#1 prospect for 2022 decommits from Texas (bad news)
Southlake (TX) Carroll quarterback Quinn Ewers, a 5-star and the #1 prospect in 2022, decommitted from Texas yesterday. Probably because Texas kinda sucks.
This is bad, because six crystal ball picks came in last night for Ewers to Ohio State. And, unfortunately, Ohio State kinda doesn't suck.
October 29th, 2020 at 10:22 AM ^
It's not just us that has to beat them, there is something going on at OSU that isn't legit or legal. They're somehow out recruiting, by a serious margin, teams that have won championships more recently, have nicer campuses, and are just as likely to put these kids in the NFL while only communicating with these kids via Zoom and them never stepping foot on campus. Are they saying kids don't have to go to class or ever step foot on campus like Justin Fields? Cashapp recruiting?
October 30th, 2020 at 12:29 AM ^
The coaches at osu treat recruiting likes it’s the most important aspect of their job. Their coaches are relentless in recruiting and it doesn’t exactly hurt that out of the three Heisman finalist, two of them were buckeyes and the third graduated from osu. Not to mention the nfl draft when the first three picks were all osu alumni and they’ve had the first defensive player drafted four out of five years and the defensive rookie of the year three of the last four seasons as well. They win the conference almost every year, compete for the playoffs, and have won eight straight against us, but yeah it’s probably online classes and bags of cash that get the recruits to pick them over us.
October 29th, 2020 at 8:24 AM ^
I have come to believe strongly in the teleological argument that the universe was created for the sole purpose of making Michigan fans miserable. There's just too many things that continue to happen for it to just be coincidence.
October 29th, 2020 at 8:54 AM ^
It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition and it lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area we call The BPONE Zone.
October 29th, 2020 at 8:57 AM ^
Anyone who remembers pre-2005 UM football knows this is not true... we have historically been the better program over almost all our time - even in the early part of this century.
Theologically, I feel this is more of someone-sold-their-soul or other form of clandestine dark activity that allowed the confluence of their "golden age" and frequent falling-backward-into-incredible-fortune (and getting away with shady and unethical behavior) during the same period that we cratered our own program and are in a prolonged rebuilding period.
The universe/fate/karma/whatever will right itself eventually... but we are in the endurement phase still (possibly the last of it - I hope).
October 29th, 2020 at 9:00 AM ^
I'm beginning to question if my pre-2005 memories are not just programmed into my psyche to give me the impression that things could be better, making it that much more painful.
October 29th, 2020 at 10:43 AM ^
This is the other place!
October 29th, 2020 at 1:05 PM ^
LOL if that thought allows you to sleep at night
October 29th, 2020 at 2:32 PM ^
The funniest part of this entire exchange is that you think it's serious.
October 29th, 2020 at 8:24 AM ^
Despite the fact that your post generally sucks ass with bad news, I upvoted it because of the fair warning to the additional suckiness on the horizon that it implies. Please don't dispute acknowledgement of this simple fact as approval of your bad news posting...
October 29th, 2020 at 11:08 AM ^
Good news: I gave you an upvote for your honesty.
October 29th, 2020 at 8:26 AM ^
oh they suck alright...... just not the same way TX sucks.
ok, cool. hook'em
October 29th, 2020 at 8:27 AM ^
eh, he looks like a dope, so there's that at least
October 29th, 2020 at 8:27 AM ^
Figures, this NIL needs to go through ASAP so Michigan can stark dusting off the old money cannon
October 29th, 2020 at 10:12 AM ^
Lol at thinking money is going to fix. Michigan already pays players. OSU dominates recruiting because they win and they focus on it. They have a staff of elite recruiters first and foremost. Zordich is a great coach and a trash recruiter, Brown is a great coach and a pretty bad recruiter, etc.
But really at the end of the day OSU gets the best because they win. OSU will be able to offer any money amount Michigan can and they will still have competing for the playoffs as a better argument.
