A Comparison of Michigan and Ohio State's Big 10 Football Schedules Since 1990

Submitted by Collateral Whiz on August 25th, 2020 at 4:37 AM

Back many decades of a couple of weeks ago, before the season was officially canceled, the Big 10 released a conference football schedule for the fall of 2020.  While the MGoBlog staff weren't too bothered by Michigan's difficult schedule, I was probably more upset than I should be.   In my head it seemed like once again Ohio State was avoiding all the most difficult division crossover matchups (Wisconsin, Minnesota) and Michigan was getting stuck with short end of the SOS stick once more.  It felt like OSU just does this year after year and regularly avoids the best non Michigan/PSU Big 10 team on their schedule.  Them missing a top 5 2017 Wisconsin team (in the regular season) and an ass kicking 2002 Iowa team stuck out as prime examples of this.  

I then realized if I can only think of a couple of examples, I'm probably just seeing things through my maize and blue tinted glasses, and surely any competitive advantages one team has had would have evened themselves out throughout the years.  Nevertheless, the idea that OSU has had an easier schedule over the years gnawed at me and I decided to do an in depth comparison of the two teams' schedules to see for sure.  

Now comparing two teams' schedule strength is a difficult thing to do, as you penalize good teams because their strength of schedule will go down from beating so many of the teams on the schedule.  I tried to eliminate this problem by not counting the results of games OSU and UM played in on their respective opponents' win loss records.  Also, I didn't include their record when playing against each other as this would have really penalized OSU who have had a dominant record against us (sigh) and have been the better team in the time period I'm looking at.  What time period am I looking at?  Well you can probably figure that out from the diary title, but I'll tell you anyways. I decided to track from 1990 as that is about the time I can start remembering cheering for Michigan (born in 1980) and that would give us a nice even 30 years of data.  I think 30 years is a long enough time period that strength of schedule differences should mostly level themselves out, and I believe the adjustments I mentioned above will make it so that we can get a fair strength of schedule comparison between these two teams that doesn't penalize the better team.  

A couple other notes.  I'm using College Football Reference's Simple Rating System (SRS) to compare opponents as it is the only metric I can find from before 2004 to rate all college football teams and not just the top 25.  It's not the best evaluatory metric ever made as it only uses point differential and strength of schedule to rate teams (it's quite simple as it claims), but it's better than nothing and gives us another data point than just wins and losses.  Also, since it uses SOS in its formula, that should help to negate any opponent's SRS going down too much for losing to a strong OSU or Michigan team. Finally, I only counted regular season Big Ten games and not the championship game, as I'm only interested in the SOS that the schedule makers established prior to the season.  

So, without further ado, here are my data and findings. 

Table 1 - Big Ten Opponents' SRS Scores and Conference Records

 

(To reiterate, I did not count opponents' record against UM and OSU in their respective Big 10 records.  For example, in 1990 Illinois went 6-2 in conference.  They beat OSU and lost to UM, so their record goes as 5-2 for OSU and 6-1 for Michigan.  This should negate most of the advantage a worse team gets in opponent record comparisons.  Also, OSU's SRS score was not counted in Michigan's opponents' average, and the same goes for UM's SRS score in OSU's opponents' average.)

As you can see, Michigan has had a more difficult schedule in every category.  Their opponents have a higher average SRS score, a better average SRS ranking, a better win percentage, and Michigan has had the harder schedule in 19 of 30 years according to SRS and 18 of 30 years according to opponent win percentage.  OSU had the harder schedule less than one third of the time.  I was expecting this to show Michigan has had a more difficult go in the Big Ten, but the results being so one sided was a bit staggering.  If you're confused by SRS, I'll get into that more a bit later, but for now just know that it considered Michigan's opponents to be better than OSU's. 

Tables 2 and 3 - UM and OSU Big Ten Records Side by Side

I wanted to see if my logic wasn't working, and that maybe winning teams were getting penalized in terms of their opponents' record.  As you can see from the top table, Michigan was the more successful team from 1990-2004, while OSU was the much, much more successful team from 2005-2019.  I kept in their head to head records to show that while Michigan only won 2.4% more of their games from that initial time period, that went up to 6.2% if you counted their record in The Game as well.   Similarly, OSU won 22% more of their games from the more recent time period, but that goes all the way up to 29% if you count head to head matchups.  Michigan was clearly better than OSU during the first half of this time frame, but OSU was light years better than Michigan during the second half (just an FYI, in only three years Rich Rod was responsible for 15 games of the 36 OSU was ahead of Michigan from '05-'19). 

Despite these massive differences in their fortunes during these two 15 year periods, you can see from the bottom table that their opponents' win percentages stayed remarkably stagnant.  From '90-'04 OSU's non-UM opponents won 45.6% of the time, and that actually went slightly up to 46.3% during their more successful '05-'19 seasons.  UM's opponents win percentage went from 50% to 48.4% in the same respective periods.  With this system I'm using, there doesn't seem to be any correlation between either teams' winning and their opponents losing.  In fact, it should be that if UM wins more than OSU that will hurt OSU's opponent's record, and vice versa, as their shared conference opponents record will get worse from UM beating them more.  (Sorry to keep harping on this, but I can foresee some OSU fan seeing this data and saying "Of course UM had the harder schedule, OSU was the better team so their opponents had a worse record."  I want to make it clear that that the way I've recorded the data negates that argument.)  

You can also see that SRS agreed with the opponents' record data, and that it saw Michigan's schedule as the more difficult in both 15 year periods.  Michigan's opponents were about .75 points better in SRS, or about 2.5 rankings higher, on average from '90-'04, and .82 points better, or about 6.5 rankings higher, on average from '05-'19.  This might actually be a case of OSU's success hurting their opponents' SRS.  As point differential is half the SRS formula, the fact that they've been crushing a lot of teams over the past 15 years might be bringing down their opponents' SRS score.  I don't know if it's enough to overcome the difference in the boost that it would give to their opponents' SOS from playing an ass beating OSU, but it might be and I thought it was worth noting.   

