Catchafire

February 29th, 2024 at 8:33 AM ^

What happened to CFB?  It feels so watered down now.  All of this feels like a money squeeze.  What's the point of a championship game if I am risking injury to players?

Mich1993

February 29th, 2024 at 8:41 AM ^

I agree 4 may be a bit much.  However, it makes no sense for the winner of the ACC to be treated the same as the winners of the Big 10 and SEC.  If all the good teams are going to be in 2 conferences, the teams in that conference should get some preferential treatment.  

Granted, the at large should fix that process but 2 or even 3 loss teams from the superconferences are likely better than 1 loss teams from the lesser conferences.  The world is changing, the rules probably also need to change.

bronxblue

February 29th, 2024 at 8:48 AM ^

I don't get the need for auto-bids; win games and you'll get your teams in.  This year if you include the new Pac-10 teams you'd have 4 teams in the top 8 and 5 in the top 10.  The year before it's 5 in the top 12.  Most years the Big 10 will get enough teams, but I don't want them to reward, say, a 9-3 PSU outfit who manages to miss a couple of good teams in the conference while ignoring, say, an 11-1 Sun Belt team that is objectively better.

MrWoodson

March 1st, 2024 at 12:07 AM ^

The crux of the problem with all of these proposals with autobids and guaranteed seeding is no one has any faith in the CFP Selection Committee. They have very little faith the right teams will get in and even less faith the teams will be seeded properly. And this is not because the committee is incompetent or corrupt. It's because it's a nearly impossible task. Schedules vary so much within conferences let alone between conferences, how is anyone supposed to know with any certainty whether an 11-1 Louisville is better than a 10-2 Michigan or even a 9-3 Georgia? Of course, the lack of confidence in the committee was only compounded by their decision to leave a 13-0 P5 champion FSU out this past year. Unless someone can come up with a fairly objective method of ranking the teams, the B1G and SEC (and their media partners who are paying billions per year to televise them) are going to want insurance. And the insurance they are asking for right now is in the form of autobids and guaranteed seeding.

Coffee_Addict

February 29th, 2024 at 8:55 AM ^

Simply put, this is a strong reason why we need a relegation system in College Football. Keep the best teams in the top division and the top teams will play against each other in a playoff. 

Amazinblu

February 29th, 2024 at 8:59 AM ^

One interesting tangent of the expansion to 14 and minimum number of conference teams is - the impact on ND’s status as an independent.  Let’s look at this scenario.

BIG and SEC each get four teams - ACC and Big 12 get two teams - highest ranked G5 champion - which leaves one (1) At-Large team that ND will need to compete for.

This expansion is so poorly thought out - it’s almost beyond words.  First - competing with the NFL on Saturdays in December (Though I don’t know how big of a deal this will really be - since there are College and CFP fans - vs regular season NFL).  With conference championship games - the same teams have the potential to play on consecutive weekends.  The CFP regular season will become extremely diluted - since it’s extremely likely that the loser of a P4 conference CCG will be in the playoff - it’s just the seeding and bye - and a conference trophy with confetti.

Blue Ninja

February 29th, 2024 at 9:01 AM ^

Meritocracy seems to be a fading ghost in collegiate athletics. My personal opinion is that each conference should have an auto bid for their champion, after that the best how ever many teams that they land on. I also would rather stick to 8 teams, but to be honest I would just as much rather enlarge the playoffs and do away with all these meaningless bowl games. All that said, if the SEC wants 4 auto bids, then the B1G should have 4 auto bids.

Amazinblu

February 29th, 2024 at 9:51 AM ^

Meritocracy?  Actually play the game on the field where the result matters?

I wonder how tiebreakers will play out in the SEC and B1G?  It’s going to be a tie-breaking rule / process instead of head to head.

I’m just thinking of the B1G rules last season - and what might have been - the record of teams you played in the other division.  Yeah, that’s something a team has control over.

The almighty dollar has taken control of college athletics.  And - FWIW - I’m completely supportive of media revenue sharing with student athletes.  It’s not easy to solve - revenue / non- revenue sports, Title IX, etc.   The interesting thing - there’s no discussion about revenue sharing - it’s all about adding more media dollars - with no / little attention to the student athlete.

 

mgoja

February 29th, 2024 at 9:19 AM ^

As many have already stated it is egregious.

