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[Bryan Fuller]

Lot of talent, lot of talent. CBS draft analyst Dane Brugler:

Per NFL scouts, Butt and Charlton(!) could be high first round picks:

Juniors will pile in, of course, but if that holds to draft day both those guys would go in the top 15. I can't imagine it would—QBs and various other players at positions the NFL drafts higher than TE will emerge—but I be like dang anyway.

Todd McShay has Michigan third on his list of teams with the most NFL talent, and while having no idea what happened in the draft last year…

Last year, QB Jake Rudock (sixth round) was the lone Wolverine selected

…is not a great look for a draft analyst, ESPN currently projects seven players to be off the board by the end of the third round:

  • #31 Jake Butt: "Has very good natural combination of size and speed to create mismatches. Adept at playing in-line (Y), flexed out (F) and split out wide. Very fluid for his size. … Gets overmatched physically at the point of attack by bigger defensive linemen."
  • #33 Jabrill Peppers: "Good cover skills for a safety. Has lots of experience playing man-coverage both in the slot and on perimeter. At his best in man-coverage. Lacks elite fluidity in hips, but has quick feet and good burst. … Willing but could also be more aggressive at times. [ed: ?!?!?]"
  • #39 Jourdan Lewis: "was in the hip pocket of Michigan State WR Aaron Burbridge (6th round pick, 49ers) hip pocket the entire 2015 game (stats are deceiving). Displays excellent body control and balance. Shows good deep speed on tape."
  • #46 Jehu Chesson: "Very good speed for size and can threaten vertically. Gets from 0-to-60 miles per hour in a hurry. Has length and tracking ability to create matchup problems for average-to-smaller cornerbacks on 50-50 balls…. Excellent effort as a blocker. … Love watching this guy play the game."
  • #56 Chris Wormley: "Excellent size and good overall strength. Shows snap in his hands and flashes ability to press offensive linemen into their backfield. … Tied for team-lead with 6.5 sacks in 2015 but 4.5 of those sacks came versus marginal offensive lines (Oregon State, Penn State and Rutgers) and his sack versus Michigan State was a protection breakdown."
  • #69 Taco Charlton: "Power-based bass rusher that does a good job of using his long arms and explosive power to get into offensive linemen's pads, and then grinds through contact. … Good but not elite first-step quickness. Solid lateral agility and redirect skills for size."
  • #77 Mason Cole: "Better suited for pass pro inside. … Takes good angles and has very good range. At his best as a run blocker when on the move. Has the feet to consistently win battle for initial positioning. Lacks heavy hands and is erratic with hand placement."

In addition, De'Veon Smith and Kyle Kalis(!) are ranked as fifth-rounders. Smith has no scouting and Kalis's ("Good angles. Knows assignments. Solid job locating assignments in space.") appears to be about a different person.

You'll note the omission of Amara Darboh and Maurice Hurst from these rankings. Both those guys will be draftable by the end of the year. I'd be another member or two of the secondary get there as well.

Drake Johnson is the guy you should hit with a forklift. I mean, if it's absolutely necessary. Please don't run Drake Johnson over. Or anyone, really. Do not run people over with forklifts. Yes, fine, Hitler. In that unusual case where a zombie nazi is threatening children or whatever, go ahead. Even in that situation, are we really calling a reanimated corpse "people"? I think that's not people.

Sorry, no politics.

Anyway:

"The world could be falling apart, and doomsday could be happening, and I'd be like, oh, look, there's a nice flower on the ground," he says.

If it were anyone other than Johnson, such positivity would feel contrived and feigned. But then Johnson waves his arms, talking with his hands like a grand raconteur, and says something like, "There's always something good in every situation," and, dammit, you've got to believe him.

If I was Drake Johnson I would get business cards with "Grand Raconteur" on them posthaste, while looking very carefully for lurking forklifts. 