So, it's pretty clear Michigan has played the more difficult Big Ten teams of the past 30 years, let's see who has avoided playing more good teams over that time.  

 Tables 4 and 5 - Missed Big Ten Opponents by SRS

I broke Big Ten teams into five tiers based on their SRS scores and where that generally correlates with the national rankings.  A team with an SRS score of 15 is generally between the 5th and 10th best team in the country, so I made that scores 15 or above into tier one.  The best teams are usually somewhere in the low 20s, but I've seen teams as high as 27.  A 10 is usually around the mid-20s in the rankings, so 10-14.99 is tier two, etc., etc.  You can see the tiers for yourself in the table.  From just a winning perspective (not what the fans want to see) you want to avoid teams in the top two tiers, are indifferent about missing teams from the 3rd and 4th tier, and definitely don't want to miss teams from those bottom two tiers as those are almost guaranteed wins.  I made that bottom tier brown, because those teams are absolute dog shit.  

Omitting their head to head games, over the past 30 years Michigan and OSU have played 214 Big Ten regular season games each.  Of those 214, 165 have come against common opponents.  The other 49 have been against a team only one of them has played.  These tables show the quality of the opponents that either one or both teams missed.  

The common opponents both OSU and UM have missed are included in the top table, but in the second table those 25 common opponents are omitted and you're left with just the 49 opponents only one of OSU or Michigan played.  The data are pretty remarkable.  You can see that not only has OSU missed a lot more top opponents than Michigan, played a lot more of the dog shit opponents that UM missed, but also that their quality of opponent missed was higher in nearly every tier.  This is not ideal from a competitive balance standpoint.  

Hard to believe, huh?  Well, maybe you just think SRS is a full of shit metric.  Okay, let's take a look at the records of missed opponents then.  

Table 6 - Missed Big Ten Opponents by Win %

I'll admit, this data absolutely floored me.  Let me explain the table.  For each of the three time periods you have the same four columns.  The top column, "Missed Opp's Total" is the Big 10 record of all the teams OSU or UM missed during that time period.  Below that, in the "Minus Common" column is the top column numbers minus the record of team's that both UM and OSU did not play.  In '90-'04 that was only two teams, in '05-'19 that was a lot more.  That "Minus Common" column therefore gives you the record of teams that only OSU missed on the OSU side, and teams only Michigan missed on the UM side. The next column down is UM's record versus the teams that OSU missed on the OSU side, and OSU's record against teams Michigan missed on the UM side.  The final column is OSU or UM's record subtracted from the "Minus Common" column, so that you get a record for opponents that does not include any games that UM or OSU participated in.  

I'm blown away by this table.  Remember, you want to miss better opponents and play worse ones to have a better chance at winning more.  In this sense OSU is absolutely crushing Michigan.  The opponents Michigan missed over 30 years have won at a 37.6% rate.  OSU's are at 55.4%.  That's a 17.8% difference.  In only 352 games, Michigan's opponents that OSU didn't play have been 62.5 games better than OSU's opponents that Michigan didn't play. OSU was eight games better than Michigan in their 49 games against non common opponents, and I'm not even disappointed in Michigan cause their schedule was so much tougher.  Even in the era that Michigan was clearly better, OSU picked up three games on Michigan against just 25 opponents. OSU misses quality team after quality team, while Michigan just avoids the trash.  That seems....unbalanced.  If Thanos were a Michigan fan he would have snapped away the Big Ten schedule makers by this point.  

Again, don't give me any of that "It's because OSU is so much better!" bullshit, as any influence from games OSU was involved in has been removed from Michigan's opponent's record and vice versa.  This is just 30 years of unbelievably one sided luck.  

Okay, I've had my little rant, let's try to quantify how much this schedule disparity has benefitted OSU and hurt Michigan.   

Tables 7 and 8 - Win % vs. Tier and Expected Wins with Reversed Schedule

 

To try to figure out this unanswerable question of how much the schedule imbalance affected Michigan and OSU, I again went to the SRS tiers and looked at how each team did against said tiers.  OSU won 55.9% of games against the top tier, 60.7% against the second tier and so on.  You can see Michigan's percentages on the right.  Using those percentages as a basis for the percentage of games OSU and UM would win against teams in those tiers if they had to do it again, I then switched each team's schedule over the past 30 years and multiplied each tier by their respective win percentage.  So, if Michigan had OSU's schedule, they would have played 15 tier one teams.  At a 36.8 win percentage that would give them 6.26 expected wins.  You can see the results of those calculations in the lower tables.  Doing that for each team's full schedule I got OSU going from 177 to 174.7 wins with UM's schedule, and UM going from 156 to 160.7 wins with OSU's schedule.  In total that was a seven win swing between the teams.  

When I did this, I felt seven wins felt like too little of a change with that kind of schedule disparity.  However, I do thing a seven win swing in 214 games is fairly significant.  As a passionate fan, I would definitely like to have those wins.  Also, I do think this calculation gives the low end of the expected wins spectrum.  This is because the win percentages I calculated were based on an unbalanced schedule to start with (which I think I've thoroughly shown already), and therefore skews the percentages in favor of OSU.  Second of all, the Rich Rod era really threw off Michigan's numbers as in his three seasons Michigan performed so far below their norm that they likely brought down Michigan's winning percentage appreciably.  OSU had a bad, abnormal year under Fickell as well, but it wasn't the drastic outlier the three Rodriguez* teams were.  They were the three worst SRS rated teams of the last 30 years, and they went 6-15 against the Big Ten during them.  Even though Rodriguez only coached 10% of the years looked at in this study, he was responsible for two of the three (67%) losses against the red tier above (the other was Carr in '96 losing a shocker to a terrible Purdue team), and five of the 12 (41.6%) losses to teams in the grey tier.  This just goes to say it's impossible to accurately predict hypothetical situations like this, but due to those factors I mentioned, had Michigan and OSU's schedules been reversed over the past 30 years, a 7 game swing in wins in Michigan's favor is probably the minimum that would have happened, and likely it would have been at least a couple more games.  