October 29th, 2020 at 8:34 AM ^
I hope they do get him.
October 29th, 2020 at 8:37 AM ^
The other thread somehow undersold it. OSU is now trending/buzzing for:
- QB Quinn Ewers (#2 composite)
- CB Domani Jackson (#3 composite)
- CB Will Johnson (#7 composite) no crystal balls yet thankfully, but he did put OSU Football in his Instagram bio
- WR Caleb Burton (#10 composite)
- OT Zach Rice (#29 composite) just the bio update
- S Xavier Nwankpa (#110 composite) lots of twitter smoke here
I do think there is some level of trolling here, but OSU has at least put themselves in great position for all of the above. I think the Burton, Ewers, and Nwankpa noise is the most legit.
On the other hand, I do still think Michigan is recruiting 2022 very well. Not at the same level, but at an elevated level for us. I think the turmoil at Texas is pushing 4* S/CB Isaac Thompson towards us. And if OSU gets Ewers, that eliminates our main competitor for 4* QB Maalik Murphy, whom Rivals has compared to Cam Newton.
October 29th, 2020 at 8:43 AM ^
That’s disappointing they didn’t compare him to Milton
October 29th, 2020 at 8:38 AM ^
Shea Patterson was the #1 QB in his class too
October 29th, 2020 at 8:42 AM ^
According to Golf Digest.
October 29th, 2020 at 9:33 AM ^
This, right here, is a very underrated comment.
October 29th, 2020 at 8:46 AM ^
What i've read is that the current OSU 2022 commits are saying there is something huge happening for the 2022 class. I think yesterday, Domani Jackson started messing with people on twitter and the recruiting experts ran with it (presumably to throw a crystal ball in there in case it was legit). Now it seems that big news will be Ewers, not Jackson.
I predict that all the smoke will turn out to be a Ewers/Burton double commitment. Jackson and Johnson are a long ways from making their decision.
OSU certainly looks to be loading up at QB. While it's scary to think, there is still only one QB position on the field. If they land Ewers, i'd expect one or two of McCord, Miller, Stroud or Ewers to finish their career elsewhere. It would be mighty ironic if they have a Georgia type of dilemma. If McCord turns out to be a Jake Fromm equivalent and Ewers gets sick of sitting behind a presumptive starter for 2-3 years and bolts.
October 29th, 2020 at 8:47 AM ^
So this means that, assuming no transfers (which is probably a bad assumption) that they will have a 5 star QB as their 3rd string in 2022-2023 (Stroud in 2020 and McCord in 2021 are 5⭐️).
I guess that is nice for the coaches albeit overkill - but these guys can play 2-3 year starters in virtually every program in the country putting out tape for the NFL and yet two of them will ride the bench.
I don’t get it.
October 29th, 2020 at 9:15 AM ^
Ryan Day was just involved with three quarterbacks that have and will be drafted in the first round. Haskins and Burrow last year. Fields this year. Yes, I know you will argue that Burrow was drafted from LSU. However, he spent a lot of his college career being trained by Ohio State coaches. Simply to answer your "I don't get it" , Success breeds success. The best quarterbacks want to come and be groomed to go to the NFL. You cant argue with the success that we have had. Even if they have to wait a year or two. They know that they will still get drafted. If you were a highly ranked QB, who would you pick?? Ryan Day, a true QB guru, or your boy Jimmy??? Iknow which way I would go, and it aint close. Have a good day!
October 29th, 2020 at 9:19 AM ^
Joe Burrow did not go to the league as top QB due to Ryan Day. Now get thee to the dumpster you call 11 warriors.
October 29th, 2020 at 9:25 AM ^
Umm... Joe Burrow spent one year with Ryan Day (who started coaching at OSU in 2017). So a total of 4 years with other coaches, and one year with Day. In 2018, Burrow threw 16 TDs to 5 Int, right after his first year under Day's tutelage. He then had a Heisman season after year two with Joe Brady. Haskins has turned out to be a huge bust in the NFL. Fields could easily be the type of player anyone would have success with (he's that talented) - and we don't even know how he will do in the NFL.
