Can't help but be jealous of Ga Tech....
They hired Paul Johnson the same year that we hired RR, and they've had 2 solid years with a 20-6 record and are BCS bowl bound now. I'm all in for RR but it just sucks that we're gonna have to give it time while they had one of the smoothest transitions.
p.s. I still agree that I made the best decision of my life when I choose to attend Michigan over Ga Tech for engineering 4 years ago :)
December 6th, 2009 at 6:05 PM ^
Nesbit and a non depleted roster. RR had Sheridammit.
December 6th, 2009 at 9:32 PM ^
easily.
December 7th, 2009 at 2:04 AM ^
Now GA Tech has Threet. I still am a firm believer that Threet could have been a decent 2nd string QB... he showed some signs of definite ability and a couple of glimmers of talent.
December 7th, 2009 at 12:24 PM ^
you mean Arizona State, you would be correct. Threet signed a LOI to GA Tech, coaching change to Johnson. Transferred to Michigan. Played 1 year under RR and then transferred to Arizona State.
December 7th, 2009 at 11:13 AM ^
Didn't RichRod have Mallett when he got here.....oh, that’s right his system can’t be altered to incorporate a 5 star QB who will be going early in the first round and playing on Sundays....you can check all of my previous posts I have never really criticized him before, but that is my biggest knock on him to date.....should never have let that kid walk out the door.
December 7th, 2009 at 12:30 PM ^
that RR didn't do everything in his power to keep Mallett here? Nah, your probably right, he probably said "Hey Mallett, you fat fuck, there's the door, BEAT IT!"
Mallett wasn't happy when Lloyd was the coach. Lloyd even gave him his transfer papers in 07 to let Mallett know that he had to grow up. Mallett wasn't happy in AA. When RR was hired, he didn't want to give the offense a chance. I can't blame him for not wanting to play in this offense. He's doing just fine in the pass happy spread down at Arkansas now that Mustain isn't there.
But to think RR would rather go with a Sheridammit/Threet over Mallett is stupid.
December 7th, 2009 at 12:52 PM ^
"Hey Mallett, you fat fuck, there's the door, BEAT IT!"
-you had me laughing pretty good with that, but your probably right think I am just a nice mixture of bitter/angry/uninformed.
December 6th, 2009 at 6:24 PM ^
primary recruiting grounds are GA and the rest of the South. Which means they probably have a hell of a lot more athletes than the average team. We recruit Michigan and the rest of the Midwest, for the most part...Big difference.
December 6th, 2009 at 6:45 PM ^
this might be the dumbest comment ive ever seen on a message board.
December 6th, 2009 at 6:49 PM ^
So athletes are genetically better down South? A player from Ohio is inherently slower than one from Florida?
December 6th, 2009 at 6:52 PM ^
I am pretty sure the SEC put a study out about this a few years back that statistically proves the claim.
December 6th, 2009 at 6:54 PM ^
But there are far more athletes in the South than up North. This isn't even debatable.
December 6th, 2009 at 7:08 PM ^
Yes it is...
December 6th, 2009 at 7:11 PM ^
Not only did I not mention Genetics, but I am having trouble finding where I said a random player from Ohio is slower than a random player from the South.
December 6th, 2009 at 7:19 PM ^
Congratulations, you have succeeded in posting the most ironic attempt at an insulting post in MGoBlog history.
You accuse me of needing reading comprehension, but, well... maybe you should scroll up and look at who actually brought up those two things you mentioned, because it certainly wasn't me.
I simply stated that you could debate the number of athletes in the South compared to the North.
December 6th, 2009 at 7:31 PM ^
I am getting my replies mixed up....Carry on.
EDIT: Looking back, I thought you're "yes it is" comment was a reply to my "Is that what I said?" comment.
December 6th, 2009 at 8:11 PM ^
in a way, yes. it's not so much that players are faster in fla than in ohio (although there's a strong argument related to the slave trade that says this is indeed the case) it's that there are more fast players in the south, especially on the DL.
December 6th, 2009 at 9:34 PM ^
where is Jimmy the Greek when you can really use his insights...?
well said.
December 6th, 2009 at 6:52 PM ^
Yeah but the rest of the teams in their league (which are predominantly in the south) have that same advantage. I don't consider that an advantage since the rest of the teams have the same thing going for them.
