OT: Dwayne Haskins experiment over
The Washington Football Team has announced that Dwayne Haskins will be benched in place of Kyle Allen.
As if it couldn't get worse for Haskins, the Washington Football Team announced former one legged QB Alex Smith with be promoted to the #2 spot - backing up Allen.
From starting QB to 3rd stringer over night.
But, dude got paid. He's got that going for him.
October 7th, 2020 at 11:50 AM ^
Gardner's Minshew.
October 7th, 2020 at 10:22 AM ^
Major props to Alex Smith. Remarkable recovery. I would not pick an OSU QB until one can prove they can hack it. Lawrence definitely #1 unless something weird happens this season.
October 7th, 2020 at 10:23 AM ^
Very true, money typically helps wipe all the tears. Also, hopefully Alex Smith can make his complete miraculous comeback, dudes usually don't overcome the injury he has
October 7th, 2020 at 10:23 AM ^
I haven’t seen enough of Haskins but he was pretty talented at OSU (legitimately making excellent throws and good decisions. Not like Braxton Miller or JT Barrett working well in a system). I wonder if this is the case of him struggling to transition to the NFL or just being in a terrible team behind an awful oline. Rivera may have also pulled him because he has played with Kyle Allen before in Carolina and with Haskins struggling, he went with the comfortable alternative.
October 7th, 2020 at 10:39 AM ^
His mechanics are a disaster. It's as if OSU didn't even bother to teach them. He throws off his back foot constantly, he has terrible weight distribution over the pivot point, his balance is poor, his arm slot is too low, he turns his shoulders too early, etc. All of this leads to wild variance in his accuracy and velocity. The dude just sucks.
I guess Washington was hoping he could fix these problems, but clearly he hasn't.
October 7th, 2020 at 10:46 AM ^
I mean if we are talking about NFL to college equivalency, OSU essentially has a Chiefs level supporting cast. If you took Haskins and put him on Rutgers, I doubt he's even considered in the draft. When you don't have to worry about a pass rush and all your receivers outrun everyone on the defense, the job gets exponentially easier.
October 7th, 2020 at 9:03 PM ^
I mean.... really? I try not to stump for OSU here given this is a Michigan blog... but really?
"It's as if OSU didn't even bother to teach them."
Michigan guy throwing stones at OSU over QB play... for the last twenty years?
October 7th, 2020 at 10:44 AM ^
Idk, I think he is a system QB to an extent, which isn't necessarily a bad thing in itself. The bigger issue with him, and any OSU QB, is that they're far more talented as a team than only about 2-3 others in all of CFB. When you out-talent everyone else by that much it's near impossible to tell how good a QB actually is, especially in the NFL where in Haskins' case his team is actually less talented than many other teams.
October 7th, 2020 at 8:54 PM ^
This is the reason I peruse the MGo boards on occasion... the sole bit of logic in an otherwise echochamber of.. non logic. Not saying Haskins will be great or a bust, but the situation he was drafted into is inarguably.. not great.
He'll probably get traded for peanuts.. hopefully to a team where he can learn and grow on the bench for a couple seasons.
October 7th, 2020 at 2:14 PM ^
There are a ton of plays that Haskins made in college in which the replay doesn't show a defender on the same screen as the receiver. He was capable of making some good throws, but wasn't forced to hit NFL windows all that often because his receivers were just better athletes than those trying to cover him. The same goes for Fields. There is a lot of talent there, but the gaudy stats are inflated by the supporting cast.
October 7th, 2020 at 10:25 AM ^
Two thoughts come to my mind, first off good for Alex Smith considering what he has gone through. Also, could one of these OSU quarterbacks flame out when they play us instead of waiting to get to the NFL to do it? Is that too much to ask?
October 7th, 2020 at 10:26 AM ^
If I were an elite high school QB, I wouldn't even consider OSU. No top 25 program is worse at QB development.
October 7th, 2020 at 11:01 AM ^
Ummm...that might be a bit hyperbolic. Something about glass houses and all, unless you want to reference players that haven’t suited up in college in a decade.
October 7th, 2020 at 11:17 AM ^
To his credit, he's not saying he'd consider Michigan either.
October 7th, 2020 at 11:31 AM ^
I kind of agree Griese but there’s a chance Rudock is in the league longer than any recent osu QB.
October 7th, 2020 at 10:31 AM ^
Haskins looked great in college but how many difficult, tight window, throws did he have to make? How was he at going through progressions? OSU has more talent than every team they play. Not difficult to look like an All-Pro throwing to guys who are wide open by literal yards on every play. I was fairly confident Haskins was going to be a bust. I have a similar feeling about Fields.
