Press Coverage and Defensive Back discussion
September 8th, 2014 at 12:38 AM ^
The defense is a house of cards just like the offense. If one part is off, the rest is made to look bad. Bottom line is aside from no clue how to take away slants, once again Mattison didn't generate enough pressure. Watch the Ohio/VT game and you'll see what D-line pressure is supposed to look like as Barrett got hurried and sacked all night long. A better rush would have protected the DBs some, but on top of that the apparent lack of Taylor and Peppers caused Mattison to have no idea if he wanted to press or stay back with the players he had, and they had no clue how to take away the inside slants.
This team can still be decent but only if both lines improve (sheesh where have we heard that before for the hundredth time).
September 8th, 2014 at 12:55 AM ^
I hear what your saying but even with Mattison dialing up pressure, this team wouldn't get there. They can't even blitz right. They haven't been coach to blitz correctly. Proper angles, timing, under control, reacting to the hot reads and so forth. I wonder if these players even watch film.
Yes I stated the Dline needs coaching too. I haven't not seen any moves from anyone upfront. It's quite embarrasing. But this team imo cannot be decent until they bring in some real coaching.
September 8th, 2014 at 1:04 AM ^
they can't even consistently stay in their gaps properly on base defense.
September 8th, 2014 at 1:15 AM ^
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Our DBs were getting repeatedly beaten on slants using the so-called "GL Slant technique" (because that is where it is especially effective): a step (or three) to the outside- to threaten the Fade, and then hard inside. Seems like our CBs fell for it every time.
As RaisedGoBlue and others point out, in most coverage, it is important to protect the inside.
As a general rule: bite now on any inside moves, slower to react on any outside moves. You have time to recover if you go for the inside fake and the receiver cuts outside (with a speed turn if necessary). Not so if you get faked to the outside and the receiver comes in.
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I don't understand the press techniques being taught. Good press technique typically requires using the feet and hips to disrupt the release. Contrary to popular opinion, the hands and arms only come into play when the hips are in position as the receiver comes into you.
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Seems like Countess especially was sitting back on his heels, waiting to "catch" the receiver. This made it especially easy to get by him.
It also seems obvious to me that Michigan decided after last season that if MSU can get away with all the grabbing in pass coverage. etc. ("they can't throw a flag on every play") we'd try it too. Unfortunately:
a) we are not as good at doing it or getting away with it.
b) you still need the ability and technique to back it up
September 8th, 2014 at 2:18 AM ^
While there was definitely not enough pressure, it seems like for the most part the DL did maintain pass rush lanes and responsibilities, and Golson did not have much chance to escape.
But it seemed to me the DEs (especially Clark) were rushing too deep, with little threat to go under, and the throwing window to the slant was always open.
I'd like to see more hands up on the rush as well, but there again, I would have to see game film.
There is no sense in blitzing if the blitzers don't get home and hit or hurry the QB and if we can't cover the receivers getting the quick throws.
September 8th, 2014 at 2:22 AM ^
They had 226 yards passing. After 2 games this season 226 yards passing per game is the #67 team in the country. Pretty mediocre. Is our pass defense really the problem? You can't shut down a team like Notre Dame. I mean, complaining because they completed a few slants? "You can't let them beat you inside, blah, blah, blah." You are going to get beat sometimes. Thank god we don't play A&M or Baylor.
September 8th, 2014 at 8:12 AM ^
Our defense was decent. I agree that you can't expect to shut them down. Michigan does need to win more one-on-one battles, though. They didn't generate much of a pass rush, and they were beaten regularly in the secondary (although Michigan still didn't allow big plays). Most of the predicted scores I saw had Notre Dame between 24-35 points, so we expected them to score. The problem was that our offense couldn't finish drives.
September 8th, 2014 at 11:05 AM ^
I thought it looked worse than it actually was. Certainly a lot of things than need to be improved. But held ND to 1.7 yards per carry and forced them to mostly work the ball down the field. Unfortunate that Michigan was a step slow because of some technique issues and Golson and his receivers were on their A-game. Almost all other teams on the schedule are not capable of exploiting that the way ND did.
Offense moved the ball well early, but couldn't finish, like you said. Offense isn't good enough yet to execute in a methodical, consistent basis. Then in the 2nd half things kind of took off on them.
September 8th, 2014 at 9:19 AM ^
No, they didn't have many passing yards but they had big crucial plays that kept drives going. Creating momemntum, fatigue, field position etc. Those are key differences in football games that don't show up in the stats.
Yes i am complaining because of several slants. Key slants to get off the field on third down. Key slants where not one db had the iq to jump and make a play to get the ball back to the offense.
