i guess when Michigan gets bumped up to the NFL, they will already have their coach
Hoke NFL Caliber Coach per Analyst
...Carolina Panthers facing relegation?
We are finally getting promotion and relegation in American sports!
The Oakland A's should be in Triple A. The Blue Jackets in the AHL and the Minnesota Golden Gophers in the Big East.
Fortunately for us we never have to worry about Coach Hoke leaving for "greener pastures."
Hoke seems like more of a college guy than an NFL guy to me, he enjoys the leadership/teaching that comes with college kids (at least IMO). But he does have the CEO type attributes that lead to success, I could see him succeeding in the NFL if he wanted to (but I doubt he will).
And in terms of Kelly, that kind of tirade won't fly with millionaires. Pros can tune out good, established coaches and get them fired, I don't think NFL players would respect this very much:
There are two scenarios in which I see Hoke leaving Michigan.
1. He retires
2. He dies
3. He gets abducted by aliens
Space Emperor is a Michigan Man.
Can't let sparty play by themselves.
They'd always lose.
Zoltan would never allow for such a thing. Unless he needed someone to retrieve the M flag from the moon.
...in a further misapplication of its regulatory powers , the NCAA sanctions Michigan for failing to prevent a culture of pointing.
I've thought this since day one. Hoke has his dream job and will/has poured everything into it. I feel, if the winning percentage is above .680 or so, that Hoke will pull a Lloyd type career logging between 12-15 years before hanging it up. I don't think he will permanently leave though....he'll hang around in some capacity and that is a good thing. I would love to see the man win a NC as I think we would appreciate it a bit more than the typical BCS egoist coach.
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I think that underestimates the man. He's clearly too good for the NFL.
Of course he is too good for the NFL; he's a Michigan man.
If mothers and fathers of top level high school football players are willing to send their sons to play for Kelly, I think he will be fine in the NFL where the players should be able to handle such yelling (they are getting paid millions after all).
I'm saying they would tune him out after a while. The ND players certainly have at times. No eye contact, no desire, the way he is talking to them isn't motivating college kids to play better. Will that work with professionals?
This is pretty silly. The guy lists chip kelly and brian kelly on his top 5 of NFL ready coaches and both run spreads that would never work in the NFL. Also, Brian Kelly lacks the rsume of an NFL coach.
You've seen the Patriots play, right? Notice the all shotgun, spread formations?
Clearly if one firmly established head coach with an extremely talented and established team can use the spread in certian situations, then a college coach can come in and use it all the time!
Ah yes, all those extremely talented running backs and wide receivers they are working with like Kevin Faulk and 90 year old Deon Branch. The only constants they have had are Tom Brady and Wes Welker, who aren't extremely talented, just extremely smart. The Patriots have had one of the best offenses in the league with Tom Brady handing off to no one and having 1 legit main target (Moss)
Not that I'm agreeing with the spread doesn't work in the NFL guy, but the Pats have a pretty solid O-Line too. Also, I think people tend to lump in all "spread" type offenses into sweeping statements. For instance, I haven't seen a mobile QB rushing type spread work consistently in the NFL. Please let me know if I'm missing something. On the other hand, the west coast type passing spread has been very successful. The term "spread" isn't as all-encompassing as it is used on this board.
The spread works in the NFL; it's just the "option" part that doesn't. The Run and Shoot turned the worst franchise in the league into one that actually made the playoffs. The return of the Lions to the "typical" NFL offense under Bobby Ross was so bad that Barry Sanders retired rather than face the consequences of what would have been multiple concussions.
NFL teams have used the spread since the 1970's; they call it the "two-minute offense." It's no accident that teams often score more in the last few minutes of the game than the rest of the game combined.
The reason it hasn't been used more is coaching politics. Coaches hate change, and the last thing the "old guard" wanted was to have their apple carts upset, especially after it took so long to build them.