*My point isn't to shit on Rodriguez here.  That has been done plenty by Michigan fans already.  I actually loved the hire and really supported him for about 2.5 years, clinging to the belief that he would turn things around until it was clear he couldn't.  But looking at these data it's shocking just how poor of a job he did.  I know he didn't get enough support from fans and people behind the scenes, but to be at the helm of the three worst teams in a 30 year period in his only three years on the job is unbelievably bad.  

SP+ Gets Involved

Oh, in case you're wondering I looked at SP+ data from this period as well in the years that it was available.  I couldn't find 2019 or before 2004, but I do have the data from 2005-2018 seasons.  I'm tired of taking screenshots, so I'm just going to write the data down here instead of making it pretty.  

From 2005-2018 OSU's opponents had an average SP+ score of 6.26 and an average ranking of 50.08.  UM's opponents were 7.31 and 47.54 respectively.  The rankings are slightly closer than SRS rankings, but not by much.  OSU's missed opponents scored an average of 6.37 to SP+ for an average ranking of 49.79, while UM's missed opponents averaged 4.05 and 55.09.  SP+ rated both teams' missed opponents slightly higher than SRS, but the difference between their schedules was very similar according to both metrics.  It's so similar it's not really worth expanding on, but it is good to know that it doesn't dispute any of the data from above.

 

Discussion

To be clear, I don't believe that this SOS imbalance is due to a Big Ten conspiracy or anything.  I think the schedules are generally made a few years in advance, and so the schedule makers can't anticipate when a '95 Northwestern is going to come out of the blue and go 8-0 in conference. Furthermore, with there being too many teams in the conference for everyone to play everyone, making a fair schedule for all teams is pretty much impossible.   However, circling back to what I said in the intro about being upset about Michigan's 2020 schedule, this was the year the schedule makers had pretty much free reign to schedule any matchup they wanted.  Surely, they must review the previous year's strength of schedule ratings after each season, right?  They must know that the Big Ten schedule has been particularly favorable to OSU and quite difficult for Michigan, no?  Would this not have been a good year to switch things up and give Michigan a favorable schedule?  Am I the asshole here?  

I'm frustrated, and here comes the part where I whine like a baby.  OSU football has the upper hand on Michigan in so many ways.  They are based in a more populated and more football talent rich state.  Furthermore, they don't share that state with another Power 5 conference team.  They really only have one rival to focus on, while we have three.  They're much looser with NCAA rules, and they are not as academically demanding.  They already have so many damn advantages, can we not have an uphill battle when it comes to the schedule as well?  God fucking damn it!  Just one goddamn year!!  I'm not even asking for us to get the easier schedule, just at least make it fair for this One. Damn. Year.

Okay, sorry, I had to get that out of my system.  I know that the schedule doesn't matter as much as the fact that we just can't beat OSU head to head, and no matter how difficult or easy the rest of our schedule is, we won't break through that glass ceiling until we actually beat them.  Still though, it would be nice to have some parity in opponent difficulty.  

Is there anything the Big Ten could do to make the schedules more fair between top teams in the future?  

I don't really have a good idea, and I don't think the conference really cares that much about making this happen.  It is actually one of the charms about college football in how unbalanced things are (see Clemson/Oklahoma's roads to the playoff), and the discussion and arguments that imbalance sets off.  I think the Big Ten going to a nine game schedule was a good start to more parity, but that still leaves four teams off everyone's schedule and so avoiding uneven schedules is almost an impossibility. I think a Scottish Premier League split schedule would be fun, but don't see it as feasible in college football.  It seems like going to a 20 team conference, with two 10 team divisions where everyone plays everyone is the only truly egalitarian system, but to be honest I don't like that idea.  I much preferred the conference at 12 teams when we added Nebraska, and don't really want to water it down more with additional crappy teams.  I guess what I really want is Michigan to be so good that they win the conference despite having a more difficult schedule.  

I'm worn out from writing this so I'm just going to post this now.  I hope you enjoy reading this and that it's a pleasant distraction from all the craziness going on in the world right now.  

Comments

clarkiefromcanada

August 27th, 2020 at 10:28 PM ^

Nice work, OP. This is interesting reading.

It's not clear as to why t(tm)OSU has seemingly been gifted a measurable difference in strength of schedule over years but I am highly confident that one of them will soon be here to comment and indicate that somehow, like weed, tats, money, cars, online classes and fake jobs in Cleveland, none of this matters.

 

Collateral Whiz

August 28th, 2020 at 3:25 AM ^

Thanks Clarkie.  

Unless I've really screwed something up, with the way I've gathered the data I don't think there is any argument that OSU hasn't had a large advantage with the schedule for these 30 years.  I compare it to the advantage the Cleveland Indians have had over the last couple of years being in such a bad division.  They get over a third of their games against three of the worst teams in baseball the last few years (the Royals, White Sox and Tigers (sorry Tigers fans)), and that has given them a big boost to get into the playoffs over teams from the AL East and West.  Like the Indians, OSU always seems to play the worst teams in the conference while Michigan regularly misses them, so we generally have a harder path to the playoffs. 

The major exceptions were the first two years under Hoke.  We had the big advantage those years.  I guess Brady Hoke does really poop gold.    

MGoStrength

August 28th, 2020 at 12:33 PM ^

So, it's pretty clear Michigan has played the more difficult Big Ten teams of the past 30 years, let's see who has avoided playing more good teams over that time.  

In all fairness, OSU doesn't really lose to in conference top 15 teams very often, at least in the Meyer/Day era.  Maybe that was different under Cooper & Tress who played more conservative offensive systems.  But, OSU generally beats the tar out of ranked B1G teams minus PSU on the road.  But, they always beat west division ranked teams.  It's the non-ranked west division teams that seems to give them trouble...ie Purdue & Iowa.  If OSU is gonna lose, it's will be to a woefully outmatched team from the west.  The opposite tends to be true of UM.  They take care of the bottom half of the league.  When UM loses it tends to be to ranked teams on the road or OSU anywhere.

