January 7th, 2011 at 11:38 PM ^
I do not consider your kind to be my "brother." Blood relations are far too intimate for my taste. ytMSU is an embarrasment to the Big Ten. Way to put up those billboards sucking your own team's dick for beating Wisconsin and then getting blown out by 42 in your bowl game.
I was unaware of ytMSU's stunning dominance in Women's Basketball. Call me when you win 90 games in a row. THAT, my friend, is dominance. As for Men's Basketball, I understand St8's not doing too hot this year. Good luck maintaining your Tradition against a real powerhouse, like Duke. Oh wait, that game was played already and you LOST.
Looking forward to another 5-0 shutout in Yost tomorrow.
January 7th, 2011 at 11:41 PM ^
Vulgarity -- the hobgoblin of the little mind.
January 7th, 2011 at 11:45 PM ^
Groupthink--the primary product of Lansing.
By the way, you did not rebut my points, Mr. MSU-debate-is-amazing.
January 8th, 2011 at 12:01 AM ^
What was your "point"? You're so uninformed, it's hard to tell. A single MSU fan was responsible for the billboards, and they were criticized by many MSU fans. You seem to imply the university had something to do with it. It didn't.
Same old junk over here: a bunch of uninformed blowhards who love to lord U-M's superiority over MSU.
And the academic rankings are based on faculty research. They have little to do with the kind of education one receives. (See Jim Harbaugh for further explanation.)
January 8th, 2011 at 12:15 AM ^
Jim Harbaugh's comments were about how football players are steered into programs that are tailor made for just getting the football players through school; ie, not what the overwhelming majority of students take.
The type of education one is recieves is dependant on three things.
1. Faculty: Michigan has a much larger endowment, and just recently was able to continue poaching away the top professors from the Ivy league. State just had to slash programs because they are in terrible shape financially. ADVANTAGE: Overwhelmingly Michigan.
2. Facilities: Again, due to the larger endowment and better financial situation, Michigan will always be able to outperform state in this capactiy. A recent visit to the MSU campus will tell just how bad the infestructure situation is at state. ADVANTAGE: Michigan
3. Quality of your peers: Michigan has the toughest admissions policy in the state, and will admit under 40% of applicants this year. In addition, 36% of UM students are out of state, despite OOS tuition being over 50k. By contrast, MSU is 94% instate (ie, no one outside of michigan thinks it is worth attending) and their admissions rate is over 70%. Getting into state is literally a joke. Michigan's ACT range was 28-32, while State's was 24-28.
Oh, and every single ranking out there will give Michigan the advantage by a huge margin over state, but why let facts and statistics get in the way of letting this tool think that State is even remotely comparable?
January 8th, 2011 at 8:43 AM ^
I actually agree with most of this -- except that getting into MSU is a "joke." I notice you didn't post a figure for U-M. I remember seeing that it was over 50% -- much higher than I thought. But that is partly due to lower quality students not applying.
Facilities are way overrated for getting a good education. So are peer effects. Most careful studies -- once one recognizes the self-selection problem -- show little or no peer effects.
It's not clear how having star research faculty affects the typical undergraduate. In fact, lots of those faculty are not good teachers. I know some of them, the they are absolutely proud of that fact.
MSU can only education the students it gets. Recruiting for a second-tier state university is very tough with the shape of the Michigan economy. So think about value-added. Studies have shown that there is little difference between first- and second-tier universities.
Your statistics about in-state and out-of-state students seem about right. U-M gets lots of spoiled rich kids from the east coast and takes those high tuition dollars. How noble. MSU does the hard work of educating a much bigger chunk of Michigan kids without the fanfare.
Oh, and if your comment about U-M's large endowment is intended to highlight that U-M is a big sinkhole when it comes to consuming precious resources then I completely agree.
January 8th, 2011 at 10:10 AM ^
Michigan's East Coast ties were born in the 1920s and 1930s, when the Ivies had quotas on Jewish students and Michigan didn't. They came in droves to Michigan to get a great education. It's not Michigan's fault they were in the right place at the right time. Painting them all as "spoiled" is ignorant, prejudiced, and more than a little sour-grapes. Not to mention calling Michigan a sinkhole for precious resources is more than a little stupid as well. Is the demand for ski masks, couches, and Keystone Light truly that great? Is Michigan starving ytMSU of resources? Are your students passing out from malnutrition in your classrooms?
