Michigan-ND rivalry renewal prospects "trending up" !
This is blowing up on twitter. Brian Kelly mentioned it on Rich Eisen's show.
The good Brian's take on this-
if Jim Hackett gets the ND series back on it's time to start talking statue
— mgoblog (@mgoblog) September 9, 2015
September 9th, 2015 at 2:53 PM ^
I'll be honest, I dont want to play ND every year - it gets boring. In a 10 year frame I'd like to do 4 with ND and do the new things like we are doing with UCLA and Oklahoma. Add a Georgia, LSU, whatever into the rotation for 6 of those 10 years and have our "old school" rivalry with ND for the other 4. That's enough rotation to keep it a rivalry but allow us to play other blue bloods.
September 9th, 2015 at 4:36 PM ^
I wouldn't mind seeing Notre Dame being part of a rotation of blue chip programs and top teams coming into Ann Arbor. Perhaps ND and UM play a couple times every six to eight years, but that would be the limit for me.
I was at the Rose Bowl game a decade ago when Michigan and Texas played one another for the first time. The home-and-home series between the two teams is scheduled for 2024 and 2027.
The last and only time Michigan played Oklahoma was in a bowl game where UM was wearing white pants. That was four decades ago. The home-and-home series is scheduled for 2025/6.
You mentioned LSU--this is a team Michigan has never played. I think Michigan has only played Georgia two or three times and the last game was in the early 1960s. Another team I'd add to the list is Texas A&M, who I think Michigan has played twice (once in the 1970s and once in a bowl game). Kyle Stadium has been expanded to over 100,000, so why not have a game with them?
Speaking of SEC teams, what about Tennessee or Auburn in a home-and-home series? If you reach out to the ACC, there's Florida State, Miami FL and Clemson as possibilties as well. I think you'd have to go to the 1980s and early 1990s since UM played those first two teams either regular season or during a bowl.
Remember a couple other things. Jack Swarbrick put in the three year notice to option out of the contract, not Brandon. If Swarbrick wanted to reconfigure the series after ND joined the ACC, then all he had to do was pick up the phone. Seeing how successful UTL I turned out, I suspect that even DB would have worked with him to that end.
September 9th, 2015 at 2:57 PM ^
I will never understand the infatuation with the ND game. With a 9 game B1G schedule we have very few opportunities to showcase ourselves in important places where we recruit: FLA, TX, CA, GA to name a few.
Yes, it's a national game with national interest. So what? Same could be said for a game against UGA, Texas, Stanford, UCLA etc. An added though less important benefit of not playing ND is that we also don't have to deal with the self-righteousness of those clowns.
September 9th, 2015 at 2:59 PM ^
Michigan has home and homes with Arkansas, Texas, Oklahoma, Washington, Virginia Tech and UCLA in the next 12 years as well as an additional game at Jerryworld against Florida.
September 9th, 2015 at 3:50 PM ^
Notre Dame and Michigan are national games that garner attention throughout the states we recruit in.
September 9th, 2015 at 2:59 PM ^
This would be great. Play them for two years and have a little break. Add them for two more years down the road again. With how the non-con schedule is looking in the future, Michigan can't play them every year.
September 9th, 2015 at 3:00 PM ^
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September 9th, 2015 at 3:03 PM ^
This is BS. Someone higher up told Brian Kelly to mention it because it would start the hype. They only want back into this game because The Harbaugh has landed and realize what a ratings jackpot this game would generate since the game against Utah last week generated the largest ratings for a football game ever on FS1 (or something like that). This is not because they want to play us again, they want the rights for their network to broadcast the game.
September 9th, 2015 at 7:44 PM ^
This is exactly right.....they want to leverage our brand loyalty and the insane revenues we can generate.
Fuck'em....I'd rather play a CA team, Texas or a decent SEC team.
September 9th, 2015 at 3:06 PM ^
But it would be nice to get them back on the schedule for a home-and-home every 4-6 years. 2018 would be a tough, but good time to start, as Harbaugh will have the team in good shape by then, I imagine. Strength of schedule becomes important, especially when at least a couple one-loss teams are going to be a factor in the playoff.
September 9th, 2015 at 3:09 PM ^
They need us more than we need them.