If the goal is $$$$, wouldn't organizing competition to keep as many fans highly engaged for as long as possible be the way to go?  And wouldn't it be good to keep the athletes as highly engaged as possible by giving them a fair shot at winning something?

Grouping 100+ teams into 3 or 4 regionally balanced 30+ team leagues with relegation to move teams across leagues would seem to be the way to go.  Are there any serious disagreements with how major professional sports teams select their teams for the playoffs?  Maybe when you get to the 4th, 5th or 6th tiebreaker, I don't know.

It's time to do away with all of these conference and national-level powerbrokers and let them focus on something more valuable, like screwing up our system of health insurance even further.

abertain

February 29th, 2024 at 9:22 AM ^

I miss old college football. Go win some games and stuff. The super league got voted down in soccer because people actually like rivalries? I don't watch the NFL because it feels sort of meh. The regional rivalries make CFB great. Just win the games as Michigan did this year. Four teams :/. I don't want to watch Michigan play the same team 3x. 

treetown

February 29th, 2024 at 9:43 AM ^

Have to wonder if this is a pre-emptive strike or opening bid sort of gambit. Make some very high nigh outrageous initial proposal knowing well that it won't be accepted but then helps frame the subsequent negotiations. Wonder if this was what the meeting with the SEC was about - getting their plans in order.

energyblue1

February 29th, 2024 at 9:52 AM ^

If autobids are the deal then look no further than the NFL. The NFL does it right, and while people cry it's not fair it does set the most fair stage.  Want an autobid, win your division within your conference and you're in.  Everyone else is fighting for the record qualifiers set forth not by eye tests or popularity/tv ratings.  Hard fast rules.  Does it makes sense, yes, do people still cry that a 13 win team has to travel to a 9 win teams home stadium.  Yes, but that doesn't change the fact that they didn't win their division and if they are that good they shouldn't be complaining about where they play, they should worry about winning. 

On to Autobids...  Big10, Sec, ACC, Big12, should each get two autobids and by division winner, not by conference champ.  All conferences go to two division winners.  Then G5 the highest rated champ gets autobid.  However, the 2 highest rated teams get the bye week.  And just like the NFL, it's by conference.  Opposite brackets and conferences paired with a 4 team limit per conference.  We don't give two turds about your 5th best team..   Idk if the 5th best team is Michigan or Alabama, you shouldn't have placed 5th in your conference!  Also no guarantee of 4 spots either.  If the 4th best team sucks with 8 wins, then the 4th best team is going to the alamo bowl not the cfp... 

Schedule consistency, A miniumum # of games vs power conferences or conference schedule must be played.  No more watching an sec team play a total of 8 conference games and no other power program loaded with 4 cream puffs and then get to sneak in with that schedule and claim sec...  no, you played Chattanooga, Citadel, UAB and Tulsa.. that isn't going to cut it...  And the same for all conferences you play min 9 or 10 games vs p5 programs, should be 10 but we can go with 9 and no fcs.

Ecky Pting

February 29th, 2024 at 9:56 AM ^

It just leaves me wondering what more could be done to sap the competitive value of the games in exchange for additional television revenue, and what is the threshold at which the marginal costs finally meet the marginal revenue?

RealElonMusk

February 29th, 2024 at 11:30 AM ^

If you look at the worst teams to make the 4 team college playoff they were;

  • MSU
  • Cincinnati
  • Notre Dame

2 out of 3 were not B10 or SEC teams & with the new B10 top 4 should be U of M, OSU, Penn State & Oregon most years-  those should be competitive teams although I'm sure Frames and 3rd base will continue to underperform against top 5 teams.

 

RealElonMusk

February 29th, 2024 at 12:06 PM ^

Bids should match what each conference brings to the table so this looks about right.

Next step is we need to have Team TV value better match conference payouts.  It makes no sense that Rutgers gets the same amount as OSU or Michigan.

Due to the way conference decisions are made it is unlikely that this will be rectified until the new B10/SEC super conference is in place-  which I believe is in the next 4 years.

Vegas Wolverine

February 29th, 2024 at 5:35 PM ^

I'm fine with it. You want our Conferences? Play by our rules. Otherwise, we might just take our ball and play a BIG-10 / SEC playoffs and call it the College Super Bowl and keep the money for ourselves.