Go ahead and say inane things like "Studies have shown there is little difference between first and second tier universities." Don't know about you but I would much rather go to Yale Medical School than East Lansing Clown U. for my education. If you're trying to paint ytMSU as some sort of paragon of virtue for the underachieving students of Michigan, you are greatly mistaken.
Seriously. Go back to RCMB. We don't serve your kind here.
January 8th, 2011 at 10:51 AM ^
Prejudiced? Did I say anything about their being Jewish? You did. So it is you who immediately put the two together. There are plenty of non-Jewish students from the East Coast, aren't there?
Nowhere did I doubt that the students coming to U-M aren't very good. They are. And many go on to do great things. Unfortunately, many U-M grads -- and it's even worse among U-M fans that the university wants nothing to do with except when it comes to purchasing hats and t-shirts -- cannot be more humble. Notice that my original post talked smack about U-M versus MSU. It was to get the folks here riled up, and I guess it did. How many posts until someone was using the "U-M is superior to MSU in academics" argument. So I presented some facts.
No, MSU will never be U-M in academics, and probably not athletics over the long term. But read some of the comments here, including yours. According to all of you, nothing worthwhile happens at MSU. Talk about prejudice.
January 8th, 2011 at 10:58 AM ^
Michigan admits East Coast kids in large numbers. Many of these students started arriving in the 1920s and 1930s, when racial quotas in East Coast schools prevented Jews from enrolling there.
You called them "spoiled rich kids from the east coast." I'm sure there are plenty of non-Jewish students who come from the east coast but painting them all as "spoiled rich kids" is an insult to Michigan's relationship with its east coast students. The facts are all out on Wikipedia. Look them up.
Personally, I could not care less about ytMSU. They can do their thing, and we can do our thing, except for playing in the same athletic conference. But I'm not the one trolling on another message board, the morning after a tainted 4-3 OT victory for a tenth-place CCHA team. Pathetic.
January 8th, 2011 at 12:22 AM ^
Summary of previous post:
ytMSU =/= Michigan's "Brother"
ytMSU =/= Top B1G Team. Supporting evidence:
- Fan, not connected to university, feels need to put up billboard describing victory over co-champion.
- Blowout losses to 9-3 Alabama teams
- Generally poor postseason record. Previous bowl win was 2001, 44-35, vs. Fresno State.
- 2010 was only the 4th season ytMSU got >10 wins in a season.
ytMSU =/= Top Women's Basketball Program
- UConn was/is the premier women's hoops program in country, with a 90-game record win streak. ytMSU does not come close.
- No one cares about Women's Basketball outside of the Big East.
ytMSU's Men's Basketball program is not doing well this year.
- 12-4 record, with losses to #1 Duke, #7 Syracuse, #22 Conneticut, and UConn
- Struggled to beat Oakland, likely to make NIT but Izzo's long flirtation with the NBA in the offseason appears to have damaged his credibility with the program as an alleged "lifer" at ytMSU. Probably will be eliminated in round 2-3.
- Michigan's men's basketball record is 12-4 so far this year, and the program is improving steadily from year-to-year after the Fab Five armageddon.
ytMSU Hockey = Suck
- 10th place in CCHA
- 2010 record 8-11-3 to date
Michigan Education >>>>>>>> ytMSU education
- Harbaugh is a bad example for you to use. When a ytMSU ex-player turns a 1-10 program into a Top 10 team with NFL teams breaking down his door for him to coach them, then you can talk smack about Michigan academics or athletics all you want.
- I'm not trolling on an ytMSU board. That would just be sad.
January 7th, 2011 at 11:54 PM ^
The bottom line is that MSU has decades, literally decades, of success to go before they could ever be reasonably considered on the same level as Michigan. This is true both in athletics and academics.
Michigan would have to continually go down hill for 50 years with MSU being amazing for you guys to become the premier anything in the state.
Instead you are one year removed from losing to Central Michigan in football and you are on here acting like people care about you at all outside of the Wolverine state.