September 9th, 2015 at 3:16 PM ^
This would be great if they could play every other year, but the to potential catch ND, MSU and OSU on the road all in the same year is a season killer.
September 9th, 2015 at 3:13 PM ^
of playing them every 3 or 4 years but not every year...I LOVE the big time names coming to Ann Arbor and on the road..its bout damm time..I remember when Michigan always had a decent non conf schedule...Wash * ND, or UCLA & ND etc ,,Mia & FSU one year we used to have some great non conf schedules and thats been missing for awhile...SURE you are not going to win them all but come on arent you tired of mac school games..???
September 9th, 2015 at 3:38 PM ^
We seem to forget the circumstances which ended the current series and how we got screwed. IIRC, this board was negging ND and telling them to take their football and go home. I enjoyed us playing them as much as anyone, but to hell with them. We are MICHIGAN and don't need their game. Many other quality opponents out there.
September 9th, 2015 at 3:53 PM ^
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September 9th, 2015 at 3:53 PM ^
Let them join the Big 10 west. Then we'll see them twice every eight to ten years, which sounds just about perfect.
September 9th, 2015 at 4:08 PM ^
that Swarbrick knew all along what we eventually realized? That he thought Brandon was the consummate douche and didn't want to deal with him?
September 9th, 2015 at 4:25 PM ^
Does Michigan really want to play Notre Dame along with another Power Five Conference team as part of its three-team non-conference schedule?
Next season is when the Big Ten starts the nine-game conference schedule with alternating years of five (even numbered years) and four (odd numbered years) B1G games going forward. The conference also wants to pair up the teams from the two divisions and have them play over a four-year time period. From 2016 to 2019, Michigan will play Wisconsin from the West Division. The Badgers are paired up with Penn State on the home (even years) and away (odd years) rotation while Michigan State and Ohio State are paired up in the other home (odd years) and away (even years) rotation. If this scheduling practice continues, expect the next four seasons (2020-3) to have another of the better teams from the West on the schedule each season (perhaps Nebraska?).
In 2018, Michigan opens the season with Arkansas in Ann Arbor, has an open week, then hosts Southern Methodist. Does it make sense to play Notre Dame (perhaps on the road because there are already seven home games on the schedule) the Saturday after playing the Razorbacks? Michigan's first conference game after SMU is Nebraska in Ann Arbor. Does it make sense to start that season with Arkansas-at Notre Dame-SMU-Nebraska?
In 2019, UM opens the season at Arkansas, then plays Army with week 3 open and only five home games currently on the schedule (including Ohio State and Michigan State). If UM were to play ND at home, the Wolverines would then go on the road at Wisconsin the next weekend. Does it make sense to start the 2019 season at Arkansas-Army-Notre Dame-at Wisconsin?
The 2020 and 2021 seasons already have two Power Five teams in the non-conference schedules--Virginia Tech and Washington. Assuming UM holds onto those games (and the Ball State contest on 9/12/2020), there's really no open slots to play ND in those two years (unless you want to play three P5/major independents in 2021).
UCLA (2022/3), Texas (2024/7) and Oklahoma (2025/6) are all on the non-conference schedules through the mid-section of the next decades? Does Michigan reallly want to play ND plus one of those schools as part of the non-conference schedule? Let's hope CFB has gone to an eight-team playoff system by then.
We'll see what happens. David Brandon was evidentally willing to have two Power 5 teams on the non-conference slate as evidenced by the Washington-Virginia Tech combination for the 2020/1 seasons. Will Jim Hackett and Jim Harbaugh (who per his contract does have input into non-conference scheduling) do the same for the upcoming seasons? Or will they bump one or two of the teams on the future schedule to make room for Notre Dame?
September 9th, 2015 at 11:26 PM ^
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September 9th, 2015 at 4:39 PM ^
Notre Dame made a big mistake when they walked away from our series, and the money generated in their games.
I say fuck 'em and let 'em live with it.
September 9th, 2015 at 5:01 PM ^
Notre Dame is going to be paid a fixed amount of money by NBC regardless of how their schedule shakes out, even with their ACC agreement. In fact, I believe the network recently renewed their arrangement with Notre Dame through 2025.
