Michigan Men's Tennis Coach leaving for Florida

Submitted by Don on June 23rd, 2023 at 8:47 PM

Per the Michigan Daily twitter account:

https://twitter.com/theblockm/status/1672389846026051584?s=20

 

So we've lost an excellent baseball coach to Clemson and an excellent tennis coach to Florida. Is the weather up here really that bad, or is it something else?

Team 101

June 23rd, 2023 at 8:53 PM ^

They call it winter term for a reason.  The weather usually sucks until about a week before finals.  The indoor tennis facility though is really nice.

bronxblue

June 23rd, 2023 at 9:13 PM ^

This feels like an ongoing issue for northern teams with sports like baseball, tennis, golf that really do favor warmer weather when that simply isn't the case outside for long stretches.  It just sort of sucks but I'm also not really sure what UM can do about it.

The Sea Was Angry

June 24th, 2023 at 5:36 AM ^

This might be the best retort I've ever seen on this board. I'd love to see it actually motivate people in the future to hold their uninformed opinions to themselves or spend some time digging to find some actual supporting evidence, but that's probably foolish to think so. Just the same, thank you for this gem!

ThadMattasagoblin

June 24th, 2023 at 12:00 AM ^

I'd like to know what our retention of successful coaches rate is compared to other schools. I swear we've  lost at least 4-5 successful coaches since Warde has been here. Beilein, Bakich, Steinberg, the water polo coach. Then you have Hutchins retiring, and Harbaugh interviewing twice. The closest example I can think of is Florida losing Urban to health issues and Billy Donovan to the Thunder a decade ago. 

The Sea Was Angry

June 24th, 2023 at 5:31 AM ^

Seriously? You're using Beilein (multiple reasons cited here repeatedly over the years, including the recruiting landscape), Hutchins, (retired after how many years loyally remaining here?), and Bakich (clearly a better baseball opportunity) as three of your four examples. And then your piece de resistance--Harbaugh, who is still here?? The fact that four coaches have left in a short window doesn't mean Manuel is automatically to blame. 

I certainly am not defending Manuel. I have no idea how he is doing as an athletic director. However, this game of "Blame Manuel" every time something doesn't go our way is ridiculous and tired. Next time, please utilize some evidence that actually shows he is not doing his job.

Mocha Cub

June 23rd, 2023 at 11:56 PM ^

How'd Florida do last year though? How many times has Florida missed the NCAA tournament since 1991? Wow breaking news, tennis can be played indoors. The schools that play outdoors for most of their schedule are almost always the ones with a huge advantage when it comes tournament time. Only northern school to win an NCAA title is Illinois and that was 20 years ago. This isn't something you can debate away. Florida is a far better program than Michigan. Period.

ThadMattasagoblin

June 24th, 2023 at 12:18 AM ^

The point is that our AD should be fighting to keep our coaches here. Offer more money than Florida. Offer more money than Clemson. Dont turn down facility upgrades for baseball like it was reported that Warde did and was a component of Bakich leaving. Why don't  OSU, PSU or Notre Dame have as many coaches plucked away from them? Why don't we have a new contract for Harbaugh yet. What are we waiting for?

Mocha Cub

June 24th, 2023 at 12:46 AM ^

No, the point is that Florida is a top tennis program & Michigan historically is not. You tried saying there's no barrier to success because Michigan has an indoor facility. You're wrong on that point.  Now you're saying just pay him more than florida!! Y'all always jump on here & throw around other people's money like you're the ones paying salaries as if every decision is that simple. Sometimes it's best to keep your mouth closed & your fingers still when you don't know what the heck you're talking about. Silence is golden. Comparing this situation to Harbaugh not having a new contract is laughable btw.

The Sea Was Angry

June 24th, 2023 at 5:16 AM ^

Thank you for this. Blaming Manuel for anything that doesn’t go our way is such a common and lazy take on this board. While it’s possible he may not have done everything he could to retain this coach, we simply don’t know. Reminds me of so many political takes: blame it on so-and-so because they’re in charge and not my guy. Absolutely zero evidence—but an opportunity to bitch that apparently many can’t pass up. 

JonnyHintz

June 24th, 2023 at 7:49 AM ^

Why don't  OSU, PSU or Notre Dame have as many coaches plucked away from them?
 

Because, for the most part, they aren’t as successful in the non-revenue sports as Michigan is. The same time Bakich was poached to Clemson, OSU fired their baseball coach for a lack of success. 
 

Why don't we have a new contract for Harbaugh yet. What are we waiting for?

Didn’t we literally give him a new contract last summer? Is he not signed for multiple seasons already? Why exactly are you under the impression that we should be in a major rush to get an extension done? Obviously it’s not negatively impacting recruiting, so what’s the rush here? 
 