All I can say it live it up while you can. Soak up every drop. You'll need it to keep you warm at night in the near future.
January 8th, 2011 at 1:59 AM ^
Tonight at Munn after MSU went up 3-1, I had a typical State frat boy turn around and make a motion that one can only describe as "masturbatory."
Typical class from MSU. It's words and actions from them, that are spouted off on a daily basis, that make me proud to be an Alumnus of The University of Michigan. The behavior of MSU fans is among the most disturbing and embarrassing I have ever seen, and it's a wonder anyone can be proud of an institution and a fanbase like that.
Enjoy finishing at the bottom of the CCHA!
January 8th, 2011 at 10:44 AM ^
I'm still enjoying the Big Ten Championships in men's BB and football for 2010. With our women ranked #11 and men in the top 20, that's fun, too.
No U-M fan has ever made a vulgar gesture or said anything vulgar, I guess. Did you read this thread? Lot's of whining and F-this and F-that -- usually gratuitous comments about MSU . I would've thought that with your U-M degree you'd have learned about selectivity: you remember things that support your case but conveniently forget events that do not.
For the record, I'm a U.C. Berkeley grad.
January 8th, 2011 at 10:50 AM ^
I remember ytMSU players breaking into dorms wearing ski masks and assaulting fellow students and atheletes...or did Saint Dantonio wipe that memory out of your brain as well?
If you don't like what we're saying about ytMSU, GO TO YOUR OWN FAN PAGE. THIS IS A MICHIGAN FAN PAGE FOR A REASON.
Here's another little incident that may have slipped your mind. Academics and facilities may be irrelevant to you but I sure don't like living at places that riot. But that's just me as a stupid, ignorant Wolverine.
January 8th, 2011 at 10:56 AM ^
This is what I mean by being uninformed. No one was wearing a ski mask, as the Ingham County Prosecutor clearly stated. Yet that's what stuck, and your type will never let it go.
It's also well known that the riots involved as many or more non-students as students. Yes, it's a blemish on MSU's record. And it happened more than 5 years ago.
By the way, the "Saint Dantonio" thing was slightly amusing when I first saw it about a 1,000 references ago. I suggest new material.
Funny how you think -- and this shows you've barely reached the maturity level of a middle school kid -- that being a fan of U-M means that you have to make gratuitous, nasty comments about MSU. You're either a case of arrested development or you are really worried about MSU (and envious of its recent athletic success). You choose. Probably some combination.
January 8th, 2011 at 11:01 AM ^
So by your logic, it's okay to assault fellow students as long as they don't wear ski masks. Not buying your argument champ.
Being a fan of U-M means being part of the best university in the Big Ten and enjoying all the rights and privileges therein, no more, no less. Sorry that you can't be part of the Michigan Family. Enjoy your shiny UC Berkeley diploma. I hear they had some trouble with riots way back when. Guess the love for rioting runs in the ytMSU bloodline.
January 8th, 2011 at 11:11 AM ^
Thanks for calling me "champ." That pretty much seals what I've already learned about you.
By the way, being a "fan" of any university is the easiest thing in the world. Graduating from a top university is not. People who automatically root for teams with winning traditions reveal something about themselves.
Oh, yeah. The rioting in Berkeley? That was against the Viet Nam war. No one in AA was against that, I guess. I do know there were lots of peaceful demonstrations at MSU.
January 8th, 2011 at 11:17 AM ^
Nice try trotting out the Walmart Wolveirnes argument. That meme got old back in 1992. If you could read, you could see that my tagline clearly says "Michigan Class of 2010."
I personally do not have a problem with fans not going to this university or that and still rooting for their sports teams. Michigan has a national--nay, international--following. Many of them are grads. Many more are not. Some of the best MGoBoard posters did not go to Michigan but have family or cultural ties to the school. I treat them just the same as anybody else.
Ironic that ytMSU is now being more selective about those who are worthy to root for her storied athletic and academic traditions. Now who's putting on airs?
January 8th, 2011 at 11:19 AM ^
You're welcome to be proud of "your" university (funny how you insult Michigan fans who never went there, but then claim allegiance to MSU), but you say it as if it'll be embraced here. No one cares, go troll elsewhere.