December 6th, 2009 at 6:56 PM ^
The OP is asking why it was so easy for GA Tech to make the offensive transition compared to us.
December 6th, 2009 at 8:37 PM ^
Ummmmmm. Georgia Tech has to battle Georgia, Alabama, Auburn, Florida, and Tennessee to retain talent.
Ademas, just look at the amount of athletes we put into the NFL in the last, say, 5 years, versus Georgia Tech. You may want to reconsider your comment.
And if that doesn't convince you, we stole Coner from Georgia.
December 7th, 2009 at 3:50 PM ^
I don't understand why you're getting negbanged for saying this. GT is located in more fertile recruiting territory than us; that's indisputable.
December 7th, 2009 at 6:51 PM ^
im not gonna neg you but i think you're a little off base. Granted GA is fertile recruiting territory but we are recruiting against schools with a lot more recent success, less restrictive academic requirements, and basically just a lot more clout. Gailey did leave the cupboard basically full, so i cant knock the guy for that. But this class of Nesbitt, Dwyer, BeBe, and Morgan&Morgan is the best class GT has had in YEARS. Ever since I started school, GT has never had a recruiting class in UM's tier.
The best example i can give is the way Michigan came down and snatched Carlos Brown right out of not only Tech's, but UGAy's hands as well. Alabama came up grabbed a sparty legacy! GT couldnt roll up to Michigan and recruit like that.
December 6th, 2009 at 6:28 PM ^
Apples and oranges.
December 6th, 2009 at 6:43 PM ^
The only reason to be jealous of Ga Tech is that it is on average warmer there, specifically the winter months than it is here. Other than that, not so much.
December 6th, 2009 at 6:53 PM ^
Plus the girls. Not that the girls are hotter (midwestern girls are smokin) but their girls can wear short shorts year round.
December 6th, 2009 at 7:12 PM ^
even tho ga tech is dry county for girls, emory is not too far away ;)
December 6th, 2009 at 8:38 PM ^
Actually winters can get quite chilly, and most wear dresses, skirts than shorts :)
December 6th, 2009 at 6:44 PM ^
go root for ga tech then bandwagon!
December 6th, 2009 at 7:11 PM ^
but to everyone else, yeah I know that RR replaced LC in the worst possible scenario so its understandable but it sucks that the last 2 years at M were the worst two consec. years in recent history...dosen't matter tho because were gonna be a beast of a team within the next 2 years and I cant waittt
December 6th, 2009 at 7:20 PM ^
shit, if we just had nesbitt i think we have at least a couple more wins both two years ago and this past season. this isn't to say that johnson isn't a very good coach bc he obviously is, but neither he nor rich rod are the ones out there throwing, running and catching the ball.
December 7th, 2009 at 5:21 PM ^
lol Nesbitt is pretty terrible at throwing the ball. The thing that he has going for him is that he makes the correct reads in that complicated triple option. If only Tate had Demaryius Thomas to throw 70 yard bombs to every game . . .
December 7th, 2009 at 6:43 PM ^
Forcier cant throw deep the way Nesbitt can and it isnt even close. By the time Forcier is a JR who knows, but Nesbitt is a strong ass cat.
But I can tell you've seen GT play, so annoying when people comment on how simple or "one-dimensional" it is.
Even still, Nesbitt has a passer rating north of 150.
December 7th, 2009 at 7:28 PM ^
When you run that much play action pretty much is wide open. Not saying Paul Johnson's scheme is one dimensional, but Nesbitt is afforded those long throws because they run so much. Demaryius Thomas is a beast who is averaging something insane - like 25 yards a catch. Let's be honest though - Nesbitt isn't a very good passer, and if he didn't have Thomas to bail him out on those long throws, who knows what would happen?
December 7th, 2009 at 6:54 PM ^
talented defense? in VT, Miami (that Miami), UGA, f$u, and Clemson II combined, GT forced a total of ONE punt!
December 6th, 2009 at 8:38 PM ^
Consider ND, and assume that Clausen and Tate declare for the draft. Dayne Crist decides to transfer. Somehow they lose Armando Allen, and have inexperienced o-linemen returning. Assume they have little depth in the defensive secondary. Then have Paul Johson implement the spread at ND, and coach those stiffs next year. He is very good at coaching the spread, and they are ND, so you know they have always gotten top talent in recruiting. You would expect Johnson to have a great year, right? I thought so!