OSU football has the upper hand on Michigan in so many ways.  They are based in a more populated and more football talent rich state.  Furthermore, they don't share that state with another Power 5 conference team.  They really only have one rival to focus on, while we have three.  They're much looser with NCAA rules, and they are not as academically demanding.  

While true some of this is UM's own doing.  There have been several good in state classes for the state of MI, even when compared to OH, the last several cycles and UM has not done a good job of signing them.  Some top 5 guys the past few cycles that have signed elsewhere or are verbally committed elsewhere include Dellinger, Spindler, Payne, Rogers, Jennings, Carr, Brown, Dobbs, Barnett, Dixon, etc.  That's a lot of talented guys UM could have used.  And, if they wanted to focus more on OSU they could.  We don't even play ND this year.  MSU seems like a foregone conclusion at this point.  Do we really need to continue to focus on them?  The fact is OSU does a better job with their culture of winning than UM does.  Just look at how both teams have responded since the season has been cancelled.  UM already has multiple guys announcing to forgo any season and get ready for the draft.  However, guys like Fields, Wade, etc. are higher draft projections than Mayfield & Thomas and they are still focused on finding a way to play in college to win a NC.  OSU just does a better job than UM culturally with prioritizing winning at OSU than UM.  And, OSU while still not as good academically as UM has improved significantly in the past 20 years.

Collateral Whiz

August 28th, 2020 at 8:50 PM ^

First off, thanks for taking the time to read and reply.  It's nice to know some people are reading this with all the work that went into it.  My responses: 

In all fairness, OSU doesn't really lose to in conference top 15 teams very often, at least in the Meyer/Day era.  Maybe that was different under Cooper & Tress who played more conservative offensive systems.  But, OSU generally beats the tar out of ranked B1G teams minus PSU on the road.  But, they always beat west division ranked teams.  It's the non-ranked west division teams that seems to give them trouble...ie Purdue & Iowa.  If OSU is gonna lose, it's will be to a woefully outmatched team from the west.  The opposite tends to be true of UM.  They take care of the bottom half of the league.  When UM loses it tends to be to ranked teams on the road or OSU anywhere.

You're right about OSU under Meyer/Day.  In fact, they don't lose to anybody in the Big Ten really.  They've only lost 4 regular season Big Ten games in the 8 years since Meyer took over.  It's quite remarkable.  Two of them were to as you said, outmatched teams from the west (though the Iowa team finished just under 15 in SRS, so they weren't a bad team by any means), but the other two were to top ten (according to SRS at least) PSU and MSU teams.  I was actually pretty impressed when I compiled the data that Michigan won 37% of their games against top ten opponents.  I'd like it to be better, but really that's not bad.  OSU winning 55% is unbelievable.  It's annoying to say, but OSU produces great football teams year after year, and they're currently head and shoulders above us as a program.  The point of this post wasn't to say that their success was due to an easier schedule, but to point out that the distance between the two programs was increased by the unbalanced schedules.  Well, over the past 15 years it was increased, during the first 15 years it helped keep OSU closer to us than they really were as we were the better program back then.  

While true some of this is UM's own doing.  There have been several good in state classes for the state of MI, even when compared to OH, the last several cycles and UM has not done a good job of signing them.  Some top 5 guys the past few cycles that have signed elsewhere or are verbally committed elsewhere include Dellinger, Spindler, Payne, Rogers, Jennings, Carr, Brown, Dobbs, Barnett, Dixon, etc.

I grew up in Kalamazoo, and basically everybody I knew was either a Michigan, MSU or Notre Dame fan.  It was probably 40% UM, 40% MSU, 20% ND.  If you liked one, you despised the other two.  Now, as kids get older and are choosing a college, their minds can be changed, especially when offered a scholarship from Michigan, but it's still an uphill battle if that kid grew up liking ND and hating Michigan.  That's especially true if it's a ND family.  So, that's what Michigan is dealing with, a very divided state.  Ohio is a completely different story.  My dad's side of the family is from Cleveland, and I've met lots of people from Ohio over the years.  I've never met one person from Ohio who doesn't support OSU.  While Michigan is probably somewhere around 45% UM fans, 35% MSU, 15% ND, 5% other, Ohio is closer to 85% OSU, 5% UM, 5% PSU, 5% other.  That makes it much easier for OSU to reel in 90% of their blue chippers, while for Michigan it's tough to get more than half of our blue chippers unless MSU is in one of their down periods.  Getting 2/3rds is probably a realistic goal. That's a huge advantage for OSU and one I don't think there's much of anything Michigan can do to combat.  

There have been several good in state classes for the state of MI, even when compared to OH, the last several cycles and UM has not done a good job of signing them.

In the past there were always like 15-20 four/five stars in Ohio per year, and between 2-8 in Michigan.  I'll admit, I don't follow recruiting like I used to, has the talent gap between Michigan and Ohio decreased? 

MSU seems like a foregone conclusion at this point.  Do we really need to continue to focus on them?

I vehemently disagree with this.  We have to focus on MSU as we are their Super Bowl every year and will get their best shot.  We're always more talented than them, but the games end up being dog fights nearly every year.  In 30 years I can remember only two and a half blowout wins over them - the game from around 2002 when MSU had given up on Bobby Williams, last year, and the half game is the 2016 game that we were beating them handily but they made it close in the fourth quarter.  Two of those convincing wins were under Harbaugh so it's maybe trending towards us having their number, but still history tells me we can never take them for granted. 

 We don't even play ND this year. 

True.  I guess I was looking backwards where we play them probably what, 67% of the time?  I do think having them off the schedule will be helpful for the team over the course of a season.  I think those rivalry games take a lot out of players, more so than any other game, and leave us prone to a let down the week after them. 