Blah blah? Giving inside position is huge! You are throwing it away as if it's no big deal. You think state, bama coaches would do that? These are little things that can make a ok defense to a good, great defense. Countless didn't get "beat" He didn't put a fight up to even get beat. He let his guy go inside and extend drives. Good defenses get off the field on third down. I don't care what the passing yards say, id like to see their 3rd down conversation rate, top, field position etc.
If you get beat because the receiver simply beat you and was better that play. Understandable, but when you get beat without any effort, awareness, there's a problem in the coaching and play.
September 8th, 2014 at 10:23 AM ^
Do you have a job? Cause if you do not, or are willing to change, pleae send resume to D. Brandon, 1000 South State Street, Ann Arbor, MI 48109-2201; or better yet send him an email---he stays up all night answering them or figuring out how to get his grill on camera instead of doing what is in his job description.
September 8th, 2014 at 10:49 AM ^
to read that detailed analysis of DB play, something I realy know nothing about as a former OL.
ND was 7/15 on 3rd down (46%)-would be interesting to see chart of down/distance/play call. Golson completed 67% of his passes which I guess is part of your point about "several key slants". The passing game was efficient if not Baylor-esque in yards.
September 8th, 2014 at 3:55 AM ^
Golson runs almost like Denard but has a world-class arm and would rather throw the ball. I don't care who is in coverage and what technique they use, they aren't going to keep everyone in a spread formation covered when the QB can create 10-15 seconds for them to get open.
September 8th, 2014 at 8:57 AM ^
September 8th, 2014 at 10:25 AM ^
Hard to say it better than this!
September 8th, 2014 at 10:41 AM ^
So, if the defensive coaching is bad, whose fault is it, Hoke, Mattison, Manning, Mallory, Smith, all of the above? I find it hard to believe that all of these coaches are bad. Is Hoke and/or Mattison somehow handcuffing them? Have these coaches been proficient elsewhere? I just find it hard to believe that we've had such struggles on defense for two consecutive regimes. I mean Mattison was so much better in 2011 from the previous year. It's not like he forgot how to coach after the 2011 season. Despite the recruiting rankings is it possible that the players they are identifying although good are not suited for what they want? Or, maybe we're still transitioning into players that fit the scheme? It just seems to me we can't find an identity anywhere. The coaches want an identity but our personel doesn't seem suited for what they want. They try to force it, then realize it won't work, then become indecisive, and players lose confidence. I don't know...so many more questions than answers. Why am I still wasting my time trying to figure this out ugh.
September 8th, 2014 at 11:02 AM ^
If you have that many questions, then you ARE wasting you time, because all you really need to be is look at the scoreboard.
And the fact you find it hard to believe is not really relevant. It's true. Believe it. Your choice.
September 8th, 2014 at 1:29 PM ^
I coached and ran a lot of man coverage.
There are different types of press-man:
- Cover 0: No safety help, corner always aligns on inside half of WR. There are different bump techniques out there, so unless you're at practice, you don't know exactly how the technique is incorrect. You know it's incorrect simply b/c dudes were getting toasted at the LOS.
- Cover 1: center field (aka MOF - middle of field) help. Corners shade WRs based on alignment. Saban divider rules apply here. What that means is basically if the WR is inside the hash, CB aligns outside shoulder to take away out routes. If WR goes inside, it's a crosser or middle seam where you likely have a LB in the low hole and a FS bearing down on a more vertical throw. If WR is outside the hash, CB aligns inside to take away slants and skinny posts. Fade is a low percentage throw. (I know--sure didn't look like it Saturday.)
- Cover 5 (a lot of different names for this): Man under with 2 deep safeties. Corners align as in Cover 1, but now the usual technique is called trail technique where you first step toward leverage and jam, then trail the WRs near hip, b/w him and the QB. If CB is in good position, the throws that can beat him are verticals, and that's where the 2 deep safeties come in.
I've mentioned this in a few places, but if we're using cutoff technique in 0 or 1, then it's somewhat counterintuitive. The object is to use your hands, but as more of a hand-check a la basketball than to physically disrupt a WR. When you try to get too physical, your weight is forward and it's easy to be off-balance and discarded by WR moves. Therefore, it's not good to play that technique unless you have help (safety behind you, bracketed coverage, etc.)
It's my experience that it takes HS players a year to get the technique down. With more advanced athletes at the D1 level, it probably takes less adjustment time, but it still takes time, especially since our DBs are used to different techniques. Peppers being a bump corner a lot his last few seasons might actually make him a better technician. However, I will say that it wasn't uncommon for even Woodson to get beat his freshman year, especially early in the season.
If we're going to do this (which I like), we're going to have to stick with it because the only way to get good at it is to rep the shit out of it, especially in practice.
By the way, the slant is the hardest route to cover in bump man, and Kelly knew that and we all saw it Saturday.