11/23: "WAAAY TOO EARLY" '14-'15 Depth Chart
...last time I made this, people jumped down my throat cause I was overreacting after a shitty win (UConn). I wasn't, I truly wanted to "look ahead" since I believe we were going into a Bye Week.
Now? Now I'll admit it. I'm looking to next season.
QB
1. Devin Gardner (RS Sr.)
2. Shane Morris (So.)
3. Brian Cleary (RS So.) / Russell Bellomy (RS Jr.)
rs: Wilton Speight (Fr.)
RB
1. Derrick Green (So.)
2. De'Veon Smith (So.) / Drake Johnson (RS So.)
4. Thomas Rawls (Sr.)
FB
1. Joey Kerridge (RS Jr.)
2. Sione Houma (Jr.)
3. Wyatt Shallman (RS Fr.)
WR1
1. Amara Darboh (RS So.)
2. Drake Harris (Fr.)
3. Jaron Dukes (RS Fr.) / Csont'e York (RS Fr.)
rs: Maurice Ways (Fr.)
WR2
1. Jehu Chesson (RS So.)
2. Da'Mario Jones (So.)
3. Dennis Norfleet (Jr.) / Justice Hayes (RS Jr.)
rs: Freddy Canteen (Fr.)
TE
1. Devin Funchess (Jr.)
2. Jake Butt (So.)
3. A.J. Williams (Jr.)
4. Jordan Paskorz (RS Sr.)
5. Khalid Hill (RS Fr.)
rs: Ian Bunting (Fr.)
LT
1. Ben Braden (RS So.)
2. Logan Tuley-Tillman (RS Fr.)
LG
1. Kyle Bosch (So.)
2. Joey Burzynski (RS Sr.) / Chris Bryant (RS Jr.)
rs: Mason Cole (Fr.)
C
1. Graham Glasgow (RS Jr.)
2. Jack Miller (RS Jr.) / Patrick Kugler (RS Fr.)
4. Joey Burzynski (RS Sr.)
RG
1. Kyle Kalis (RS So.)
2. Joey Burzynski (RS Sr.)
3. Blake Bars (RS So.) / David Dawson (RS Fr.)
RT
1. Erik Magnuson (RS So.)
2. Chris Fox (RS Fr.) / Dan Samuelson (RS Fr.)
rs: Juwan Bushell-Beatty (Fr.)
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WDE
1. Frank Clark (Sr.)
2. Mario Ojemudia (Jr.) / Brennen Beyer (Sr.)
4. Taco Charlton (So.)
rs: Lawrence Marshall (Fr.)
NG
1. Ondre Pipkins (Jr.)
2. Richard Ash (RS Sr.)
3. Maurice Hurst Jr. (RS Fr.) / Bryan Mone (Fr.)
rs: Brady Pallante (Fr.)
DT
1. Willie Henry (RS So.)
2. Matt Godin (RS So.)
3. Tom Strobel (RS So.) / Henry Poggi (RS Fr.)
SDE
1. Brennen Beyer (Sr.)
2. Keith Heitzman (RS Jr.) / Chris Wormley (RS So.)
4. Matt Godin (RS So.)
5. Tom Strobel (RS So.)
WLB
1. James Ross (Jr.)
2. Ben Gedeon (So.)
3. Royce Jenkins-Stone (Jr.)
4. Antonio Poole (RS Jr.)
rs: Jared Wangler (Fr.)
MLB
1. Desmond Morgan (Sr.)
2. Joe Bolden (Jr.)
3. Michael Ferns (Fr.) / Michael McCray (RS Fr.)
SLB
1. Jake Ryan (RS Sr.)
2. Brennen Beyer (Sr.)
3. Allen Gant (RS So.)
rs: Chase Winovich (Fr.)
rs: Noah Furbush (Fr.)
WCB
1. Blake Countess (RS Jr.)
2. Jourdan Lewis (So.)
3. Delonte Hollowell (Sr.)
4. Terry Richardson (Jr.)
SCB
1. Raymon Taylor (Sr.)
2. Channing Stribling (So.)
3. Reon Dawson (RS Fr.) / Ross Douglas (RS Fr.)
rs: Brandon Watson (Fr.)