OSU just does a better job than UM culturally with prioritizing winning at OSU than UM.

There is some truth to this.  Part of this I think is just the mind set of football players who go to UM vs OSU.  I think more of them go to UM for more of a full college experience, while more go to OSU just for the football.  That is a generalization and not having access to either program I might be totally off in thinking that, but that is the impression I've gotten over the years.  OSU players do seem to have more pride in their program though, and seem to be more willing to stick around.  That could be because it's less demanding, they get better benefits, I don't know, but it is something I would like to see improved about Michigan's program.  

MGoStrength

August 29th, 2020 at 2:48 PM ^

First off, thanks for taking the time to read and reply.  It's nice to know some people are reading this with all the work that went into it. 

You're welcome.  Thanks for putting that together.  It was a good read.

I'll admit, I don't follow recruiting like I used to, has the talent gap between Michigan and Ohio decreased? 

According to 247s Team Talent Composite the gap has gotten larger post 2017, but that really says more about OSU getting better than UM getting worse.  OSU used to be fringe top 5 in team talent.  Unfortunately now they are more like #1 or #2 with Bama. 

UM has consistently been a fringe top 10 talent team.  Their best ranking was #7 (2017) and their worst was #11 (2019).  Incidentally the best game between the two was 2016.  It was also the smallest margin in team talent rankings.  UM was #8 and OSU was #5Last year was the worst outcome with UM #11 and OSU #2.  It seems like there is a strong correlation between the team talent composite and the scores.  The larger margins of victory for OSU occur with larger differences in the team talent composite the last two years.  The closer scores in 2016 and 2017 were the two smallest differences in team talent.  It was unfortunate UM had to suffer through such bad QB issues all of 2017 or that may have been their best shot at home.  And, of course we know how 2016 turned out.  

OSU players do seem to have more pride in their program though, and seem to be more willing to stick around.  That could be because it's less demanding, they get better benefits, I don't know, but it is something I would like to see improved about Michigan's program.  

I don't see UM ever having more talent than OSU unless they get a generational coach like Saban which seems unlikely.  So, the only way I see UM becoming competitive with OSU again is to obsess over it the way OSU obsesses over UM.  We need to match their cultural hatred for the other and a win at all costs mentality.  Until UM is willing to do that all the advantages you mentioned will prevent UM from being competitive because the talent discrepancy is getting worse as are the scores. 

I wondered why so many MI kids seem to like ND.  I figured it was a Catholic thing.  But the same didn't seem to hold for OH kids even though IN borders both MI and OH.  I was born in AA, but have not lived in the Midwest at since my family moved when I was a small child.  I've lived in the Northeast most of my life.  I had to do a google map search and just realized that South Bend borders MI...makes more sense now.  Another advantage for OSU :/

saveferris

August 31st, 2020 at 8:28 AM ^

I wondered why so many MI kids seem to like ND.  I figured it was a Catholic thing.  But the same didn't seem to hold for OH kids even though IN borders both MI and OH.

A lot of the best football players in Michigan come from the west side, which is closer to South Bend (and East Lansing).  Bottom line, is that the football culture of Michigan is much different than Ohio.  Most kids from Ohio grow up watching the Buckeyes and dream of playing in the Horseshoe someday.  You can say the same for a lot of kids in Michigan, but it's not ubiquitous. 

Plus, Michigan still makes an attempt at cultivating the student-athlete model, which all the powerhouse programs have dispensed with.  They have this in common with Notre Dame so we wind up having to compete for a lot of same academically inclined, gifted football players.  It seems as long as we're trying to pull talent from a smaller pool of candidates with Notre Dame competing with us for that same pool of players, we will always be facing an uphill battle.

MGoStrength

August 31st, 2020 at 1:48 PM ^

It seems as long as we're trying to pull talent from a smaller pool of candidates with Notre Dame competing with us for that same pool of players, we will always be facing an uphill battle.

Sounds like UM just needs to buy up ND and we're good to go :)

michengin87

October 19th, 2020 at 12:11 PM ^

Great diary and amazed at the disparity which I also felt, but great to put the numbers to it.

On the split of fandom.  I have been a resident of Cleveland for 30+ years and have always been amazed at the allegiance to OSU.  As you mention, in MI it's more like 45% UM, 35% MSU and 15% ND.

Meanwhile, you note that OSU is closer to 85% OSU, 5% UM, 5% PSU.  However, having lived here for so long I can say that most Catholics are ND fans as well.  So, it's not really an either or, which was created by Woody Hayes.  Lou Holtz summed it up best in 2015 as he was preparing for retirement.  He was recalling a discussion that he had with Woody when he was the recruiting coordinator for OSU in Cleveland and here is what he recalled Woody Hayes reasoning for not playing ND:

"He said, 'People in this state, half are for Notre Dame and half are for Ohio State. And they're all for Ohio State and they're all for Notre Dame, and the minute we play one another they've got to choose.' And that's why he refused to play them, because he felt somebody would have to choose, where as this way they could be for both. "And it really made logic to me."

So, from a recruiting standpoint, I think that has a big effect.  There isn't nearly as much backlash from a player going to ND as there is going to a rival.  So, they might lose a few to ND, but going to UM is basically an act of treason.

 

One more thing that I will say is that I believe that the strength of schedule also affects The Game.  Playing tougher teams means that your first team plays more snaps and has the potential for more injury.  It also seems to me (in my maize and blue colored glasses) that we had the tougher opponents the week before The Game, too.  Maybe that's the sequel to this diary to consider.

Appreciate the great read!

energyblue1

September 1st, 2020 at 9:37 AM ^

When you combine this with the spreadsheet using big10 officiating data to prove Michigan was called for Holding at a much higher rate and in turn generated half the holding calls of the entire conference.  It just shows we are in the crap end of the stick with this conference and there is no reason to be in it.  There just isn't... 

