Did the B1G or ncaa ask about the source or methods of how the Stalions evidence was acquired?
I may have missed it with all of the madness, but do we know how the initial information was shared with the B1G, NCAA, or coaches? Is the known source si far just the wapo and thamel?
Maybe it’s my maize colored glasses, but at this point wouldn’t the B1G ask osu how they acquired the information? The first follow-up question when getting something big is, ‘how did you get this?’ Or ‘where did you find this?’
It’s entirely plausible that day’s brothers were involved. If the reports about day’s involvement are true, wouldn’t or shouldn’t that open up the conversation about whether or not osu broke rules and illegally accessed Michigan’s signs, practice footage and other football specific on-field game and practice information?
I just find it hard to believe that they have a signed expense report without illegally accessing Michigan’s computers.
If I’m a big ten coach, I’m asking this before getting riled up because who know what info they have on me.
November 4th, 2023 at 3:05 PM ^
Potentially? Maybe? Possibly? Equivocally?
November 4th, 2023 at 3:06 PM ^
Not that we know. There are too many unknowns at this point.
November 4th, 2023 at 4:26 PM ^
We do know that Ryan Day said, "no comment" when asked if there was any connection between him, his brothers and the investigation. And honestly, in my opinion, he looked a little suspicious, dodgy and uncomfortable when he said "no comment."
"no comment"? Here is the video link.
That question would be a very easy thing to categorically deny. Why would he not shoot that question down?
Example: Were you in DC on January 6th? "no comment" Um, ok.
An absurd question is not only easy to deny, but also in your best interest to deny in order to put an end to crazy speculation . . . unless . . .
November 4th, 2023 at 4:38 PM ^
Day always looks that way. The sleaze look.
November 4th, 2023 at 5:15 PM ^
No comment is as damning as an admission. If he weren't linked to them he would have just denied it.
November 4th, 2023 at 3:06 PM ^
There are a lot of unknown unknowns surrounding this clown show.
November 4th, 2023 at 3:08 PM ^
You can’t know what you don’t know. Unless you’re all-knowing. In which case, you know there’s nothing you don’t know.
November 4th, 2023 at 3:11 PM ^
It's difficult to know what you don't know.
November 4th, 2023 at 3:14 PM ^
In epistemology, this is what we call second-order epistemic unavailability. :-)
November 4th, 2023 at 3:20 PM ^
It is challenging to definitively prove the existence of second-order epistemic unavailability, as it relies on knowing what we don't know. It is possible that some knowledge appears unavailable simply because we lack the necessary tools, concepts, or perspectives to access it. As our knowledge and understanding evolve, what once seemed unavailable may become accessible. I'm other words, fuck Ohio State, this is a fucking orchestrated witch hunt by them and NCAA is happy to go along with it.
November 4th, 2023 at 4:06 PM ^
This is not a witch hunt. This is a hit job by a flash mob.
November 4th, 2023 at 3:22 PM ^
How do know that you can't know what you don't know if you don't know what you can't know? You know?
November 4th, 2023 at 3:24 PM ^
I will be god-damned before I get corrected by a smooth-brained, chlamydia-ridden marsupial
November 4th, 2023 at 3:26 PM ^
No offense intended, of course
November 4th, 2023 at 4:17 PM ^
It’s almost like they should formally investigate before making decisions about penalties.
November 4th, 2023 at 3:08 PM ^
Survey says.....
November 4th, 2023 at 3:08 PM ^
Did anyone ask Connor Stallions how he was so good at his research?
Yes, yes, different things, different scenarios.
November 4th, 2023 at 3:16 PM ^
I asked him if he had a badge. He said “We don’t need no stinkin’ badges”.
November 4th, 2023 at 3:19 PM ^
Do we even know if he was good at his research? At least one member of his "vast network" didn't stay past halftime of the game he was supposed to be scouting because it was raining.
Per Isaiah Hole, the sign stealers of various Big Ten schools apparently meet regularly to discuss their findings, so that may have given him more information than the "vast network" did.
November 4th, 2023 at 3:28 PM ^
“Per Isaiah Hole, the sign stealers of various Big Ten schools apparently meet regularly to discuss their findings, so that may have given him more information than the "vast network" did.”
I remember seeing that somewhere. If that’s the case, it’s surprising to see other b1g coaches mob up without knowing what skeletons are in their closets
November 4th, 2023 at 3:39 PM ^
Stealing signs isn't against the rules. That's what's particularly annoying about this whole saga - the very thing that has fans and the media most worked up is allowed, and common, in college football.
The actual issue here is about scouting in person, but that doesn't move the needle for the general public in the same way.
Regardless, Stalions' methods seem so amateurish and careless that it's hard to imagine he was any kind of expert at this.
November 4th, 2023 at 3:49 PM ^
Sure, but if you’re comparing notes with other staffers who have been at games in person, is that really so different than hiring someone to scout for you?
