WITH SPOILERS: Avengers Endgame Discussion Thread
Caught it after work yesterday at 6:30 (I am loving that advanced screenings are during the day Thursday now instead of at midnight). Anyway — thoughts? Personally, I felt the storyline was quite contrived and that Infinity War was much more creative in plot. Endgame was all “time to save the day!” Instead of really going deep into what happened post- infinity war. Still great — just a little weak for me.
April 26th, 2019 at 12:25 PM ^
What is Avengers Endgame?
April 26th, 2019 at 12:27 PM ^
The soon-to-be highest grossing film of all time
April 26th, 2019 at 12:29 PM ^
This news causes me to weep.
April 26th, 2019 at 12:40 PM ^
There always has to be someone who is too smart to watch superhero movies. Congratulations on being that guy.
April 26th, 2019 at 12:45 PM ^
Maybe some people just don't like superhero movies. I don't like comic books, but I don't judge people who do.
April 26th, 2019 at 12:45 PM ^
Superhero movies are fine. But they're not go back and see it 20 times in the theater great.
Yes they are
Username checks out.
im actually quite dumb and super hero movies arent my cup of tea
April 26th, 2019 at 12:32 PM ^
Until the "last" Star Wars movie comes out......
April 26th, 2019 at 12:56 PM ^
Rise of the Skywalker has approximately a zero percent chance of outgrossing EndGame. It'll probably gross in the 1.4 - 1.9 billion range. EndGame is gonna gross somewhere between 2.1 to 2.8 billion.
I agree to your projections but will be curious to see the next big cinematic event that takes the top spot if it isn't Star Wars.
Endgame might not even be it. Avatar is so far ahead of everything else that it's going to take a special box office run for Endgame to pass it (which is now a possibility with all the numbers we've seen over the past couple of days). If Endgame passes Avatar, there is no way we can possibly project what will pass Endgame in the future. No one could have predicted Avatar's success or the fact that there could have been a 22 movie franchise culminating over the course of 11 years while maintaining its quality.
You can thank last Jedi and Solo for killing the Star Wars fan base. For all disney has done with marvel they shat the bed with Star Wars.
...or maybe the three god awful prequels.... Last Jedi was decent and Solo was fun.
April 26th, 2019 at 12:57 PM ^
or Titanic 2.
April 27th, 2019 at 11:22 AM ^
It won’t touch Force Awakens for current or Gone With the Wind when you adjust for inflation.
April 26th, 2019 at 12:37 PM ^
Cut the first and last half hour and it would be a lot better.
I loved the first half hour! Set the stage for the whole movie by getting rid of the plotline everyone assumed was about to take place.
I mean, we kind of ended up with exactly that plot line in the end? Climactic fight with Thanos, Infinity Stones used to bring back the dusted people... Just took longer to get there. Don’t get me wrong, I liked the lingering in apocalypse parts of the movie, but it wasn’t that effective of a head fake when we all knew you couldn’t have the climax of a 3 hour movie right after the title card.
April 26th, 2019 at 12:38 PM ^
DC is way more interesting than Marvel in my personal opinion. I know im in the minority. The constant corny jokes and the lack of character development are why I don’t like most Marvel movies. No Marvel movie will ever be close to as good as any in the Dark Knight Trilogy. Downvote all you want, marvel superheroes are overrated and the insane fascination with superhero movies needs to be scaled way back. Whatever happened to movies like........... The Departed, Saving Private Ryan and the Shawshank Redemption. The fact that this movie will break records makes me sad. Movies are in a bad downward spiral right now.
April 26th, 2019 at 12:54 PM ^
Obviously the three movies you mentioned are some of the greatest films of all time and Marvel will never touch them. Also, I don't think you can say "DC" and really mean "The Dark Knight Trilogy" because -- yes -- that trilogy was on par with the great dramas you mentioned. The rest of DC isn't at all. I highly recommend Spider Man: Into the Spider Verse if you ever want to try something different. It's animated, but don't let that throw you off. It was phenomenal.
Lack of character development?! One could argue that no movie franchise has ever had more character development. Did you not have a firm understanding of Tony's Stark's inner conflict (and progression) after 3 Iron Mans, Civil War, and 4 Avengers movies? Even secondary and tertiary Avengers characters have been developed in their own movies and have often been intertwined with other parts of the MCU.
Yeah, I have no idea how you can walk away from Marvel movies and complain about character development. This was the 22nd and final movie in a series that took 11 years to tell the full storyline. If you didn’t get the character development by now, then your issue with Marvel movies clearly isn’t character development, you just like Batman more than Iron Man or Hulk or Spider-Man
You tell 'em, markp. Glad you made those points.
Deadpool 2> any MCU movie.
Deadpool 2 sucked
Everybody remembers The Dark Knight and forgets that the other two entries in that series were just good, not great. And the DC films have largely sucked since then, though I enjoyed Wonder Woman and I hear Shazam is good.
Movies are bad these days because the big production houses are pressured to make films that will make tons of $ all over the world and that pressure is passed on from executives to the filmmakers, stifling creative freedom and opportunities for risk taking. So, talented filmmakers are choosing to enter the streaming "television" game instead. Way more creative freedom with Netflix, Showtime, HBO, etc.