On the flipside, Harbaugh has groomed more NFL success at QB than Day (though recency bias does not help). Luck (1st overall pick, pro bowl), Kaepernick (probowl, superbowl), and Alex Smith (probowl) all largely success stories of Harbaugh (in Smith's case, Harbaugh and Meyer).
Let's wait a minute before annointing Day some type of QB deity.
October 29th, 2020 at 9:37 AM ^
I hope Fields does well in the league but here is my prediction (and I was right about Haskins while he was killing Michigan - so was bronxblue - that he'd be a bust).
Justin Fields will be a bust in the league as well. This is not homerism but its just how I see based on his mechanics, release, quality of WRs he's throwing to against inferior coverage at OSU etc etc. I believed Shea would be a bust too FYI.
October 29th, 2020 at 10:10 AM ^
I think it's really hard to truly evaluate the NFL prospects of players from schools like OSU or Alabama because their talent gap is so much larger than any other school. With all the success both programs have had for the past two decades, neither have produced a competent NFL QB in that time frame. Obviously the jury is still out on Tua and Fields but the history is not favorable.
Bama:
2018-19 - Tua (1st round - we'll see soon)
2016-2017 - Jalen Hurts (2nd round - not enough info)
2015 - Jake Coker (Undrafted)
2014 - Blake Sims (Undrafted)
2011-2013 - AJ McCarron (5th round pick)
2009-2010 - Greg McElroy (7th round pick)
OSU:
2018 - Haskins (1st round - bust)
2014-2017 - Barrett (Undrafted)
2015 - Cardale Jones (4th Round - Bust)
2012-2013 - Braxton Miller (3rd round - Bust)
2009-10 - Terrelle Pryor (3rd round - Bust)
Not a single competent NFL QB in the past 10 years, despite all their success. Not sure that is all that convincing for a QB with NFL aspirations...
October 29th, 2020 at 1:50 PM ^
I could honestly care less about the NFL. They are all a bunch of overpaid premadonnas anyway. As long as they come to OSU and win I'm good. I do enjoy watching successful Buckeyes in the league, but its not the be all end all for me. The point is that the OSU staff got them prepared to be drafted and into the league. What they do with the opportunity is up to each individual. Sure there are super stars from major college programs all over the league. But look at all the little no name players that make a roster because they are hungrier than the big dogs that have been coddled for their entire career.
October 29th, 2020 at 10:02 AM ^
Ryan Day played QB in college. He was a QB coach in the NFL. He is bringing in talent at the position now at OSU. He took Haskins from being in a QB battle in camp leading right up until the season to a guy that broke almost every single season passing record at OSU and in the conference. He knows you don't fit a QB into your system, you move your system to fit the QB. This is smart, like not in a "I know football" kind of way, but in a common sense kind of way.
Haskins is in a very unfortunate situation in the NFL. He was drafted to a team with probably the worst O-Line in the league, and not a playmaker to be found at any skill position. Their biggest playmaker was the 3rd best WR on the OSU depth chart. This happens regularly in the NFL, guys get drafted to the wrong team, it doesn't end well. But....
Haskins is cashing that first round paycheck. He's made more money in his first couple years than any 20 posters on this message board combined. Regardless of where his future takes him, he will appreciate what Day (and Meyer for that matter) did for him.
Enter Justin Fields. People laughed at OSU for bringing in a Georgia backup QB. He saw something in Fields. So what does he do? Doesn't make Fields fit the offense that was run with Haskins that set records. He moves the offense to fit Fields, more records get broken. Fields will also appreciate everything Day has done for him as he is cashing that first round check regardless of where his NFL career takes him.