The new form of an NFL offense, when it fully arrives, will probably be called a "hybrid," but it will mostly be standard NFL plays out of spread formations. Most of all, though, they will keep the "Billy Bob runs it up the middle" play for the red zone and for running out the clock. That will answer and silence the main objection to anything resembling the run and shoot or spread for years.
Barry Sanders had his most productive season ever under Bobby Ross in 1997.
Cam Newton had 706 rushing yards and 14 TD's last year. I understand that he's generally the exception to the rule, but he is also a proof of concept if you will.
You didn't just try to compare Oregon's read-option offense to what the Patriots run, did you?
Its a spread and they're all the same. So if a coach runs a spread, it will automatically be the exact same as Oregon and that means we want the coach more than any other coach.
Tried to hire Chip Kelly.
Oregon pays their roster much more generously than Tampa Bay. Chip would be facing a significant drop in talent.
Brian Kelly wouldn't last more than half a season in NFL before losing the lockeroom, and having some player punch him in the face during a game.
This. Just try to imagine Brian Kelly's approach working with Ray Lewis. It would only backfire and you would have a mutiny.
...by a plea deal and a pair of acquittals.
When your cable goes out you get bored.
When you get bored you coach Notre Dame football.
When you coach Notre Dame football you think you're better than you are.
When you think you're better than you are you go to the NFL.
When you go to the NFL you attempt to coach Ray Lewis.
When you attempt to coach Ray Lewis you get the evil eyes.
And when you get the evil eyes you wind up dead.
Don't wind up dead and switch to Direct TV.
...now only for pictures/.gif slides.
Ray Lewis doesn't get mad, he gets stabby.
A lot of coaches are smart to not fall for the lure of coaching at the so-called "next level". Hoke is one of them. He'll never leave for the NFL, even if he could be successful and make more money there. When Nick Saban left the Dolphins for 'Bama, he likened coaching in the NFL to working in a factory. That's an apt metaphor. As an NFL coach, you're not in charge of building and maintaining a program. You're just a foreman who is paid to supervise employees who make more money than you and whom you have no authority to hire or fire. The mentorship aspect of coaching is also less pronounced in the NFL, since the players are all grown men whose skills and personalities have already been shaped to some extent.
The annual salaries might be good in the NFL, but I wouldn't be surprised if a top college coach can make almost as much in the long term. Coaches who last more than 4-5 years at one stop are rare in the NFL, whereas a reasonably good coach of a major program (other than Notre Dame) can last anywhere from 10 years to as long as he wants. Seeing as the money is in the silly range anyway, I know I would take the certainty and stability over the constant possibility of getting fired over one bad season and having to uproot my family every few years.
if Brock Huard says so, then I guess that settles it. Up next, an article where Bobby Higginson says Carol Hutchins could manage in the majors. They're running out of stuff to print this summer.
Relax, it's the end of June. There is not a whole lot to talk about. This is at least an interesting debate relevant to our interests.
They may as well write an article about how Hoke could coach in the NBA. His chances of leaving for either are equal.
Now, if Brock Landers had said it, we'd be cookin'.
Fergodsakes!!!! Where else would he want to be?
I think Brian Kelly is an A-hole, but Charlie Weis was a very successful NFL coach that failed at ND like every coach has since Lou Holtz. I don't think being an A-hole and failing at ND (possibly) can be the only criteria used for judging a Coach's NFL potential.
Successful coordinator under Bill Belicheck. The pats also haven't dropped off really since he's left so let's give more credit to Belicheck then Weiss.
The most impressive thing on Weis' resume is his one season with the Chiefs, when he coordinated the 12th ranked offense in the NFL despite having Matt Cassel at QB. In five years with the Patriots - with a future Hall of Famer at QB - the Patriots ranked 22nd, 19th, 21st, 17th, and 7th in the NFL in offense.
Somehow people still regard him as an offensive mastermind, presumably because he won 3 Super Bowls with a dominant defense, even though he's never coordinated a very good offense.
Brian Kelly is an all time ass-hat and if he lost it on an NFL sideline like he does at ND then he'll lose his players in a heart beat. But maybe, just maybe that kind of behavior works on sensitive, over paid millionaire NFL types.
