MASTERS Posbang!

Submitted by The Maize Halo on April 11th, 2019 at 9:20 AM

Go Tiger! Spring is in the air! It's time for the greatest event in *non-collegiate sport!

EDIT:

Spring is most definitely not in the air...

SwitchbladeSam

April 11th, 2019 at 9:29 AM ^

I always put a little money on a longshot in hopes they make it to the weekend and make it interesting.  I took Kuchar this year. I wouldn't mind seeing Rory take it though

ijohnb

April 11th, 2019 at 9:34 AM ^

I have learned not to trust Rory in majors the last few years.  The engine revs but he has been missing that "next gear" that it looked like he had five years ago. 

Give me Adam Scott, flagstick in.

Tiger?  Makes a couple of putts....  /squints.  Longshot.

Others I would favor this week are Ricky Fowler (it's going to happen at some point), Bubba Watson, and Tommy Fleetwood. 

Kuchar is a good selection as well, though I fear that Kuchar is going to be one of the better players in a long time not to win a major.

Eli

April 11th, 2019 at 9:37 AM ^

Spieth seems to be a machine on this course so he’s my pick. I would like to see Kuchar get this win. Tiger being in contention would make it more interesting, but I don’t think he will ever win another major for multiple reasons. 

WindyCityBlue

April 11th, 2019 at 9:43 AM ^

Ok. I have a bit of a controversial question.

Why on earth do people still root for Tiger?  He’s no doubt probably the best golfer ever, but the guy is toast (ie will likely never win another major) and is a scumbag of a person. 

I don’t mind the negs if you feel so inclined to give me one, but I’d like a cogent stance as to why people root for this guy. 

Eli

April 11th, 2019 at 9:47 AM ^

I somewhat agree. I am more inclined to root for him now that he seems to have been humbled. Before two years ago he was completely unlikeable in my opinion. He was rude to fans including little kids and never seemed genuine (his cheating and infidelity obviously proved that to be true). He is the greatest golfer of this generation, but will never be the best because he will never pass Nicklaus in majors. The media keeps him relevant. 

Billy Seamonster

April 11th, 2019 at 9:55 AM ^

Completely agree with you. Didnt like him previously (respected his game) because of how he treated fans.

However, I think a lot has changed and he has been humbled. I just cant stand the media coverage of every shot of him when hes 10 strokes back of the lead. Drives me crazy.

ijohnb

April 11th, 2019 at 9:54 AM ^

First, I think it is very likely he will win another major.  He is back to being a very good player.  This is not a retirement tour.  He is ranked 13th in the world, won last year and finished second at the PGA.

Next, all of the athletes that people "adore" or root for have different shades.  They are all flawed people.  Tiger's flaws became very public and were more significant than most, so he deserved the public flogging that he received for nearly five years.  But he did receive it.  He took it.  He did not minimize his transgressions, he did not try to give himself an out.  He did not disappear. He faced them and has tried to overcome them. 

If you have not figured it out yet, the guy was an addict, probably for a long time before his DUI arrest.  It is not an excuse, but it is what it is.  He went a good ways down the rabbit hole and is trying to recover and do the right thing right now.  To a person everybody who has seen Tiger play live since his latest "comeback" has said he is far more approachable, far more considerate, and seems to genuinely want to help the game with his presence. 

I don't see the need to treat somebody as permanently disgraced for mistakes they have made.  The guy is an electric, iconic athlete and is incredible to watch.  He made some mistakes.  He isn't perfect.  I think it is time for people to get over it. 

DelhiWolverine

April 11th, 2019 at 11:51 AM ^

Pretty much articulates my own thoughts and feelings re: Tiger. I believe that people who screw up always deserve another chance. It’s especially laudable when they learn from their serious mistakes and grow into better people.

Speaking personally, my biggest screwups have often opened the door for the opportunity for my greatest personal growth and improvement. Sometimes people need to hit rock bottom in order to honestly self-assess and truly decide to change. It seems like that’s what has happened with Tiger and that makes it easy for me to cheer for him now. 

huntmich

April 11th, 2019 at 11:55 AM ^

Perfectly stated.

 

To add to this, I don't care about the personalities of sports pros, artists, etc. I am interested in greatness. Tiger did things in golf I've never seen anyone else do. I would love to see greatness from him again.

DCGrad

April 11th, 2019 at 11:38 AM ^

I think Tiger will probably win another major and he is far from washed up.  But when Tiger was dominant, he was the show and the other superstars in the sport were aging.  Phil Mickelson is/was a solid competitor, but Tiger was just better. 

Now, there are a ton of players who are younger and as good or better than the current version of Tiger.  Rory, Speith, Reid, Watson, Ricky are all capable of outp[laying a good Tiger Woods.  Even guys like Dustin Johnson and Justin Rose can play really well.

I think Tiger will win another major at some point, maybe even this weekend, but I think he has way more competition now than what he had when he was the young guy beating a bunch of aging golfers.