Around the league. Things happening in opponent camps:

  • Penn State seems set to replace Carl Nassib with a couple of older guys who had 1.5 sacks between them a year ago. You'd think that would be a dropoff, but Nassib came out of nowhere a year ago.
  • PSU is considering starting true freshman Michael Menet, a five star guard type.
  • Rutgers QB Chris Laviano "edged" a grad transfer brought in to compete with him. I mostly mention this because I had no idea this went down last year: "Laviano will have a chance to win over Rutgers fans who had no love for him last season when he went five straight games without a touchdown pass and lost his cool by blasting them on social media after interpreting boos meant for then-coach Kyle Flood at his own show of toughness in the middle of a career-best game."
  • MSU has five "co-starters" on the DL. One of them is a 275-pound DT who grad-transferred from Nebraska, a second is a redshirt freshman, and a third is a senior DE with eight career tackles. If that doesn't presage a major dropoff despite the presence of Malik McDowell I'm going to throw a shoe.
  • Per Urban Meyer, H-back Curtis Samuel is OSU's "number one playmaker on offense." Mike Weber is "close" to being named the starting RB; after Brionte Dunn was booted his competition is "nah" and "???."  Malik Hooker and Damon Webb are leading to start at safety; sounds like Webb is still a little combustible.
  • OSU may start true freshman Michael Jordan at guard. Jordan was a well regarded recruit but not so well regarded that you shouldn't expect Michigan to wreck that dude.

Etc.: What to expect from Ibi Watson. More Jabrill Peppers three-way-spreading-across-college-football stuff. Jarrod Bunch has a podcast. Brady Hoke in Oregon is going to be fascinating.

Comments

DJMich23

August 23rd, 2016 at 2:14 PM ^

He didn't come to Michigan with the hopes of sabotaging the football program. He most certainly tried his best, unfortunately for him it just wasn't enough. With that being said, Brady Hoke did a ton of good for the program. Everything except win of course which is an absolute requirement in Ann Arbor. As for the walking away with millions, well, welcome to American capitalism.

1VaBlue1

August 24th, 2016 at 8:12 AM ^

So, admit this: you being an upwardly mobile college football coach offered the keys to Michigan's Universe, would accept that job with gusto and go about doing your absolute best.  But your best wouldn't be good enough.  No matter though, because your boss was fully behind you and would shield you from being fired.  Right up until he stepped out from the oncoming bus and let you take it square in the jaw.

I don't blame Hoke - he was in over his head, but he did what he knew and tried his best.  I will never believe any jackass that says he didn't try, or didn't care.  He did - to the best of his (limited) ability.

Blame Brandon for enjoying that diminished reflection after hiring Hoke...

Steves_Wolverines

August 23rd, 2016 at 2:27 PM ^

It's amazing to see all these lists come out listing off all our potential NFL draft picks, especially on the DL and OL, while this is going on at MSU's camp:

LINK

"Concern: The outside duo of Machado and Beedle have a total of 17 games, no starts and less than 200 snaps of experience between them. New players need to be worked in sometime, but having that little experience simultaneously in both starting tackle spots is a risk."

"The last time Michigan State had a new left tackle it was Conklin, a redshirt freshman who could hardly earn a Division 1 scholarship offer. So Michigan State's precedent for getting big performances out of inexperienced players at the spot is established, and it's confident in Beedle. But that doesn't mean there's not uncertainty in having a newcomer at the critical spot."

Of note: David Beedle was recruited as a 3* DT, switched to Offensive Guard, and now just started practicing at Tackle. 

And we're sweating bullets about the uncertainty of our LT position, how Cole will transition to center (MSU is moving their RT Kieler to C this season by the way), and the two deep should there be an injury. 

I think our OL "concerns" pale in comparison to both MSU and OSU. Then throw in the fact that we have probably the best DL in the Nation, and there is reason to be excited. Games are won in the trenches, especially road games against rivals. 

Bodogblog

August 23rd, 2016 at 6:36 PM ^

Really does seem dire. Sparty has 5 tackles in their "playing group": Beedle at LT as you mention, which has to be alarming to MSU fans for the reasons you cited (and I'd also throw in that he was a low rated 3* from Clarkston with offers from the MAC and Illinois), Machado who looked like a band aid last year, though he's tough, Cole Chewins who's a RS freshman I actually think will be good someday based on very limited info (liked what I saw in the spring game), but is not at all ready yet, Thiyo Likusa a true freshman 4* from Traverse City, and Keiler who is playing Center as you say. The guy they gave every opportunity to win that LT job, Dennis Finley, is outside that group. Which means they liked Beedle less than Finley as recently as this spring, which means he's probably playing because he's got to, not because he powered by anyone. I'm sure these guys will all be tough, and LJ Scott is a beast, but that's not a very good group. And it's thin. Michigan is thin as well, no doubt. But 4 of the 5 are very experienced, and Newsome looks to be doing what Finley hasn't yet for them and taking the job. Bredeson appears to be in the rotation, not unlike Likusa. And of course Cole can back up each tackle spot as well, similar to Keiler (though Cole is much better). And if the 3rd annual David Dawson camp hype train is truly rolling, we have some depth at guard as well. It's an OL that could get scary for them in a hurry, and even best case M's DL should work over pretty well.