Both schools kept their home revenue and the visiting team didn't get a cut, so Notre Dame doesn't leave any money on the table there either. If they replace UM with another home-and-home series (Texas, Georgia, Ohio State, etc.), then there's probably not much change in the money either.
For whatever reason, Notre Dame opted to sever the ties with Michigan in a manner that wasn't going to promote future good relations between the two schools. Even Bacon confirms Brandon's account about getting the letter before the 2012 game and he also never states that Swarbrick talked to DB ahead of time. So now the narrative is supposed to be that since Brandon is gone and Hackett/Harbaugh are in, Swarbrick is thinking it's a good idea to restart the series. Or is he taking flack from the networks or the stakeholders in South Bend for being the person most responsible for ending the UM-ND series?
If I'm Jim Hackett, I talk to Lloyd Carr about his history concerning ND and "gentleman's agreements" when it comes to scheduling. And once I do that, I make sure to put together one hell of an ironclad contract to make sure there's no funny stuff like we last saw in 1999.
September 9th, 2015 at 5:53 PM ^
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September 9th, 2015 at 4:41 PM ^
Otherwise, they left us. Contrary to what they believe, we don't need them to validate how tough our schedule can be.
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September 9th, 2015 at 4:45 PM ^
September 9th, 2015 at 4:53 PM ^
Not gonna lie, I'm kind of glad we aren't playing them this year.
September 9th, 2015 at 5:27 PM ^
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September 9th, 2015 at 5:04 PM ^
We now have playoffs which will expand
Moving to large conferences with divisions and playoffs
Non conference rivals --really last century
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September 9th, 2015 at 5:07 PM ^
They wanted out of the series. They said that ours was an unimportant "regional" series compared to their important rivalries that they wished to preserve. They can drop dead. If we meet in a bowl game, fine. Otherwise, never.
September 9th, 2015 at 5:09 PM ^
Am I the only one who isn't crazy about the idea of bring the ND series back? We only have three precious slots in our schedule for non-conference games (two if the B1G ever goes to a ten-game conference schedule), and I personally would like to see as much variety as possible.
September 9th, 2015 at 5:36 PM ^
September 9th, 2015 at 8:42 PM ^
I understand that a lot of people want to stick it to ND for ending the series, but I'm saying that I never cared much for that series to begin with. It frustrated me that having to play ND every year made us unwilling to schedule more non-conference games against other major conference opponents. I, for one, would love to see us play multiple nonconference games per season against Power 5 schools. Bring back the ND series would make that less likely.
September 9th, 2015 at 5:55 PM ^
No, thank you. After they left, I discovered that I really only have enough hate for two teams. Three was just too exhausting.
September 9th, 2015 at 6:00 PM ^
I would have no issue with Mr. Hackett telling Notre Dame to go fuck themselves.
They invoked their right to weasel out of the series, then insulted us by adding OSU to their schedule, and now they want to play us again.
No thanks.
Maybe we can add Boston College instead..........
September 9th, 2015 at 6:52 PM ^
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September 9th, 2015 at 7:02 PM ^
September 9th, 2015 at 7:04 PM ^
To hell with Notre Dame. The schedule is tough enough as it is. Why keep making it harder unless you're content with 8-4 every year.
September 9th, 2015 at 8:23 PM ^
How is it harder when Michigan is 5-3 in their last 8 against ND... and that's with a coach who inherited a bare cupboard and another coach, who, well, couldn't coach.
September 9th, 2015 at 9:46 PM ^
obviously u don't get it
September 9th, 2015 at 10:04 PM ^
Either you've been drinking and your senses are diminished or you're just dumber than a bag of hammers
September 9th, 2015 at 7:04 PM ^
September 9th, 2015 at 8:26 PM ^
Brandon is a douche.
ND's AD is a douche for the manner he ended the series.
Fuck Notre Dame... and I say that knowing that the two priests at my church went to Notre Dame.
September 9th, 2015 at 9:47 PM ^
you're a douche
September 9th, 2015 at 10:57 PM ^
Blow me loser.
So are you for upvoting your own posts.
September 9th, 2015 at 11:02 PM ^
and a high degree of anger in them. You seem to be a very unhappy person with who you are