November 4th, 2023 at 3:54 PM ^
No, but it's also not even clear if the "vast network" violated the rules or not, despite all the media sensationalism.
The only unambiguous NCAA violation here is attending the CMU game, if in fact that was him.
November 4th, 2023 at 6:04 PM ^
The kid was highly ambitious and trying to get ahead, and trying to help our team. I have no ill will here.
November 4th, 2023 at 5:39 PM ^
I'm assuming he was good at his job, yes. He had the ear of both coordinators on the sidelines on game day.
November 4th, 2023 at 4:23 PM ^
Um, the guy was maniacally obsessed with Michigan. It sounds like he was constantly watching game films (not just shitty student recordings). So yeah, a guy who works crazy hours and thinks about his job 24–7 should be expected to be good at the thing he’s hired to do.
November 4th, 2023 at 3:26 PM ^
As far as I can tell there is no official investigation, so who would be asking those questions?
November 4th, 2023 at 3:40 PM ^
Ask the Omniscient Hole.
November 4th, 2023 at 3:41 PM ^
Still so many unknowns. We didn’t learn, but rather confirmed, that Ryan Day = bitch.
November 4th, 2023 at 3:43 PM ^
There’s no such thing as illegal search and seizure unless it’s done by a federal, state or municipal government. But there is felonious unauthorized access of a computer system. It would have nothing to do with the NCAA though, unless they were aiding and abetting the perps.
November 4th, 2023 at 4:14 PM ^
But if someone is out to get you so badly that they would commit felonies to do so, how reliable is anything that they turn over? Would OSU plant info if it would damage Michigan? Day seems pretty unhinged these days, so probably?
November 4th, 2023 at 4:26 PM ^
If you think Day's unhinged you should meet his window-smashing brother.
November 4th, 2023 at 4:49 PM ^
Not sure if he’s unhinged. He’s a next level bitch. Went from hang 100 to next level snitch.
November 4th, 2023 at 4:50 PM ^
I think the real question is whether any of the criminal rules of evidence even apply. Not sure how that works. Might have no issues admitting as evidence.
November 4th, 2023 at 5:34 PM ^
The evidence is the evidence. I get that. I think that natural follow up question is either “how” or “where”.
The issue if it’s literally illegal, not against the rules, is a slippery slope and Pandora’s box.
November 5th, 2023 at 1:17 AM ^
People tend to throw a lot of those phrases around including things like their 5th amendment rights and so on.
Although one is criminal, I'm pretty sure the NCAA could/should investigate a rival university accessing another school's computer system used by the athletic department. If, sending a 3rd party to video tape games has the Big Ten in an uproar, what does accessing their computer system garner? What else could have possibly been compromised? Playbooks, recruiting information...
November 4th, 2023 at 4:57 PM ^
I don’t think it really matters. This isn’t a criminal issue and the NCAA isn’t charging Michigan with a crime. Within the NCAA jurisdiction it doesn’t matter HOW the info is obtained.
If the info was obtained illegally, that’s an issue Michigan would need to address with actual law enforcement and go that route, but it doesn’t impact how it is viewed by the NCAA.
November 4th, 2023 at 8:48 PM ^
I had heard it was Matt Rhule who blew the whistle. The story I heard was some of the NFL players were talking about it when he was there. Then UM stomped Nebraska. So, he was pissed.
But I also heard a story it was someone from AA that turned them in. The same person who turned Jim in for his recruiting during covid and for the analyst being on the practice field.
So who knows?
November 5th, 2023 at 1:20 AM ^
Serious question the videos that they keep showing of Stallions on the sideline next to Minter are those from the all 22? Cause if not why are they recording the sideline that’s a violation.
November 5th, 2023 at 12:10 PM ^
What does everyone think of Bacon naming Jim Stapleton as the source of everything coming out about the program?
if we look at the big picture I have always thought it was in house. Look at original allegations - how would any other coach know an analyst was on the practice field 1 day? During covid how would any other coach know Jim's exact whereabouts?
Stapleton makes a lot of sense. He reportedly hates Jim. He reported was the reason the Vikings passed on him. Now he reportedly is on the NCAA infractions committee. He has contacts at the university. Remember it was the NCAA that notified all the schools about this scandal.
Lets compare that to the rumor it was OSU. Day would have to have a spy in the stadium for every practice to see the analyst 1 day on the field. He would have to have a tracker on Jim to know where he was the entire dead period for Covid. He would have had to known about Stallon to sick his retired DEA agent brother on him. Then said brother had too talk a PI Agency he does not own or work for into breaking privacy laws. Then they have to secretly get that information to the infractions committee. Where Stapleton just happens to be.
I know the rivalry is all that but let's be honest. Stapleton makes a lot more sense if everything Bacon says is true.