So yeah, it's an easy sell for OSU. Come here, we cater the offense to your style of play, get drafted and cash paychecks. Harbaugh can take credit for Luck (in college), but saying Kaep and Smith are products of his grooming, that's a reach. Kaep was already a stud coming out of Nevada, had a couple of decent seasons (not spectacular) and we know where that went. So if you want to dig back to 2011-2013 to talk about how Harbaugh is some QB guru, be my guest. But so far at Michigan all he has done is have a carousel of QB's that underperform on their expectations. Maybe Milton breaks that mold, but is that more of a credit to Harbaugh or Gattis?
Give me the guy that is performing now any day over the guy that we have to dig back to times when Blackberry phones were still prevalent to support an argument. Sorry for the long post. Felt frisky this morning.
October 29th, 2020 at 10:21 AM ^
I'm only going by facts. Day coached Burrow for 1/5 years of his college career. So I guess he can take credit for 1/5 of his success...Sure. What other QB's has Day turned into successful NFL QB's? Haskins is a bust thus far. Fields hasn't played a snap in the NFL yet. Do you not see the irony in how much OSU fan's ridicule people for calling Harbaugh a QB whisperer (when he had a legitimately good run at grooming NFL quality QB's) but get their panties all wet when Ryan Day put one NFL bust in the league and is trying to take credit for a QB that barely even played for Day? I'll admit the hype around Harbaugh was conflated as soon as OSU fans admit that all this hype around Day might also be premature.
What you are essentially doing is discounting what Harbaugh actually did and reaching for straws for what Ryan Day has done. Due credit that Day has put together a great first two years at OSU but to say putting NFL caliber QB's in the league is unfounded.
Both Michigan and OSU have not had very much success producing NFL quarterbacks recently. If I'm Ewers, I would be looking at Oklahoma or Clemson, two schools that have actually produced successful QB's in the NFL.
October 29th, 2020 at 10:29 AM ^
Harbaugh "groomed" exactly 1 QB to be a NFL QB while in college. So he takes credit for Andrew Luck and not the Colts, but then he also takes credith for Kaep and Smith but not Nevada and Utah respectively? Doesn't make sense. Also, it was almost a decade ago. How many QB's has Harbaugh groomed since 2012?
The point is OSU getting the kids in a position to go to the NFL and make money. That's all that matters to a kid. From there it's up to them as to where their NFL career goes.
I will agree with your last point. If I'm a high end QB, I'd have Clemson as my 1st choice. So when a QB commits there, I'm not surprised. And I can't say I blame them.
October 29th, 2020 at 10:35 AM ^
Here's my ultimate point. You can't argue that Day is a NFL QB whisperer and say Harbaugh isn't. Both sides of the argument need to make some mental gymnastics to make it work. Harbaugh hasn't had any success recently. Day hasn't actually developed any successful NFL QB's yet and the one connection he has to one (Burrow) is attributed much more to Joe Brady.
The crux of the argument is not that Michigan is a better place for an NFL aspiring QB to go to than OSU. It's that neither is that good of a place based on the data we have. So it is confusing that Ewers would be interested in either Michigan or OSU over the likes of Clemson and Oklahoma.
October 29th, 2020 at 10:49 AM ^
I'm not saying Day is a QB whisperer. That's not my point. My point is to drive home that these kids are lining up because of #1, what OSU is doing annually from a winning perspective, and #2 that the head coach is a former NFL QB coach. Those two things combined have a strong appeal for a QB wanting to get to the NFL.
But I'd still go to Clemson if I were the #1 QB in the country. If they didn't want me, I'd consider Oklahoma, Ok St, or somewhere most likely in the Big 12. Defense is non-existent outside of TCU (well at least up until the last couple of years). You can showcase your talent without much of a fight from opposing defenses.
October 29th, 2020 at 10:56 AM ^
Seems like we are having congruent arguments. Let's see how things play out.