October 7th, 2020 at 11:47 AM ^
I do remember him coming in (2017?) when JT Barret got hurt and of course on 3rd and long through a perfect pass on the hash, I believe our safety was hurt on the play as well. Right then I knew that game was over, every dang time!
October 7th, 2020 at 3:51 PM ^
He's no Joe Burrow.... that's for sure
October 8th, 2020 at 9:39 AM ^
Shea Patterson had a similar cast of pass protection and NFL receivers and look what he did with it.
I kind of thought this was settled from the outset, though. Everyone knew the book on Haskins, which is that he's not a quarterback; he's two quarterbacks. Give him all day to throw and he's a bona fide NFL HoF slinger. He can make the reads, make the throws, and get the ball out on time. Ask him to run or get pressure in his face and he's Glass Joe. His mechanics break down, his accuracy plummets, and he'll obligingly curl up into fetal position if he crosses the line of scrimmage. OSU got the most out of him by hiring a Don Brown disciple and thus kept him clean (it also helped that Indiana exposed our DTs and one of their thugs jumped on top of Winovich). So Michigan got the world-beater.
But there's more parity in the NFL, and all the defenders you face are monsters. It was a given that the NFL was gonna get the bad Haskins from the start.
He was excellent at OSU, but I wouldn't have even signed him as an undrafted free agent. He really only has one weakness, if not for that he'd be an elite QB, but it's a whopper of a weakness. The NFL doesn't have any use for a guy who crumbles under pressure.
October 7th, 2020 at 10:32 AM ^
He probably had better receivers at OSU
October 7th, 2020 at 10:41 AM ^
He has Terry McLaurin
October 7th, 2020 at 11:01 AM ^
...who played with him at OSU
October 7th, 2020 at 10:33 AM ^
Kyle Allen? Looks like Washington has a QB room problem. I can't imagine this will go much better than Dwayne, though I guess the NFCE is so bad you can squint and say 'hey if this guy can get me to 8-8, we might win the division'
October 7th, 2020 at 10:39 AM ^
Another OSU QB burning out in the league. I wonder where this stacks up with their other fine traditions.
Not that I'm rooting for the guy to be unemployed and without a means to support himself, but he's really done nothing (on the field) to impress over the last year or so. Couple that with having a brand new head coach who didn't draft you and who owes you nothing at the end of the day, and that adds up to where you are now. Rivera will probably go after his own QB in the draft this Fall and then set Haskins adrift.
He'll be talented enough to where someone will take a flier on him to be their #3 guy or possibly a backup, but I'm not sure he's got any NFL starts left in his career.
October 7th, 2020 at 11:49 AM ^
I wouldn’t worry about him not being able to support himself. His rookie contract will probably pay him more in guaranteed money than most of the people on this board will earn in 25 years.
October 7th, 2020 at 12:44 PM ^
We could now be looking at 2 of the biggest first round draft busts at QB in a long time in Haskins and Rosen. Very possible that you could throw Darnold in that mix too.
Rosen has gone to two teams who immediately took a QB first the seasons after he was there.
Washington looks like they will draft a QB just two years after drafting Haskins (unless Kyle Allen has a surprising, Case Keenum 2017 type season)
The Jets if they end up with the #1 overall pick, I have a hard time thinking they'd pass on Lawrence to give Darnold another year.
October 7th, 2020 at 1:14 PM ^
I've always wondered how Rosen would be in the NFL if he'd actually gone to a good team. Arizona is better now, but the offensive line that was there when Rosen was starting for them was ATROCIOUS. Probably one of the worst OLs the league has seen in some time, so very few QBs could've operated successfully behind that line, if any. He lost the coach who'd drafted him right after his rookie season, and then Kliff Kingsbury came right in and made it evident Rosen wasn't the kind of QB he wanted. Then getting traded to Miami.....not too many places that are worse to go to. Miami was (still is?) a team just completely devoid of talent.
Don't get me wrong, Rosen still didn't do much in the opportunities he was given. He needed to show something, but he was also never put in a proper position to succeed. Last I checked I think he's with Tampa's practice squad. If he's got anything left in the tank, that would be a good place to find out that he does. He can sit behind and learn from the GOAT for a few years and work his way up the depth chart. Tampa's backup QB right now is Blaine Gabbart, so there is no one currently on that roster who is Brady's clear successor.
October 7th, 2020 at 3:11 PM ^
If coming out after this season, I'd highly recommend that Lawrence change his last name to Manning.
1. Jets have the first pick in 1997 draft (think Parcells making pick) and Peyton says "no" and heads back to TN. Loses the Heisman to #2!
2. Eli is #1 in 2004 by San Diego, says "no way" and gets traded to NYG.
Looking at the FU organizations that will be in line for his services, I'd stay at Clemson another year.