I don’t like a lot of things that have happened under Warde. He’s been far from perfect. But I understand why you don’t pay a coach like Bakich when Clemson comes calling. It. Doesn’t. Make. Sense. To. Pay. Big. Money. For. A. Mid-Major. Program. To. Have. A. Middling. Coach. I understand you’re going to lose coaches to better programs. It happens. That’s not on Warde and it’s not as simple as “pay them more.” 
 

You seem to have some personal vendetta against Warde for some reason and your criticisms of him border on irrational. Instead of focusing on the real issues of his tenure, you want to put blame on him for things like Beilein and Hutch RETIRING. Get a grip. 

Sambojangles

June 24th, 2023 at 11:36 AM ^

Because, for the most part, they aren’t as successful in the non-revenue sports as Michigan is. The same time Bakich was poached to Clemson, OSU fired their baseball coach for a lack of success.

Thank you, I love this so much. It's a lot like complaining "why does Michigan have so many more basketball players leave early for the NBA draft, 5 in three years under Howard, when other programs don't." It's because Michigan has recruited and/or developed much better NBA players! 

Side note, Notre Dame had their FOOTBALL COACH, the most important job of all, plucked away from them just last year. Whether they tried that hard to keep him is irrelevant, as long as we're judging athletic directors on how many coaches they keep vs lose to other jobs. 

mtzlblk

June 24th, 2023 at 1:29 PM ^

And exactly how do you know Warde didn't attempt all those things? If you're tapped into the internal working of the AD, by all means spill the beans, otherwise you're assuming none of those happened based on........nothing. 

There is a simple fact in warm weather college sports.....southern teams have an historic advantage in being able to practice and play outdoors much earlier than northern teams. Tennis has been played indoors for a long time and yet no northern schools have won an NCAA title outside of Illinois 20 some odd years ago. The advantage is in perception and recruiting AND the weather.

Also......people move, people want new challenges, new scenery, there may be other family factors involved with illnesses, etc., or....just plain old "tired of Michigan winters." The idea that Warde sits with complete control of all this and that the only thing that matters is waving a HUGE amount of $$ around every time a coach talks about leaving is ludicrous. 

Not to mention......any AD that simply folds and writes blank checks to every coach interested in another job, quite simply, isn't doing their job very well. He's managing a business and I can guarantee you if he went and sprayed enough money to keep a coach there would be just as many people on here trying to crucify him for not being responsible. 

Having coaches poached means you have staff that are in high demand and there is simply nothing to be done about some of them moving on beyond hiring bad coaches that aren't in high demand. 

Warde's job here at this point is to go out and get another great coach to help assure the team doesn't take too much of a dip, hopefully getting a young up and comer that will stay a while and perhaps even elevate the program with time. 

ak47

June 24th, 2023 at 10:54 PM ^

You have absolutely no idea how frequently osu and psu coaches who are good get poached in sports like baseball. You just come from a place that Michigan can be the best at everything and it’s unrealistic. Big ten baseball is the equivalent of the American conference in football. It’s a mid major. 

MaizeBlueA2

June 24th, 2023 at 7:45 AM ^

Came for the Warde comments from all the randoms who had no idea who this coach was or if the MTEN was any good before this post, but are undoubtedly going to bitch about it now.

As if a tennis coach leaving Michigan for Florida is somehow a weird thing.

I'm also trying to think of an AD who never loses a coach. I'll come back and edit if I find one.

PIJER

June 24th, 2023 at 11:40 AM ^

If you take a look at coaches salaries, Michigan pays competitively with the top salaried coaches in the nation. (Not necessarily the absolute top)

But, how much is the department supposed to invest in a non revenue sport? There is already significant investment in the athletes scholarships. If a coach feels he/she can do better financially, who can blame them for betting on themselves. 

I'm not sure what the salary raise would have been to keep Stienberg, but that would also set a precedence for other programs within the department. Also, having one less football game next year has to have played into the decision as well. 

Michigan Realist

June 24th, 2023 at 5:44 PM ^

Everyone is leaving for Florida from around the country. 
 

It’s the Desantis magnet. 
 

I know more Michigan fans in Florida than any other state besides Michigan.

I think there are a bunch in Loony Toon California. 

Couzen Rick's

June 24th, 2023 at 6:24 PM ^

All elite tennis prospects live in Florida. A friends kid is a tennis wiz at like 10 or so and they just moved down to FL to get him in one of the academies down there. 

DennisFranklinDaMan

June 25th, 2023 at 2:56 PM ^

This. Good God, people, Florida is where tennis people from around the world go. Steinberg's leaving is not Warde's fault. It's not anyone's fault. Sometimes coaches move on to other opportunities ... and sometimes they move from other opportunities to Michigan!

Johnny Orr left for Iowa State. Bill Frieder left for Arizona State. Bo almost left for Texas A&M. It's part of the process. Chill.

(Also: Steinberg's wife's family is in south Florida, which presumably also factors in).