 

The Maize Halo

April 11th, 2019 at 9:57 AM ^

The reasons are multiple:

1)  He was a God of golf at his highest. Simply unstoppable. For kids like me born in the late 80's, 90's (aside from some early Freddy Couples love), Tiger simply was golf. He was must-see television. He made me (and probably millions of other kids) actually care about the boring thing my grandpa, dad, and uncle were always watching on tv on the weekends.

2) He actually was stopped -- not by any new golfer, but by his life and injuries.  The "God" actually became human. People started hating Tiger. Calling him an evil person. Saying he would never win again. It set the stage for a perfect comeback story.

3) He pushed through all of the nagging injuries and problems and actually won again! The story is almost complete. And WHEN he wins another major, he will be truly back!

4) It's motherfucking Tiger Woods.

 

rob50

April 11th, 2019 at 10:01 AM ^

Tiger brought the game of golf to an unprecedented number of people. He is a groundbreaking figure in his sport, like Arnold Palmer, Babe Ruth, Michael Jordan, etc. It's reasonable to expect the masses of people he introduced the sport to, to continue to cheer for him.

I'm not going to stop cheering for him because he had extra marital affairs, or because you don't think he is a nice person, but to each his own.

 

Jmer

April 11th, 2019 at 10:21 AM ^

I think before all his dirty laundry was aired out in public, people rooted for him because people like winners and when he was in his prime and on his game, he was almost untouchable. The most dominate golfer of all time. He drew so many people to golf because he was doing stuff weekly on the course that other pros would never do in their career. The TV ratings were bigger, the crowds were bigger, the tournament purse was bigger. Thus, he because main stream. He was selling Nike, Gatorade, Gillette, Rolex, EA Sports. He became bigger than the game itself. Much like Michael Jordan did.

Now people root for him either for nostalgic reasons or because they like a comeback story. 

 

I don't really like him because he is the reason I started golfing as a teenager. Because of him, I have a lifetime of frustration and sinking money into a game I suck at.

Logan88

April 11th, 2019 at 10:42 AM ^

...Because of him, I have a lifetime of frustration and sinking money into a game I suck at.

Believe it or not, you CAN give up golf. Like you, I was a golfer who hated golfing: it hurt my back and shoulder, I sucked at it and it costs a small fortune compared to other hobbies. It was like an addiction, though, I never thought I could stop.

But one day, I just...stopped. I haven't golfed in 5,684 days. 

P.S. My post is obviously tongue in cheek but it's also true. I feel your pain.

drjaws

April 11th, 2019 at 10:42 AM ^

People root for Tiger because for a long time he was the best golfer to ever pick up a set of clubs.

Also, a significant number of people don't care that he's a "scumbag."  I personally don't know why people care. I mean, tons of athletes that people root for were/are total scumbags.  Likely some you have or do root for.  

Examples include:  Kobe Bryant, Peyton Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Lenny Dykstra, Jason Kidd, A-Rod, Adrian Peterson, Ray Lewis, Ryan Lochte, Jameis Winston, Dez Bryant, Miguel Cabrera, Brett Favre, Floyd Mayweather, Mike Vick, Mike Tyson, Allen Iverson, Brandon Marshall, Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Leonard Little, Lance Armstrong, Daryl Strawberry, most of the entire Dallas Cowboys team from the 90s ..... the list goes on and on and on and on.

And this isn't a new thing either.  See:  Ty Cobb, Jim Brown, Babe Ruth

drjaws

April 11th, 2019 at 12:02 PM ^

Tons of people in St. Louis and Tennessee (college) were Little fans before he killed a woman drinking and driving.  Tons of those same people were still fans after he killed her because he "cleaned up his life" and got another shot at the NFL.  He still kept drinking and driving and having interactions with the police up to 2004 ... and still had fans.  Not sure what you're LMAOing about.

Peyton Manning - sexual assault followed by a smear campaign.  He got sued by the same person 3 times (and lost/settled all three times) because he couldn't stop messing with her (or having people mess with her).

Ryan Lochte - Got drunk in Rio, trashed a gas station bathroom, got in trouble and lied about it claiming he was "mugged," got arrested for being a douche canoe and got suspended from that.  Also suspended recently for "prohibited intravenous infusion."

drjaws

April 11th, 2019 at 2:40 PM ^

All 3 are fair. 

Lochte is still suspended for doping.  As of September 2018, there are still charges pending against him in Brazil for filing a false police report because he was drunk and belligerent in a foreign country.  

Also, I don't watch "news," mainstream or not, so I'm not really sure where you go that idea, or how that relates to Lochtes drinking problems and cheating.

Reggie Dunlop

April 11th, 2019 at 11:00 AM ^

Because he's the best to ever play the game and I don't stand in judgment of others from a billion miles away. I never rooted for him because he maintained a great marriage, so I didn't give a shit when he screwed it all up. He's the most cold-blooded assassin of an athlete I've ever seen and I can't wait to watch his next victory.