When you can go to any game and see straight up calls directly against this team vs osu in random games, 02, 03, 05, 06, 07, every game where you watched our de's and dt's getting tackled by osu lineman since Harbaugh has been here and you just scratch you head wondering why our school puts up with it........

Collateral Whiz

September 1st, 2020 at 11:49 AM ^

When you combine this with the spreadsheet using big10 officiating data to prove Michigan was called for Holding at a much higher rate and in turn generated half the holding calls of the entire conference.

I know, right?!!  I come short of calling it a conspiracy, cause frankly I don't know what motivation the conference would have to try to make Michigan lose more - I just don't see how that would be in its best interest.  But, the holding calls you referenced, and these strength of schedule disparities are so blatant, it can be difficult to see how it's not intentional.  

The schedule disparity is a bit more clear to explain than the holding calls.  Some of it is just freaky luck.  Michigan missed PSU only 4 times since they've joined the conference, and I think 3 of those PSU teams ended up being the 2nd, 3rd and 4th worst PSU teams by SRS in that time.  I think the conference thought they were giving us a break, and it turned out to backfire.  OSU hasn't missed PSU at all since they joined. Also, OSU missed probably the two best Northwestern teams in '95 and '96, and there's no way anyone could have seen that missing Northwestern would be an advantage to OSU.  So, a lot of it is just randomness, but this year there was no reason to give OSU the way easier schedule.  

In those OSU games you referenced, were there particular calls you remember being blatantly against UM or was it just general bad reffing?  I'm thinking of researching 50/50 calls in close UM OSU games to see who benefitted from more, so if you got some that would help me.  I know the Crable late hit in '06, that crappy holding call against us in '11 that kept them in the game, and then obviously the '16 shit show (shit, just saw that it's every 5 years...we're destined to get a questionable call against us late in the game if by some miracle we play them this year), but am looking for some more.    

FrankTigers2

September 2nd, 2020 at 7:22 PM ^

The continuous whining about how

1. The B1G hates UM

2. OSU cheats which is why they win

3. OSU doesn’t require their kids to play school

4. The officials are against UM

 

it gets old...chances are that the people chirping the most, didn’t even go to UM.  

Collateral Whiz

September 3rd, 2020 at 9:21 PM ^

The continuous whining

Harsh.  I put somewhere between 50 - 100 hours into the research and writing of this post, and I found that OSU has had a large competitive advantage over Michigan for the past 30 years.  As a Michigan fan I'm not supposed to be a bit disappointed about that?  I didn't think I was overly whiny in this post, but maybe I was.  

1. The B1G hates UM

I don't think the Big hates UM, but I do think maybe there is a preference for OSU.  I don't think it's a conscious choice, but probably something like more of the people in power having a connection to OSU.  I think this way because of things like the decision to send OSU to the Rose Bowl in 1973 over Michigan when that broke precedence, the league basically saying there was no problem with the officiating in the 2016 game (the spot doesn't bother me, the missed PIs and holding calls on OSU do), this year's revamped Covid schedule, etc.  

2. OSU cheats which is why they win

I think it's pretty clear OSU is not afraid to bend the rules.  I think we can at least agree on that. I generally try not to use this as an excuse for why they win though, because it not only comes off as whiny, but also while I feel like Michigan is mostly clean, I am not positive about that, and I have no idea what kind of advantage we get from bag men etc.  

it gets old...chances are that the people chirping the most, didn’t even go to UM.  

Ugh, what does it matter if a fan went to the school or not?  I don't see how that's relevant.  I did go to and graduate from UM for what it's worth though.  

FrankTigers2

September 3rd, 2020 at 10:34 PM ^

So how does the number crunching take into account that OSU has beaten Michigan on the field for almost every year in the past 17 years.  
 

it ain’t the bagmen

it ain’t the tattoos

it ain’t the schedules

it ain’t the officiating

 

they coach better, they recruit better, they want it more   
 

 Talk to former Michigan players...I have. ...they all got the $100 handshakes.   Those who think that Michigan is squeeky clean don’t remember Ed Martin...and if you think that was isolated to BBall, it wasn’t.     

If you ( and the rest of the people on this board) the honest with yourselves, you would understand that OSU coaches better, and they care more.  That’s why they win.  

Collateral Whiz

September 4th, 2020 at 10:58 AM ^

Sigh, did you actually read more than a paragraph of what I wrote in this thread?  

So how does the number crunching take into account that OSU has beaten Michigan on the field for almost every year in the past 17 years.  

First of all, if you have to ask this question, why are you frequenting this website?  That's what we do here.  It's deep analysis of why things happen to Michigan football and basketball using mostly objective data.  Part of the fun of college football as opposed to other professional sports is how unbalanced things are between teams, and so taking a look into those imbalances isn't whining, it's having an enjoyable conversation.  You seem like one of those "Don't talk about ______ until we beat Ohio State" people.  We love Michigan football, and we don't stop talking about just because we're not winning as much as we hoped.  

Moreover, I specifically stated in the OP: 

I know that the schedule doesn't matter as much as the fact that we just can't beat OSU head to head, and no matter how difficult or easy the rest of our schedule is, we won't break through that glass ceiling until we actually beat them.

I wasn't saying the schedule was the reason OSU has been better than us over this 30 year span, but it has increased the disparity.  Seeing these data, I don't think you can dispute that.  I think I've been pretty honest throughout this thread that OSU has been a much better program over the past 15 years, but go ahead and keep yelling that at me, it's really fun to hear.   

Those who think that Michigan is squeeky clean don’t remember Ed Martin

This was your response to a reply in which I had just written that I don't know how clean Michigan is, so I'm not a person who uses cheating as the reason OSU is better.  

If you ( and the rest of the people on this board) the honest with yourselves you would understand that OSU coaches better, and they care more.  That’s why they win. 