October 29th, 2020 at 11:04 AM ^
Totally. We are skirting the same basic idea. And we are doing it all without hindsight. In ten years maybe someone will dig this conversation up. Then we can make more direct and accurate statements.
October 29th, 2020 at 10:34 AM ^
Give Day time my friend and the results will speak for themselves. Like another poster said before, Haskins cant help the team he was drafted to. You put Tom Brady on the Washington football team and he would get killed game #1.....career over. If he gets another chance to sit behind a vet on another team you may be surprised in a few years. However he has to change some things behind the scenes and prepare and practice like a pro.
October 29th, 2020 at 10:53 AM ^
This is exactly my point. Give Day time before both sides (UM fans start to fear him like Urban Meyer and OSU fans think he's the next Woody Hayes). He's had one very successful year on the backs of the most talented OSU team ever assembled (most of which were developed by Urban Meyer and his staff). Jury is still out on Day as to whether or not he can translate recruiting to championships and NFL players. I'm not saying he wont get there but anyone suggesting he is such a great coach now are as premature as many here who thought Harbaugh would be the savior of Michigan football. I'd like to see how this great 2020 class Day put together turns out (his first true recruiting class). All he's proven so far is to be a great recruiter and offensive coordinator. Plenty of examples of great coordinators turning into shit head coaches.
October 29th, 2020 at 10:24 AM ^
Who the hell laughed at OSU for getting Georgia's backup QB? Everyone wanted him. Hell there were Georgia fans arguing to dump their future NFL QB so they could keep him
October 29th, 2020 at 10:30 AM ^
A lot of people, including most Georgia fans. That is until Fromm had last year happen.
October 29th, 2020 at 10:30 AM ^
Yeah, it's not like Fields was a diamond in the rough...He was the #2 QB in the nation behind Lawrence.
October 29th, 2020 at 10:33 AM ^
He saw something in Fields
Dude, get your head out of your ass. Fields is like the 2nd highest rated dual threat QB of all time
October 29th, 2020 at 10:39 AM ^
"Ryan Day played QB in college. He was a QB coach in the NFL. He is bringing in talent at the position now at OSU.
Jim Harbaugh played QB in the NFL. He was a head coach in the NFL. He is bringing in talent at the position now at Michigan.
Resume speaks differently.
October 29th, 2020 at 10:53 AM ^
The difference is what they do with the talent when they get there. Day has his 2nd QB about to go to the NFL in his short time in Columbus. Harbaugh has managed to this point to make a former 5 star look like a scout team QB at times.
FYI, he is finally doing what he should have done long ago...brought in Gattis (jury is still out on how this pans out) to revamp the offensive identity of the team to bring it into the modern era.
October 29th, 2020 at 10:03 AM ^
Believe me when I say that as good as Haskins was at OSU he could have used another year in college. Just look at the success Burrow is having by being trained for multiple years. What Haskins has or hasn't done in the league is up to him. But you cant argue that Day didn't help him get there.FYI, this is a what have you done for me lately business and he did nothing with Patterson a former #1 5* QB. Say what you will but our machine will continue to roll and there is nothing you can do about it. The only thing that will stop the pain is a covid outbreak.
October 29th, 2020 at 10:15 AM ^
Ohio smells like Hot Dog Water.
October 29th, 2020 at 10:24 AM ^
mmmmmmmm, you said hot dog.....LOL
October 29th, 2020 at 10:18 AM ^
Haskins could have probably used 2 more years in college. But he is cashing that first round check. That's the goal, win in college, get paid. It's really that simple. If you tell me when I'm 18 that you can go be on XYZ team, win conference championships and compete for national championships, then get drafted high and be paid millions of dollars, I'm in. I'm in regardless of what they tell me my NFL career will look like. One year in the league with a first round paycheck offsets 30-40 years of grinding through a regular job until you can retire.
October 29th, 2020 at 10:21 AM ^
totally agree