December 6th, 2009 at 8:45 PM ^
So essentially the same situation that RR got here? Just without the media hatred.
December 6th, 2009 at 8:50 PM ^
That was exactly my point, and you see, I even forgot to factor in the commotion created by the media.
December 6th, 2009 at 9:51 PM ^
Is that our fan base is given to so much rationalizing and excuse making on behalf of Rodriguez. Poor lil guy. Only makes $3 million per year.
December 6th, 2009 at 10:21 PM ^
So, um, are you Tomhagan or the King of Belch?
December 6th, 2009 at 11:13 PM ^
yall realize coner was an Option QB coming out of high school? I would be KICKING myself if I were him that I didn't go to GT (even though Paul Johnson wasn't there yet).
December 6th, 2009 at 11:22 PM ^
At what point did you see David Cone show enough athletic ability to kick himself?
I respect option football but I will never be jealous or envious of that crap Dr. Tom or Barry Switzer ran. No thanks.
December 7th, 2009 at 1:50 AM ^
You give Rich Rodriguez that quarterback and a defense with 4 NFL-bound defensive linemen, solid linebackers, and an All-American safety, and I promise you last year we would've gone 8-4 or 7-5 at least.
Situations are so different.. but that offense is still relatively new to the ACC. We're not necessarily changing the way the Big Ten plays football.
December 7th, 2009 at 4:10 PM ^
Ryan Mallet
Terrence Taylor
Will Johnson
Tim Jamison
Brandon Graham
Donovan Warren
Do I think Rodriguez tried at all to keep Mallet? Nope. Was Mallet gone anyway? Well, that's a popular rationalization, and who knows? Nobody knows. Point is, Michigan has had the talent to go 7-5 or 8-4 in the last two years.
December 7th, 2009 at 4:23 PM ^
You should go back and look at what RR actually said regarding Mallett in the weeks after he was hired. Unless he was lying to the press (and I don't know why he would), I think he very much wanted Mallett to stay. Mallett seems to have made his mind up off the bat.
December 7th, 2009 at 10:55 AM ^
I can't even believe we're having this discussion.
BrayBray1 said that recruiting grounds in the south are richer than in the north. That is absolutely, 100% true. He didn't say anything about race or genetics. Mississippi, Georgia, Louisiana, Florida, and Texas are some of the greatest states at producing top-notch talent. Michigan does not traditionally produce a ton of talent, and the talent that it does produce typically comes from one area - Detroit/metro Detroit.
December 7th, 2009 at 6:54 PM ^
i'm not even remotely jealous. that triple option crap might work in a weak conference like the acc, but it would get torn up here. richrods a better coach. we're a better program. we have a much higher ceiling.
you can either have patience, or you can jump off the bandwagon. you won't be missed.
December 7th, 2009 at 7:22 PM ^
We'll see when Iowa plays Georgia Tech . . . The triple option is remarkably complicated and isn't a gimmick offense. Iowa will have their hands full.
EDIT: Paul Johnson and Rich Rodriguez are pretty similar in a way, both are innovators (Spread, Triple Option which Paul Johnson categorizes as a spread) and both are proven coaches at all levels (Glenville and WVU for RichRod, Georgia Southern and Navy for Johnson). Both are taking their schemes up to stronger conferences. The ONLY difference is that Johnson was left with talent that fit his scheme. Dwyer is the prototypical B back and Nesbitt is a great option QB. Think he would be as successful if Jaybo Shaw was running his offense?
December 7th, 2009 at 7:30 PM ^
thats just you talking from your butt right now. Honestly, Paul Johnson has a better career winning record that Rich Rod over a similar career path. That doesnt necessarily mean he's the better coach, but you're making definitive statements about things you dont understand
December 7th, 2009 at 7:38 PM ^
What "definitive statements" have I made? I have the utmost respect for Paul Johnson - I think the flexbone is one of the most interesting schemes in CFB and I was excited when it worked in a bigger conference. The only thing that I am saying is that when Gailey left, he left Paul Johnson with talent to run his offense - a good option QB in Nesbitt, a first round RB pick in Dwyer, and a couple good A backs.
RichRod was left with what - a pocket passer who did not even want to attempt to run the spread.
Both are good coaches with innovative schemes. Who knows what could have happened if Rodriguez had the right talent?