NB
1. Jabrill Peppers (Fr.)
2. Blake Countess (RS Jr.)
3. Delonte Hollowell (Sr.)
FS
1. Jarrod Wilson (Jr.)
2. Jeremy Clark (RS So.)
SS
1. Dymonte Thomas (So.) / Delano Hill (So.)
3. Josh Furman (RS Sr.)
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K
1. Matt Wile (Sr.)
P
1. Will Hagerup (RS Sr.)
2. Kenny Allen (RS So.)
KO
1. Matt Wile (Sr.)
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November 23rd, 2013 at 4:23 PM ^
2014 needs 10 wins
2015 is Hoke's make/break year...when you look at the schedule and look at the roster. It's B1G Champions or bust.
November 23rd, 2013 at 4:45 PM ^
I'd say 2014 is Hoke make or break year. We all heard that 4 years is benchmark (insert RR sympathy here) and coming off potential 7-5 season and under .500 in conference record anything less than 9 wins and Hoke might be gone.
November 23rd, 2013 at 4:53 PM ^
If we win 10 games next year and beat Ohio. I don't think Hoke loses his job. Even if we don't win the B1G or go to the BCS.
That is a REALLY tough schedule.
However, in 2015 he'll have his players as seniors, DEPTH, his 2 great recruiting classes, his system AND a schedule that is favorable.
November 23rd, 2013 at 5:19 PM ^
If its the same coaching staff, 10 wins is going to be tough. I count 8 that they could/should win. OSU, MSU, ND, and maybe Penn State will be tough outs. And there's no way this team makes the requistite 2-3 level jump that its going to take to beat Ohio State on the road.
November 24th, 2013 at 7:26 AM ^
November 23rd, 2013 at 5:33 PM ^
If you think Rich Rod was done wrong, do you really want the same for Hoke?
Is the priority to prove the other "M faction" wrong, or to see Michigan football do well? You are entitled to believe that Hoke isn't the guy and make your case. However, why is a comparison to Rich Rod even relevant other than for some sort of fanbase partisianship?
It isn't my intention to start some throw-back flame war. It just that I've seen several references to Rich Rod today. I don't get it.
November 23rd, 2013 at 6:37 PM ^
I've seen this tripe brought up a lot and I don't get it either.
I was constantly called one of the biggest "Rich Rod apologists" on the board for his entire tenure.
Then he was fired (which I was not happy about), and I immediately bought into Hoke precisely because I didn't want to see what happened to RR happen to the next coach (Now I'm one of the biggest "Hoke apologists" on the board).
Now people are acting like because we were huge douche bags to RR, somehow Hoke deserves the same treatment because, "Well, that's what happened to Rich Rod," all the while acknowledging what a terrible thing that was.
It's truly fascinating.
November 23rd, 2013 at 5:39 PM ^
Yeah, at least Rich Rodriguez isn't pounding Oregon right now.
28-9, Arizona.
November 23rd, 2013 at 6:34 PM ^
This is truly a great day for Mgoblog. Hoke's M team loses on the road due to Borges' offensive ineptness and RR's zona team wins big. What a glorious day for mgoblog. AMIRITE? So many happy posters.
November 23rd, 2013 at 9:28 PM ^
I think 8-4 would be enough for 2014 as long as the offense gets straightened out. Going forward I don't know whether 8-4 indefinitely would be enough, though.
January 8th, 2014 at 1:21 PM ^
Looking at the schedule 8-4 is expected given the schedule. Those are expected wins against: App State, Miami (OHIO), Rutgers, Maryland, Utah, Indiana. That's 6 already
That is the bar that must be gone over and above.
Good news is OL is getting older and should continue to improve a lot.
November 23rd, 2013 at 4:23 PM ^
Is this really the best moment to do this? Really.
November 23rd, 2013 at 4:26 PM ^
I don't feel bad for looking ahead to future years. I still want this team to win, I'll still root hard. But they're not playing for anything at this point. If "THIS IS MICHIGAN" than I can go ahead and start looking ahead to see when teams may meet our standards as a program.
Go Blue. Beat Ohio.
November 23rd, 2013 at 4:30 PM ^
This is a completely unnecessary thread five minutes after the Iowa game ends. At this point, looking ahead, 14-15 isn't looking ahead. Ohio State is looking ahead.
End of story.
November 23rd, 2013 at 4:39 PM ^
I'm not playing vs. OSU and neither are you. So STFU.
I'll be at the Ohio game rooting my ass off for Michigan. Thinking about next year isn't going to affect anything.
Go cry somewhere else.
November 23rd, 2013 at 4:42 PM ^
I'm not angry or crying, I'm just pointing out this thread is downright stupidly timed.
November 23rd, 2013 at 4:52 PM ^
Then go ahead and exercise your right to not read it. Maybe go check out the cute dog thread. Meanwhile, you can stop shitting up a perfectly good thread with actual content that people are discussing.