October 7th, 2020 at 12:47 PM ^
lol he's had 11 starts under 3 different head coaches only 1/4 of the way through his second year. i wouldn't close the book just yet.
October 7th, 2020 at 1:32 PM ^
Have you watched Haskins play in the NFL? He's ass, my dude. No scheme or coaching change is saving him
October 7th, 2020 at 2:31 PM ^
maybe! maybe not! half of all 1st round qbs bust. wouldn't be a surprise if haskins busts. it would be a surprise if we could know this after 11 tumultuous starts for the 1c worst franchise in the league.
October 7th, 2020 at 4:31 PM ^
I agree with your premise. But how often does a first round QB get a second chance with a new team after playing horribly with the team that drafted him? I can’t think of any. And I also can’t think of any teams in need of a QB that would pick up Haskins instead of drafting their own. So whether or not he could get better he’s unlikely to get another shot on different team.
October 7th, 2020 at 5:29 PM ^
brett favre, alex smith, ryan tannehill, drew brees (technically the 1st pick of the second round, but 32 overall would be a 1st rounder today), teddy bridgewater, jay cutler, kerry collins, steve young, vinny testaverde.
i mean, i could keep going. that's off the top of my head. there's been a lot of first round qbs who sucked for dysfunctional organizations and got better with experience and a change of scenery. it's not very likely, because surly there have been many more who just busted out. but it's not an impossible thing to have happened.
again, haskins has 11 starts in 1.25 years under 3 different regimes already!
October 7th, 2020 at 10:40 AM ^
This makes me LOL..... I said Haskins would have as much NFL success as all the other QB's out of THE ohio state penitentiary, i got a bunch of shit from a couple asshats "oh, because he's black?"
No, because he's not an NFL quality QB....
October 7th, 2020 at 10:42 AM ^
It's almost like OSU QBs aren't actually that good, it's just that having a WR core of all 5 stars and a QB friendly offense makes their life really easy.
Remind around this time next year when the Justin Fields experiment fails as well
October 7th, 2020 at 12:47 PM ^
I'm going to hold back from torching OSU QBs until we can win a few games against them - hell, I'll settle for just one win. They might suck in the NFL but sure know how to light up UM and that's all that matters to me. Newsflash: maybe, just maybe, CF and the NFL are different games - OSU sure has it figured out this century
October 7th, 2020 at 1:33 PM ^
The two things aren't mutually exclusive
October 7th, 2020 at 10:44 AM ^
Great news for Alex Smith. What a great comeback story. I never thought he would play again.
October 7th, 2020 at 10:55 AM ^
Nothing to gloat about. The UofM defense made him look like the best QB in the country. Who cares what he does in the NFL. I'd rather UofM beat OSU and then their QB have a great NFL career than the other way around.
October 7th, 2020 at 11:00 AM ^
After he dissected us, I thought he would actually see some success in the league... not a pro bowler but stick as a starter somewhere. Oh well.
October 7th, 2020 at 11:10 AM ^
Thanks a lot for beating Michigan twice Dwayne then playing like ass in the NFL.
/s
October 7th, 2020 at 6:07 PM ^
You could probably say the same about a few more OSU QBs over the years. It's not an accident when it keeps happening year after year
October 7th, 2020 at 11:16 AM ^
Its shocking that his performance disappoints because he broke all time passing records in the Big right?
October 7th, 2020 at 11:18 AM ^
Yeah. Just checked. He eclipsed 4000 yrds and 50 tds.
October 7th, 2020 at 11:21 AM ^
Continues the trend of OSU QB's + Buckeyes drafted in the 1st round by the Lions (minus Spielman) stinking in the NFL. I think I am just salty that Decker and Okudah are average to below average. Heard that Okudah is dead last in PFF rankings. I know he is a rookie but the number 3 pick being dead last. I expected a little better.
October 7th, 2020 at 11:22 AM ^
I went to the Lions Redskins game last year (they were corporate seats that unsurprisingly no one else wanted), and he missed a ton of throws to wide open guys. I haven't watched him much this season, but if he hasn't improved then I can see why he's riding the bench.
October 7th, 2020 at 11:27 AM ^
Given his mechanics issues this has to impact the stock of one and done talent. I hope for this anyway.
October 7th, 2020 at 11:24 AM ^
Throwing crossing routes to pad numbers, makes not a QB.
Called this two years ago, along with Bronxblue I think.
OSU continues to churn system QBs.
October 7th, 2020 at 11:43 AM ^
I would give my right nard to churn out system QBs into the NFL if it mean constant playoff appearances and conference championships, though.
October 7th, 2020 at 12:10 PM ^
Helluva system