Who on this board wouldn't freely admit that OSU is the better program than Michigan right now?  Who wouldn't tell you the coaching at OSU has been better for 20ish years now?  We are honest and that's why we put together spreadsheets of data to examine maybe why and where the disparities are coming from.  Furthermore, you say we need to be honest with ourselves, like it's the fans that aren't being accountable for our actions and working to get better, and that's why we're losing.  That's on the players and coaches, we have no impact on the games and your lecturing fans on this doesn't either, so what's the point in doing it?  As Rick Sanchez would say, "Don't tell me how to enjoy things."  

It feels like you just want to argue without actually reading anything, and then bang home the same four points.  Maybe that's your MO, so if you want, go ahead and keep whining about fans whining.  

GoBlueTal

September 4th, 2020 at 1:47 PM ^

to paraphrase Spurrier, "if you gotta cheat to win, you're trying too hard."

"care" - LOL.  did I say LOL?  Cuz I meant to say ROFLMAO.  

That's a bit too much like the kid who uses cheat codes to hack a video game and thinks they've got skill, no, sorry. 

energyblue1

September 3rd, 2020 at 1:52 PM ^

The question I meant to ask is where does Penn St stand in this?  Wisconsin, MSU over the same time period and Nebraska since joining.  My point is there is an obvious Difference from Michigan and Osu with the conference.  But showing other schools as well might give better perspective or evidence.  

 

Collateral Whiz

September 3rd, 2020 at 9:26 PM ^

That's a good question.  I purposely kept it just to OSU vs Michigan though, because when you compare two teams' schedules, it's not that hard to do it in a way where you don't penalize the better team for winning too much.  However, I wasn't sure how to do that with adding in more teams.  It was more convoluted than I could get my head around.  Maybe someday I'll figure something out.  

GoBlueTal

September 4th, 2020 at 1:39 PM ^

Spectacular work.  I disagree that it's 100% "luck".  You're right, it's not possible to predict '95 NWU, it is possible to see Wisc is the most consistent of the west and notice that OSU has played them... less.  

There's also ways to control better and worse positions in a schedule.  Ever notice how the SEC championship caliber teams never (okay, rarely) seem to play two "hard" games in a row?  It's not an accident.  OSU doesn't have MSU/PSU/UM in a row the way UMich has had Wisc/PSU/MSU recently.  

And while I don't know the relative gap between when a schedule is made vs. the year it's played, it's not so far that the schedule makers can't see "things", i.e. a senior laden Purdue or similar.

All that said, in the land of "fuck you's" to M, this is a small one, but small things add up, and it's justifiably infuriating that 30 years of this does indicate more than accidental behavior. 

 

Collateral Whiz

September 4th, 2020 at 3:25 PM ^

Thanks for the compliment, and glad you enjoyed it.  I just did a quick check at fbschedules.com, and it's got Michigan's conference schedule planned out until 2025.  So, it looks like it's planned out for the next five years, which in that case it's impossible for their not to be some surprise teams that screw up the SOS balance.    

Interesting point about the SEC teams not playing tough back to back games.  I don't pay close attention to the SEC, but that does feel accurate now that I think about it.  

I didn't really pay close attention to order of difficult games when I put this together unfortunately.  I did notice that OSU tended to lead off with really weak Big Ten teams, but that didn't really come off to me as an advantage.  It's nice to get off to a good start in Big Ten play, but I almost think you want the Rutgers and Marylands of the world a bit later in the season when the team is more banged up and needs a rest.    

jbohl

September 9th, 2020 at 11:21 AM ^

first:  Great job

 

second:  i believed that M has played a tougher schedule than osu for a while.  the regular scheduling of Wisconsin played a role and just random bad luck contributed as well.

third:  the fix is easy.  count the 6 intra-division games as the first B1G CC qualifier.  if no outright winner then work out tiebreaker flow:

1st tiebreaker:  head to head

2nd tiebreaker: in case of more than 2 teams tied:  inter-division record

FILL in more tiebreakers

if after any tiebreaker only 2 teams  remain tied then revert to head to head

 

to be fair as possible, promote inter-division scheduling that avoids long streaks of playing the same team from the other division (like um v. wiscy recently).   this would not apply to purdue and indiana

Jon

September 16th, 2020 at 2:22 PM ^

Great analysis. It's nice to know that it hasn't been just my imagination that, whichever teams in the B1G West happen to be the weaker ones in a given year, are generally the ones that Michigan has rotated off its schedule for that year.

Forsakenprole

September 21st, 2020 at 7:56 PM ^

This is really, really good content. 
Fascinating stuff OP; gives teeth to an intuition I think a lot of us fans have had. Also great work on your formula and such. I’m not a numbers guy so I’m extremely impressed by your work here.

It really does make one think - should schedules have more flexibility?

This year - with Covid and whatnot - has certainly proven that the way CFB schedules some 7-10 years in advance is not necessary, and perhaps detrimental.

Maybe adding flexibility and more short term scheduling could help the powers that be ensure that that best teams are playing schedules that align with their pedigree. Steps *do* need to be taken to cultivate parity in the sport; the model of 3-5 annual semi-pro teams vs. “the field” (i.e quite literally everyone else) is damaging the game, in my opinion. There’s just so little hope for 99% of the sport in to even sniff the playoff, let alone consistently compete at a high level. Anything that can give more teams a chance - even a small one - at feeling some realistic hope at competing for a championship should be done. I do think dynasties are good for the sport; every story needs a villain.

But the way we essentially have one small and exclusive pro-am league feasting on the ranks of actual college football teams is actively harming the sport. Can’t most of us agree - 2007 was the best year, precisely because it was not a year where we suffered the same tired dominance of results that were all chalk?

Thanks a lot for sharing - it’s posts like these and independent posters like you that makes this the best sports website and community on the web. 

Collateral Whiz

September 22nd, 2020 at 4:24 AM ^

Thanks for the very flattering feedback.  

