Could someone give me refresher on what our Viper responsibilities are please

Submitted by Yessir on September 6th, 2019 at 7:39 PM

I watched the game again(and again and again) and was a little confused at times where Hudson lined up and what he did after the snap.  

What are the basics for Michigan's viper role? 

Thank you in advance MGoBros.  

 

stephenrjking

September 6th, 2019 at 7:50 PM ^

In general it has been a close-to-the-line safety / run support / blitz role. 

Hudson occasionally wound up single high Saturday. I haven’t yet bothered to find out if he did that last year, too, but that means there is flexibility between roles. 

DrMantisToboggan

September 6th, 2019 at 7:52 PM ^

We did that some with him last year, yes. Trying to remember specific opponents - fairly confident we did it against Nebraska? - but I know that it's not new. I'm assuming we do it with opponents that are more apt to going 4-wide, where we'd prefer Metellus or another safety to be in coverage, and for Hudson to be the free hitter.

Edit: Indiana is the game I found. Here, at the 3:17 mark, Hudson is the single high safety: https://youtu.be/K0-TNB5Z_oQ?t=197

DrMantisToboggan

September 6th, 2019 at 7:50 PM ^

So, the Viper role is more about physical attributes in 2019 than positional and responsibility consistency. We have a Viper to get someone on the field that runs like a safety but brings the physical force of a linebacker - hence Jabrill Peppers playing at 210, Khaleke playing at about 220.

They're not consistently playing a field-side hybrid LB position. As you saw, Khaleke is playing anywhere from traditional LB depth, to deep Safety, to on the LOS. It's totally dependent on what we want to show the other team and what part of the field/offensive attack we want our "Swiss Army Knife" to cover on any given play.

TL;DR - There isn't really a single, consistent set of responsibilities for that position.

LeCheezus

September 6th, 2019 at 9:28 PM ^

My understanding is that from a basic Don Brown X's and O's 4-2-5 perspective, the Viper is usually on the strong side of the formation (where the TE is) with the Anchor (previously Gary but not sure if this is really Paye or Hutchinson this year as both seemed to play it at times).  If you designate Khaleke as "all time" Viper, then the definition gets a bit vague as he moves around on some different defensive formations as you noted.

DrMantisToboggan

September 6th, 2019 at 10:10 PM ^

This would be true of the HSP or Nickel in a base 4-2-5. Don Brown doesn't really run a basic 4-2-5 that frequently though, so I think it's just more helpful to label Khaleke the Viper due to his physical traits. Sometimes our Viper looks like a SAM in a 4-3 Over, sometimes he looks like the SAM in a 4-3 Under, sometimes he's your FS in Cover 1...

To me, the essence of a Viper is more about the physical traits of the player than the position. This is why the coaches talked to Dax about "Viper" when they were recruiting him. Daxton Hill's responsibilities at Viper would be different than Khaleke's, because they're different physically. It's an amoebic position that gets deployed based on the opposing offense and the physical traits of the guy manning the position.

UMDWolve

September 6th, 2019 at 7:57 PM ^

The viper player slithers up to the ball carrier and strikes in the blink of an eye, injecting enough gentle anesthesia to put them into sleepy time until the end of the game, whereupon they wake up feeling rejuvenated and refreshed.

gremlin3

September 6th, 2019 at 9:25 PM ^

The basics for Viper is that he's a safety type replacement for a Sam linebacker in a traditional 4-3.  In a traditional 4-3, the Sam aligns to the offense's strong side, and if that side has at least 2 WRs, the Sam's alignment is halfway b/w the #2 WR and the OT to that side.  With today's spread offenses almost always having 2 WRs to the strong side, it no longer makes sense to employ a traditional Sam but to have your base defense have a strong safety/DB type in that role, hence, the Viper.

Additionally, Don Brown has a TON of funky packages (Cheetah, Pup, Nascar, etc.) and so that's how you can see (for example) a) a Sam such as Josh Uche on the field at the same time as Hudson, and b) Hudson lined up as a deep middle of the field (MOF) safety.

The reason to run these funky packages is twofold: 

  1. Get your best personnel for a given situation on the field.
  2. Don't allow the opponent to know what you're doing with your scheme.

Hope this helps.

Yessir

September 6th, 2019 at 10:56 PM ^

I saw it and it did and does still throw me off.  

I thought I had the viper thing down after the first year and for some reason I'm understanding it less as we go along.  

Thanks to MGOBros in this thread, it's sinking in again.  

Now after tomorrows game?  Who knows.  

turtleboy

September 7th, 2019 at 3:22 AM ^

I thought viper was a car alarm system. Sorry,  I'm old, I'm in my 30s, get off my lawn. 

As far as I know a vipers responsibilities are commensurate with their skill. If Jabril Peppers or Cato June is on your team,  then a Viper is a SS/ WDE hybrid that both blitzes, and pass projects. They cover a lot of bases so other players can focus on more singular roles. 

turtleboy

September 7th, 2019 at 3:27 AM ^

I thought viper was a car alarm system. Sorry,  I'm old, I'm in my 30s, get off my lawn. 

As far as I know a vipers responsibilities are commensurate with their skill. If Jabril Peppers or Cato June is on your team,  then a Viper is a SS/ WDE hybrid that both blitzes, and pass projects. They cover a lot of bases so other players can focus on more singular roles. 

CoverZero

September 7th, 2019 at 11:47 AM ^

Viper is a Strong Safety.  Its the most fun position to play on defense.  You need to be a good enough athlete to drop in to coverage, a good enough football player to read offenses, take proper angles, get off blocks and more.  The Viper can play up in the box vs. run, blitz and rush the QB in certain situations, cover the TE or Slot in other cases, or if facing trips or 4 wr, can cover a receiver split out as well (though these days, the Viper would be off the field for another corner in such a situation).  Depending on alignment, the Viper can also have edge support responsibilities. 

Vipers need to be able to run, hit, be incredibly smart and have a love for the game and a violent thirst for action.