November 23rd, 2013 at 6:45 PM ^
Then why are you so actively participating in it? To somehow show you are "right"?
November 23rd, 2013 at 5:00 PM ^
I support Mr. Yost. This is season is essentially over (I wish it were because OSU will do bad things) so we might as well do SOMETHING fun and speculate a little bit.
I feel that Hoke's make or break year is next year which is really bad for him considering our away schedule. MSU is probably at their peak right now and will likely embarass us again on the road :(
November 23rd, 2013 at 5:09 PM ^
I don't have a problem with the post. I think I am with Yost regarding how I feel about the season and looking to the future helps ease the pain from the loss. But, I don't think that defensive attitude the "STFU" is really neccessary. They have the right to voice they disagreement with you and it's in bad taste to be so defensive about it. Unless you're a mod you shouldn't be telling people what to do. Disagree with them fine, but don't them what to do. Let them have them have their opinion and move on.
November 23rd, 2013 at 7:10 PM ^
I too agree with Yost and it eases the pain as fans to look ahead. It is all we have at this point. But others can have their opinion. I would like to share mine and hear feedback. We all hoped Hoke was the answer. He will be back next year and I see 8 wins on that schedule if all goes well. That will be ten years without a Big Ten Championship. We are not competitive at this point with MSU or Ohio and far from it. See our record against them the last 6 years and more in Ohio's case. You can look at the future depth chart but Gardner is not a good quarterback. A good young man and a good athlete but not a good quarterback. To many bad decisions and slow to make a decision. Too many turnovers. How will our offensive line be when the only two solid lineman graduate. Young is fine but good is a different matter. Our defense will be strong but there is nothing to say this offense will be any better. I ask this. Any fear that players will start transfering and recruits start falling off? When that starts we are in a real tailspin. Hoping for the best. February will be a key time as well as next season. My last two comments. If anyone read 3 and out by John Bacon Les Miles should be here if things were done right. A Big Ten with Urban Meyer and Les Miles? But that is in the past. Many top programs have been through this. Alabama had many coaches and failed before Saban came in. USC struggled after Robinson left. Florida is down and there are many others including Notre Dame. Once you start searching for the right coach it is a crap shoot until you finally find the right one and return to where you need to be. Sometimes schools get it right, right away. It will feel good someday when we get back to where we need to be again. Depth and youth are good for the future but only if they are caoched well. It is doubtful this coaching staff can coach well. That is the fear. Hope Mattison Stays and does not get fed up with this mess. Go Blue!
November 24th, 2013 at 1:04 PM ^
Is Hoke the answer?...idk. Mattison's track record and Hoke's recruiting success have earned them both 2 more years imo. Borges needs to go asap though. Next year's team should just like this year's, but a little better. I still have faith Gardner COULD be good with the right coaching and scheme. He has shown it before. He needs better line play though. And, he needs better coaching. We will be more competitive with MSU and OSU next year. MSU finally graduates that great class of defensive players. OSU graduates 3/4 DBs and 4/5 offensive lineman. Their offfensive line will be just like ours next year, with a lot of 2nd and 3rd (mostly true sophomores and juniors) year players. However, ours will have more starts and snaps under their belt. Their o-line should struggle next year, although will still probably be better than ours due to coaching.
Will recruits start to jump ship? I think the way the season played out hurt our chances with top guys like Hand. It may also cost us McDowell. I think we hold onto Peppers. But, if we have another year like this one it will get worse. Next year is big for us and we need improvement which is why we have to fire Borges and get some offensive change NOW. I would have loved a big name like Miles, but no sense crying over spilled milk. Hoke is our coach and will be next year. Ultimately if we want to have OSU's success I believe our next coach has to be a national recognized top coach like Meyer was. If we got Harbaugh we would have had that, same with Miles, but it didn't happen. It has to happen for our next coach down the road. That's all I got.
November 23rd, 2013 at 4:36 PM ^
Uh... obviously that's not the end of the story, dude. This seems like a perfect time for this exercise to me. That doesn't mean we all have to agree.
November 23rd, 2013 at 5:27 PM ^
Mayeb you don't like it, but I much prefer thinking of next year than this one. So, maybe don't presume to speak for everyone?
November 24th, 2013 at 7:34 AM ^
November 23rd, 2013 at 4:26 PM ^
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November 23rd, 2013 at 4:33 PM ^
After looking at the schedule, it's possible for another 7-5 season if no real progress is made on offense. Man that is a brutal road game schedule.