I've kind of gone back and forth over the last few years feeling the same way you do about parity in the game.  This dominance by 4 teams seems really bad for the sport, but I kind of assume this is the way fans of schools like Purdue, Minnesota, Iowa, etc. have probably felt for years.  I think to myself, Michigan has been the beneficiary of years of built in advantages that it's almost impossible for schools like the ones I mentioned to overcome, so who am I to complain when it's another school having an advantage over Michigan?    

However, I do think this is different.  In the past in college football, schools would go through 3-5 years of dominance and then tend to fall off for another school to take its place.  What we have right now seems unprecedented, and seems to have been created by a perfect storm of three factors combining to make super teams: 1) the way the playoff has been implemented, 2) social media connecting recruits, and 3) the way the sport is covered by the media.  The best teams just keep getting better, and there are no checks to stop it.  Clemson, Alabama, OSU and Oklahoma are all having runs of dominating their conference that I don't think we've ever seen before, and there doesn't look to be any signs that it will change anytime soon.  Hopefully I'm wrong, and some other teams (Michigan!) can break through to the playoff more often, cause I agree, this dominance is bad for the sport.  

DHughes5218

September 21st, 2020 at 10:18 PM ^

Thanks OP. It’s easy to see a lot of work went into this and it’s appreciated. Aren’t the crossover matchups determined years in advance? If so, it would just have to be bad luck, right? We may not know the order, but for the next 6-8 years, I think we know which conference teams we will playing each season. Maybe I’m wrong, but I think they have a locked in crossover match-up for next six years and rotate the others every couple of years.  You can pretty much count on Wisconsin being good, but the rest of the West is a crap shoot. The good news is this should begin to adjust in our favor beginning in 2022 when we will get Nebraska for the next six years and osu will take on Wisconsin. Our luck, Wisconsin will be on a downturn and Frost will have Nebraska playing like it’s 1995.

Success breeds success (failure leads to more failure) and there’s probably a correlation between a West team not having to play osu and them having a successful season. I’ve heard the best time to play a team is the week after osu played them. I don’t know if it’s true, but I’ve heard it said that teams are often demoralized or just flat out spent after playing ohio state and they tend to struggle the following week. Out of curiosity I searched and couldn’t find any completed data on it, so I just decided to look up 2018 results. Maybe this was a one year fluke, but osu went 8-1 during the Big Ten regular season. Their opponents went 1-7 the week after playing them. Nebraska was the only team to win the week after playing osu and of course it was our regular season finale and didn’t play the following week. Again, that’s just one year and I don’t care enough to look up any others, but it could contribute to the scheduling disparity. 
 

Collateral Whiz

September 22nd, 2020 at 4:55 AM ^

Aren’t the crossover matchups determined years in advance?

I was able to find Michigan's Big schedule through 2025, so yeah, they are scheduled quite a bit in advance.  I unfortunately don't know if that's always been the case though.  It would be interesting to get more insight on the scheduling process.  

Our luck, Wisconsin will be on a downturn and Frost will have Nebraska playing like it’s 1995.

Yep, you can count on that.  

Success breeds success (failure leads to more failure) and there’s probably a correlation between a West team not having to play osu and them having a successful season.

I think you're definitely on to something here, and that might be part of the reason for the SOS disparity.  I've kind of had a running theory in my head that you can tell a team is good if their opponents tend to struggle the week after playing them, so it was good to see a little bit of data to back that up.  That's a small sample size, so definitely not enough to make any definitive statements, but I think there is something to this.  Even if it is true though, I don't think it accounts for much of the SOS disparity.  Michigan had the more difficult schedule from '90 to '04 even when they were the better team, and while I'm willing to give OSU some credit for teams playing poorly after facing them, I'm not willing to give them credit for teams going 0 for in the conference, and they played so many more of those teams than Michigan.  

Not sure if I'm making sense right now, I'm half falling asleep, but wanted to acknowledge that it might be a small, small part of this SOS disparity.  

energyblue1

September 26th, 2020 at 7:50 AM ^

I checked osu's schedule 2020 originally had Iowa and was dropped by the b10 for this season when they could have dropped Nebraska or Illinois. 

Also, it does appear that osu's conf schedule gets tougher the next 4 years with Minnesota, Iowa and Wisconsin being multiple games.  That is provided these programs are still playing at a high level to win the b10 west.  That said, the big10 has obviously protected osu as it's interest for more than 30 years and esp this year when they could. 

I don't mind playing a tougher schedule than osu, it's felt like that has been the case every year but a few in my lifetime regarding osu.  However blatant by the b10 is beyond ridiculous. 

Collateral Whiz

September 27th, 2020 at 12:58 PM ^

Ah, nice to hear from you.  Your diary you linked was actually a bit of inspiration for mine just with how well you presented everything and how well written it was, and I looked at it as an example for mine quite a bit when I was writing.     

Curious since you must have looked at a lot of SRS numbers...have you seen anyone higher than OSU's last year?  I think it was 27.4 right?  I didn't see any others above that, so I was wondering if they were the best team of all time according to SRS.  Crazy if so.  

mgoDAB

September 27th, 2020 at 5:51 PM ^

Happy to hear that my diary served as a little motivation/template for your analysis. We’re definitely fortunate to have a site where stuff like this can live and allow us to collaborate and share new ideas. Certainly eager to do some additional work once the idea(s) come to me (and I’m sure you are too). 

With regards to your question, though, without having to go back and look up the data, here’s a few excerpts from my diary post. While the 2019 OSU team wasn’t quite the best, it was still an historically great team per SRS.

At the conclusion of the 2019 season, Ohio State boasted a five-year moving average SRS rating of 21.3 (best since 1977 when the five-year average was 23.2), with the 2019 edition of Ohio State (27.4) being the best team in the program’s history since 1973 (29.7). Only Bo Schembechler has faced off against a better Ohio State team. Furthermore, the 17.7 lower bound of the Harbaugh Era (i.e. the worst Ohio State team he’s played) as well as the 21.3 middle bound (i.e. average Ohio State SRS rating he’s played) are significantly higher than that of all his predecessors.