Steves_Wolverines

August 23rd, 2016 at 7:01 PM ^

And I thank you for such a well written response. MSU on paper is weakest both in quality starters and depth at OL and DL. This is something Coach Mark D isn't used to in recent years, and we'll definitely see what he can get out of those two lines.

OSU is in a similar place as MSU regarding inexperience, but the quality of their players is shoulders above MSU (and UofM). 

I think we have the best OL (top 7) out of the three. OSU 2nd, and MSU 3rd. Same rankings for DL as well. 

Sethgoblue

August 23rd, 2016 at 3:16 PM ^

I know it's just a blip on this UV, but the Hoke-Oregon thing is going to be interesting. I live out in Oregon, so will get to see plenty of it up close.

However, in the linked article, Lindsay Schnell does one of those things that, as a fellow journalist, I can't stand and see way too much of, basically making something up. She refers to Hoke as "one of the best defensive minds in college football." If you say so ...

This is a near total fabrication. Perhaps it draws on something that is true. Hoke is certainly a well-liked coach, perhaps even well respected, but it has never been for his "mind." The context is that outsiders doubt Hoke and Oregon, but she doesn't explore the doubts or piles of evidence for those doubts at all. 

Hoke is not known for a scheme or for Xs and Os. He's known for being a great motivator, a great position coach (DL). How can he be known for the cerebral or tactical aspect of D when he has never even been a coordinator? How much of Michigan's defense, the scheme or philosophy of it, can he really be credited for? Even then, Michigan's defenses under Hoke still struggled against good spread teams, especially spread to run ones. I bet RichRod is licking his chops for that match up. No one feared playing Michigan because Hoke was in the dark machinating devilish ways to trip you up or confuse you (unlike now, praised be the Jimmy!) It seems rather, he was more the opposite, a dull disciple of Lloyd Carr's reliance on talent to win out because Michigan was usually going to have more of it.

Tactically, as a head coach or with his team's offenses and defense, Hoke isn't known for being cutting edge. If anything, he's too vanilla, too conservative and has shown a resistence to, you know, acually using logic or even thinking when evaluating non-traditional strategies or formations? Spread punt anyone? Turn perhaps the best running quarterback in college history into a pocket passer? Go ahead Borges. 

Ugh. 

I'm eager to see what he does with Oregon. If I had to guess, he will run a pretty vanilla 4-3 with good but not great talent and the results will be mediocre. There will be some highlights. There will be a few abect disasters. If he has time to build a top D-Line, which I don't think they have on this roster, maybe that would be enough to make the Oregon D effective enough overall, but I expect he's going to have to rely too much on blitzing. Against average teams that will work out fine, but the Ducks will get outcoached and burned by the RichRods, get mixed results against passing spread teams in the Pac-12, and get outmuscled or just beat superior talents that run pro-style, like USC, UCLA and Stanford. 

I have only a glimmer of hope that given the chance to actually run a defense himself without having to carry all the weight of being Michigan's head coach, he will either bone up on how modern defenses are adapting or become even vaguely innovative. Doesn't feel likely. 

 

Yeesh. 

 

Kevin13

August 23rd, 2016 at 5:45 PM ^

next year. It's such a huge leap for OL to make that jump after just 2 college season. I understand the guy has been a stud since he stepped on campus, but would be a lot smarter move to play one more year at UM, get his degree then head to the NFL.

bronxblue

August 23rd, 2016 at 5:47 PM ^

McShay shouldn't be taken all that seriously as a draft analyst.  He has been bad recently, to the point I barely consider him more than a suit out there.

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August 23rd, 2016 at 9:17 PM ^

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AmayzNblue

August 24th, 2016 at 10:53 PM ^

This is exciting but seeing all these NFL draft picks makes me think we need to win it all this year because we're going to empty the cupboard at the end of this season.