My point was that it sounds funny to agree with someone's opinion of a coach we all love, but dismiss his opinion on a rival coach we all hate.
Describing Kelly as an NLF-quality coach is a hell of an unintentional insult. I like to picture the NLF as a knockoff upstart with teams like the Oakland Pirates and the Green Bay Sackers. TO is on a roster. It will fold within three months.
Not necessarily opposed to having good assistants, but there are certainly some (like RR) who were opposed to getting good assistants and just letting them do their job without trying to, say, impose a 3-3-5 on a 4-3 coordinator
who say, wouldn't give coordinators more than 1 year contracts to let the coach hire who he wants to (like RR).
In any event, yes, there are coaches who are afraid to hire good assistants. The worry is that if an assistant becomes too good he'll overshadow the head coach. It's an ego/power thing.
RR deserved to be fired for making some very bad defensive hiring decisions (Gibson, GERG, meddling & then bailing on Shafer); but it's a pretty well documented fact that he habitually begged the best DC he knew (Casteel) to come with him to Michigan, he even fought with the administration repeatedly about it. 99% of the defensive woes started there.
Fair question. Perhaps "high profile" would have been a better choice of words. I like Hoke's quiet self-confidence, that he doesn't seem threatened by Borges/Mattison getting a lot of credit and press.
Or to use another example much less nearer and dearer to our hearts, go to a prison or K-mart checkout line and ask an OSU fan about Tressel keeping Jim Bollman and Nich Siciliano; the general scuttlebutt amongst the Buckeye faithful - and I think they're right on this count - is that those two guys were pretty much yes-men for Tress.
Regrettably it's not like we can mock the results Tressel got with his staff but it's certainly fair to say that he created a culture where he had unparalleled control of everything and it definitely worked so long as a) he was at the controls and b) he didn't have to forward e-mails to compliance.
THE KNOWLEDGE prognosticated this a few months back.
It seems to me that Hoke's style of leadership is ideally suited for college football, but at the same time, I believe that this is a good compliment coming from Huard.
As someone pointed out in the " Hokeification" thread, he has a very unusual to connect with people and players, which is a skill that I see as far more effective with student-athletes than with paid personnel, especially millionaires. It seems to me that most NFL players tend to see their coaches merely as a supervisor to whom they nominally report, which tends to preclude the meaningful personal connections that Hoke is good at making. He seems genuinely drawn to the mentorship aspect of the game, and he has built a staff that is of the same mindset, and there is not a whole of teaching that seems to go on in the pros.
Of course, he has always said that this was his dream job anyway, and I think part of that is because of things (interpersonal connections mainly) that he wouldn't necessarily find in the culture of the NFL.
Keep your hands off our coach, fergodsakes.
Told us that Brady Hoke would be an NFL coach one day, did he not? I don't want Hoke to leave either, but we do have to remember the Knowledge's impressive record.....
This is a good article for us. It suggests that our coach is so good that NFL teams would like him - but they won't, since this is his destination job.
This is great news, and good publicity for Hoke and Michigan...but the beauty of Brady is that he won't be heading to the NFL. He's a Michigan Man, and he'll almost certainly retire as a Michigan Man.
Michigan is a destination job. Hoke has said repeatedly that he has arrived at where he wants to be for the rest of his career. He seems to thrive in a college environment, because he wants to teach kids about more than just football. And young players respond to that, especially at a place like Michigan, where a football player is going for more reasons than to win a national title. NFL players, on the whole, probably don't give a crap about their coach's life lessons. They only want to hear about what makes them better as a team.
I personally don't think he'd have the same kind of success in the NFL. No discredit to Hoke, as the man's ability to coach is phenomenal, but I don't think he's well-suited for a place where the athletes are motivated by a paycheck.
I hope Hoke doesn't leave, I think he is great for College Football. Someone you can plaster the "THIS IS HOW YOU DO IT RIGHT" label on.
BKs gimmicky offense would never fly in the NLF or even the NFL.