Do "Rockstar coaches" cause more or less turnover?
Longtime lurker, first time poster, so forgive me. But a thought ran through my head while reading a diary about current talent on the roster. Does anyone have any insight into whether a big name coach is more or less likely to retain talent? Essentially what I am asking is, does a "rockstar coach" lend itself to players heading for the hills a la Bo, or are players generally excited to be playing for someone who can get them to the next level?
January 1st, 2015 at 3:01 AM ^
No problem. Any defections will be more than compensated for by players who are excited to play for a top coach.
Bo wasn't a "rockstar" when he first became head coach. Players left because the conditioning and expectations for effort were so demanding.
But that all turned out just fine.
January 1st, 2015 at 1:56 PM ^
Yes, that's true. I knew some of the guys on Bo's first team.
The guys I knew who stayed were the most serious players who said that they wanted NFL careers, and quite a few got that accomplished. The guys who left were generally guys who didn't plan on playing after college.
Back in the 60s, there were players who wanted a little college glory and never planned on or wished for an NFL career. In fact, in those days lots of NFL guys weren't paid enough to have football be their whole career, and had off-season jobs. My dad knew some Lions players who were automotive manufacturer's reps in the offseason, where they could get in the door based on their playing fame.
January 1st, 2015 at 3:07 AM ^
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January 1st, 2015 at 4:02 AM ^
With a coach like Harbaugh, the players who are worth it will stay. Those who leave will be losers.
January 1st, 2015 at 6:19 AM ^
what about those who stay?
January 1st, 2015 at 6:42 AM ^
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January 1st, 2015 at 3:12 AM ^
Posted this in another thread:
You know, it would be intimidating playing for a guy like Harbaugh. He demands the best and then some. I hope Brady's recruits are ready to work harder than they ever have. Those who stay wil be champions. The road will be amazingly difficult though.
So yes, on the surface I am potentially worried about guys and depth in the program who maybe aren't up to the challange... Saying that, Brady coached with this program and is a Michigan man who understands what it means to play for this caliber of program. So at the end of the day, I will trust in Michigan, and I will trust Harbaugh. I mean the guy played under Bo and DItka for crying out loud. You don't get too much more legit than that.
There will be some who will want to leave. The rest? Well, you know the saying. I think great things are coming for the Universty of Michigan. Harbaugh will turn these young men into winners.
I'm also rather drunk now.
January 1st, 2015 at 3:23 AM ^
Well said, and I agree. "Those who stay" and all that jazz, but I wouldn't be surprised to see some players drop. Not saying it is right, or that it isn't, But Harbaugh is a maniac. He is going to weed out those that don't fit his program and there might be some turnover in the next couple months. Just curious if there is any data on it.
January 1st, 2015 at 8:45 AM ^
For being a little drunk. Happy New Year.
Concern starting to pop up on here last couple of days. Harbaugh is a great coach any of the players that want to be coached up will not even consider leaving, others will be wanting to come to Michigan for just that reason.
ESPN Writer Articles have been popping up all over the place about Jim Harbaugh and just how competitive he is, though they try to make him look like maybe he is too competitive - sorry it is just not working with me.
When has anyone on here ever heard of players that Jim has coached coming out of the woodwork and say Jim was to hard on me?
We just got a great coach, we have needed him for years.
Let's appreciate the Good!
Go Blue!
January 1st, 2015 at 10:44 AM ^
Nobody's going to put it that way: "he was too hard on me".
Baldwin has softened; Sherman hasn't.
Harbaugh's probably mellowed a bit since then, too.
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January 1st, 2015 at 7:30 AM ^
If most of the recruits brought in with the classes from 2012, '13, '14, & '15 are in the similar character mold of Mason Cole, Bryan Mone, and Jabrill Peppers things will be stellar. If on the other hand there are a number of...well, players that do just enough to get by things will get challenging.
My thinking is that 2015 will more closely resemble 2011 than 2008 both with roster stability and on field production.
January 1st, 2015 at 7:26 AM ^
Who can't take Harbaugh's perfectionism and in-your-face approach. I've felt for a while that Hoke' s teams played soft, like they haven't been challenged enough. An example is players getting patted on the back when they came off the field after making a bad play like a turnover or penalty. Or guys like Funchess constantly taking plays off or not going all out to catch balls and still keeping their starting job. Harbaugh won't put up with that.
January 1st, 2015 at 7:51 AM ^
It is not about the rock star, it is about the hard work that JH wants his team to put in. Some may just opt to transfer due to the seemingly high demand and expection.
Those who stay will be gold (Champions).
January 1st, 2015 at 8:04 AM ^
Don't believe everything you read!
Those who stay, will be Champions....
January 1st, 2015 at 8:45 AM ^
Like Anthony Davis said in an interview the other day regarding Harbaugh and practice:
"He was pretty good at making it suck."
That's a good thing if done a certain way, in my opinion, and I suspect that you do get some attrition, but the players who share that intensity, competitiveness and work ethic remain and you are the better for it.
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January 1st, 2015 at 11:33 AM ^
I also remember reading in Three & Out how Rich Rod basically forced a number of slackers (Justin Turner was the only specific name I recall) out when he took over at Michigan.
It seems to suggest that struggling programs tend to accumulate some dead weight, and a new coach has to get rid of it when he arrives--whether by dismissing guys outright (ala Strong & Gundy) or by demanding more from them in conditioning and practice than they can handle (ala Rich Rod and Bo).
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