As for "the guy is toast" - A statement like that requires such a voluntary, head-in-the-sand, lack of golf knowledge wrapped in a burrito of spite that I'm struggling to understand why I responded to you in the first place. 

Hope this helped.

carolina blue

April 11th, 2019 at 11:39 AM ^

I don’t understand why people like yourself say he’s toast. He was in contention at the Open last year, won at East Lake, and has overall played extremely well. He’s 13th in the world right now...why is it unlikely he’ll win another major? 

As far as cheering for him? I like to see greatness. I could ask the same question about a whole host of great professional athletes, not the least of which is Michael Jordan. Why would you ever root for him?  Because he’s great and entertaining. Tiger appears to have atoned for his past and I hope to see him back at the top...and he’s nearly there now. 

WindyCityBlue

April 11th, 2019 at 12:22 PM ^

Thanks everyone for the comments/feedback.  Very helpful!

Without replying to everyone, my overall assessment as to why people still root for him revolve around:

1. They loved him when we was at his greatest

2. Hoping for a comeback of sorts (i.e. thinking that he can win another major)

3. Disregard/rationalize his scumbag behavior in the past

4. Like a good redemption story

BTW. I'm an avid golfer.  My first job was being a caddy and before I got married I had a pretty good handicap (around 11).  And I've golfed some of the best courses in the world. 

My thoughts on Tiger is that I've always respected his game - he is the best golfer to play the game.  However, his off the course antics were really bad - something I just can't look past as "simple mistake".  He admitted to having over 100 affairs while married and apparently slept with a 21-year-old daughter of a neighbor as part of this.  This is borderline sociopathic.

SMart WolveFan

April 11th, 2019 at 2:58 PM ^

Personally, I think the fact that Eldrick probably never had a normal relationship with anyone in his life is both the cause of and constant punishment for his behavior, but he seems intent on not doing that to his children so I respect that.

At the same time, I don't wish someone to fail at what they've dedicated their lives to doing well just because their Aholes; especially here, where he didn't seem to have a lot of choice and it probably cost him a chance at any real happiness.

I mean, if you had surgery tomorrow, would you want your surgeon to "fail" just cause he's an Ahole and sleeps around on his wife with way to young for him adults? 

Plus Bobby Jones was the greatest golfer of all time and unless someone else is gonna appear at all these tourneys for free even though everybody is them to see them play, that ain't changin.

 

WindyCityBlue

April 11th, 2019 at 4:27 PM ^

A few things:

1. Tiger Woods is not an a-hole.  He is much worse.  He's basically a sociopath.  I can handle being around a-holes, but not sociopaths.

2. With regards to my theoretical surgeon being an a-hole.  Bad analogy, since Tiger Woods has no impact on my life, so I don't care one way or another if he fails (or not).

3. Lastly, I don't want Tiger to "fail".  I simply don't root for him to succeed.  If he does in fact win a major, good for him, but I won't care much one way or another.

True Blue Grit

April 11th, 2019 at 10:05 AM ^

There's an interesting article in the WSJ today about how Augusta National has been buying up tens of millions of dollars of properties in the area immediately outside the country club property over the past number of years.  They've kept completely silent on why they're doing it.  But the obvious reason is they want to insulate the event more from the carnival atmosphere that exists in places right outside the gates.  Their ticket prices can keep most of the riff raff out, but apparently they want to increase the physical distance from them even more.  

1VaBlue1

April 11th, 2019 at 11:31 AM ^

I drove by Augusta National one time way back in the 80's.  The brief glimpses I saw were magnificent, but were so brief as to see nothing.  The entire perimeter is walled with 10' high shrubbery you simply cannot get through.  It's so very clear that the world inside the shrubs is totally different than the (more or less) run down area on the outside.  I'm not surprised in the least that the club is buying up surround parcels.  I am a little surprised it took them this long to do it.  Augusta National is one of the few remaining strong holds of private, unambiguously self-righteous, white privileged institutions in the world.  It gets a total pass, just like Duke bball!

That said, it hosts one of the best golf courses and tournaments in the entire world...

huntmich

April 11th, 2019 at 10:09 AM ^

So it's been a few years since I watched the streaming of the featured group early on Thursday. Is there not supposed to be any sound? I've tried two browsers, the commercials have sound, but the video itself does not.

 

Is this normal?

drjaws

April 11th, 2019 at 10:14 AM ^

Really want to see Kuchar win.  Best player yet to win a major.

My pick is a bit of a dark horse.  Alexander Schauffele.

This kid is only 25 and is in only his 3rd year on tour.  Yet he has 4 wins and two already this year (one a WGC event) and has 3 top 5 finishes in majors in his short career.  In 2019, he's 3rd in FedEx cup points, 3rd in on the money list and ranked 10th in the world.

The kid is really good and is going to win a major sooner than later.