for its variety of opinions, sometimes I think it would be better just to read the main page and the diaries. Brian, Tim, Misopogon, and TomVH all do a pretty good job of sorting out the good information from the useless stuff. I could probably get almost as much info simply from reading the main page and such, but since I don't live in Wolverine country, this (and TTB) are virtually my only opportunities to talk about Michigan football.
I think I will reach a point in the not-too-distant future when I will leave it up to the aforementioned guys to sift through the content for me. It will be a sad day, but frankly, this site is getting too big and too many people are clamoring for MGoPoints.
The thing is, MGoPoints keep some people around...
...and they drive others away. I'm not sure which mode would be a better for business to Brian, but I get the sense that points are necessary now that this site has so many readers and commenters. The fact that 186 (and counting) comments have been made on this one thread is an indication that the board would probably be unmanageable without some way to rein in trolling/immature posters.
is that you care.
All jest aside, the MGoPoint system is fuel for nihilism. Quality and meaning are subdued by the artificial value of quantity and mass-appeal. Much like human personalities, internet comments are most popular when they reach a supreme lack of depth. These comments can be comprehended by all; and whatever might not be comprehended will be substituted with cognitive adjuncts -- "ideals" of the weaker minds.
mgoblog was once a niche community of intellectuals. But the powers that be have not deterred the swarm of plebeian gawking at the majesty the can scarcely comprehend. My guess as to why is the same as with all movements -- profit motive. dollars are measured in quantity, not quality.
My dollars are measured in quality. It doesn't do me any good to have a bunch of $1 bills if they're too crinkled to be accepted by the Snickers machine.
That is more or less where the place where I have come to, Magnus. I read the main page daily. Then some days I have a little extra time or am procrastinating on something and read a few threads that look like they could be interesting. It used to be that the threads were a constant companion throughout the day, relieving the boredom of being a one-man shop. It was like sitting in the coffee shop or the pub all day with a group of buddies talking about the football program we love. But now there is just too much, as you say, "riff-raff, to wade through. And coming to that realization that the site has changed enough that most days all I want to do is read the main pages and get on with my day is a sad thing. I miss that rowdy bistro from the "old days." It was sophisticated, informed and fun. Maybe points are just a sign of change, but in watching how things have changed since their introduction it seems to me that through the law of unintended consequences that they are the "problem."
I guess I took the time to vent in the OP on the chance that there is some solution that will be able to salvage enough of the character and spirit of the "old days" while allowing site to move forward with substantially increased readership and participation. It would have to be a system that does not reward posting for the sake of posting, that does not penalize people when they are unable to choose not to post for a period of time, a system that is easy and quick to use and a system that does allow the best content to come to the forefront.
You forgot to mention me, bro.
[insert Big Lebowski reference]