November 23rd, 2013 at 4:28 PM ^
Try alcohol. It's better at numbing the pain.
November 23rd, 2013 at 4:29 PM ^
I'm laughing so hard right now. It isn't even Thanksgiving yet and we are doing this. It is like being a Lions fan and looking forward to the draft. This is what the program has come to. That roster looks solid, but inevitably, we'll underperorm.
November 23rd, 2013 at 4:35 PM ^
The beutiful thing about this is we still only lose 6 players that are starters
November 23rd, 2013 at 4:36 PM ^
I would be hesitant to add players who haven't signed their LOIs yet.
November 23rd, 2013 at 4:39 PM ^
It's so frustrating to look at our depth chart and think what our record will likely be. With the development of Henry and Clark and lots of returning players our D should be pretty stout. We have plenty of playmakers and a o-line of 4 and 5 star recruits.
Yet with all of that does anyon really expect anything more than an 8 win season? It's certainly possible if the coaches take a hard and honest look at themselves and develop a coherent offensive philosophy that the players are fit for we could very well contend for a Big Ten Championship.
Unfortunately, none of the evidence we have so far suggests that this will be the case.
November 23rd, 2013 at 4:41 PM ^
August 30th, 2014: I will cut off all forms of communication with the outside world, hole up in a bunker, and slowly peek my head out late Saturday night to see if the Horror II has descended upon us. If Al is still in charge of our offense, I might just never come out of that bunker...
November 23rd, 2013 at 4:43 PM ^
bad loss to Ohio next weekend. Not fired, but definitely in hot water.
And it will
November 24th, 2013 at 7:38 AM ^
November 23rd, 2013 at 4:43 PM ^
If it's looking like we'll be bad again with Borges coming back, does it make sense to RS Morris next year? If Russ is back in form, which he probably won't be, but still, do we try to save a year of Morris?
November 23rd, 2013 at 4:58 PM ^
November 23rd, 2013 at 7:00 PM ^
I'd like to see Morris get some real game reps next year. Just so '15 isnt so raw.
When I look at the chart, I see players starting all around starting to be redshirted. I think that's a nice step forward from now when a ton (literally 2000# of them, LOL) of true freshmen have seen the field. Really it should be the norm, and hasn't been. Its the way it should be in my mind, so they can get up to speed with campus, school, the playbook,etc.
There was one play I saw today where (IIRC) the left guard pulled to go push someone else out on the other side of the line. However the run play went right at the unblocked player that the guard had purposefully left alone. While I believe the OL did the right thing, I'm not totally sure as the QB and RB seemed in sync. Those would seem to be youth issues = lack of understanding of the playbook.
November 24th, 2013 at 7:42 AM ^
November 23rd, 2013 at 7:14 PM ^
If we could redshirt him and save a year would be good but should have this year. he needs playing time because Gardner is not the answer
November 24th, 2013 at 7:46 AM ^
November 23rd, 2013 at 4:44 PM ^
November 23rd, 2013 at 4:50 PM ^
I believe Poole left the team due to medical issues over the summer. As I recall, he had a sadly troublesome history of injuries and was probably not going to be in the two-deep this year.
November 23rd, 2013 at 4:58 PM ^
People cry like babies when you remove someone when they're not officially gone.
Poole was said to be coming back next year and I haven't seen anything official that says otherwise, so I kept him on here.
I could also predict some transfers or guys not getting a 5th year. But I personally think it's in bad taste.
November 23rd, 2013 at 4:45 PM ^
November 23rd, 2013 at 4:54 PM ^
I think there are some peices in place to have a good year. The offensive line clearly has to help our running game and help keep Gardner clean to complete passes. I think everything else is good enough and I'm hopeful our d-line will continue to improve our pass rush, our linebackers will improve their coverage skills, a healthy Countess and JMFR will be really good, and Peppers will make an immediate impact. I think with OSU's o-line graduating everybody and being a young team we have a chance to beat them in Columbus. With MSU's defense graduating that class we have a chance to beat them in E. Lansing. I'm not too worried about Nebraska (assuming our o-line shows some progression). We should be able to beat a Colter-less NW team on the road and PSU at home. But, all this assumes actual progress that is expected. If Borges doesn't get his head out of his ass, based on what I've seen this year, there is no gurantee any of this expected progress will occur. And, if it doesn't, then I'm confident in absolutely nothing but another maddening year full of close games and frustrating losses. So, who knows. Ask me again if we actually retain Borges or decide to can his ass.
November 23rd, 2013 at 6:39 PM ^
They return everyone on defense except underclassmen who decide to turn pro.