If you want to make a movie adaptation of a beloved story, musical, etc. for Disney, you're gonna have a roomful of executives telling you what does and doesn't work, and each decision will get focus grouped to death. That's how you end up with Disney's versions of "Into the Woods," "Nutcracker & the Four Realms," etc. total crap that offends no one...
April 26th, 2019 at 12:44 PM ^
i have taken the various children to a bunch of these the last few years. i will admit that some of them are actually reasonably entertaining, plus its fun to be with the kids. the one review i read said that the 3 hour epic 'stuck the landing' very well, meaning they ended the series on a very good note.
they said there are parts in the middle that drag a little but overall they gave it an excellent rating.
will any of you go/see/rent when its out?
I'll take little Hatter to see it, but otherwise 1 Corinthians 13:11.
mrs XM and i are like chicom censors as it relates to the kids, heck, we don't even have TV this time of year. i have indulged them in this stuff though and they seem to handle it very well. not all the kids get to see them, as all are not age appropriate enough to make us comfortable. mrs XM is unparalleled in her investigative skills and mama bear instincts....
I'm the same way with visual media, but I've always let the kids read whatever they wanted. Absolutely no censorship for the written word in my house.
Also +1 for chicom. People should still use that.
if you want to have silence in our house put a box of books in the middle of the room. the kids will descended upon it and will simply read in silence. we have done a little censoring in the reading though, for instance directing them to the classics as opposed to cheesy romance novels. interestingly they like a lot of history stuff, science stuff.
Awesome reference!
It's just strange to me that adults, grown ass men, still act like children now. They even invented a word, "adulting", to describe behavior that doesn't involve playing video games and masturbating to cartoon porn.
I like a good comic book movie, especially the ones for adults (Deadpool is funny). But I liked it better when they were rare, and Hollywood still made and released actual R rated movies for adults to enjoy.
When Batman came out in 1989 it was a huge event. Massive build-up for like a year. And it was great. Now we get 5 different comic movies every damn year and that's all people want to see.
Now kindly GTFO my lawn.
April 26th, 2019 at 12:45 PM ^
A lot of parts I liked, a lot of parts drove me nuts. Agreed: the story was weak and Infinity War was much better. Some things that particularly stood out:
-Apparently we need to just forget the infinity stones are powerful because people are bare-handing single stones left and right (when it took the entire Guardians team to do it). Really took me out of the movie.
-After all the work done on the Hulk-Black Widow relationship, it's Hawkeye/Ronin who does the sacrifice scene with her? He was great otherwise, just seemed like a rough writing decision.
-Captain marvel is pointless. I'm sorry, she really is. The "female empowerment line-up" was a great moment and I wish those characters would have received her screen time.
-Thor being reconfigured as a key cog in the comedy has been spectacular. It probably doesn't do much for folks looking for their fill of beefcake, but he's been wildly entertaining.
April 26th, 2019 at 12:50 PM ^
Agree on Captain Marvel. It's as if they went out of their way to make a heroine who is all-powerful without any weakness as a point (woman) instead of relying on the already amazing group of heroines they had in play already (as we saw in the "lineup" scene). And, if they ARE going to do that with Captain Marvel (make all-powerful), you can't later having her struggle to beat Thanos in hand-to-hand combat.
She could have made a flaming hole in is belly as she flew through him, just like she did to everything else!
Perhaps Thanos is also a pretty powerful. He'd spent years wrecking places even before he found the stones.
I couldn't stand the all female battle scene because they opened it with "how will the person who literally just flew through the largest space ship we have ever seen without a problem ever be able to get across a couple hundred yards of a battlefield?" Just a terrible excuse for a female empowerment scene. The fighting was awesome but the explanation was terrible
I thought the Grrrl power in Captain Marvel was a lot of fun, but the female lineup was stupid, as my wife noted to me. It was too over the top. The mrs. asked "why do all of the women have to fight alone there?!" It's really cool that Marvel has made a point to have strong female characters though.
But the Barton/Romanoff thing wasn't just pulled out of thin air. Remember the first Avengers movie when Coulson called Romanoff to tell her that "Barton's been compromised?"
Yup, they have a relationship that preceded the avengers movies. He saved her when she was on a dark path iirc so it's fitting that she saved him when things were reversed. In the first Avengers you can tell that they're close.
April 26th, 2019 at 12:56 PM ^
I demand my $18 and 3 hours back. This was the loosest retelling of Samuel Becketts Endgame I've ever seen
I thought it was a remake of Ender's Game.
April 26th, 2019 at 11:55 PM ^
Logged in to upvote.
Actually liked the movie much better than I like Beckett's Endgame though. Also, bonus points if you watch Krapp's Last Tape before you go to see this Endgame.
8 year olds, dude
Couple of sidebar things I liked:
* The argument about time travel. "That's not how it works - where did you hear that?" And then they rattle off all the time travel movies ever made (even Bill & Ted) and Ant Man mentions Die Hard.
* Captain America gets to live a regular life with Agent Carter
* Gamora's story line for GoG 3 is set up.
* Not a fan of the actor that plays Bruce Banner. Glad to see him only as CGI all movie, which was interesting.
I am excited for the linking of Thor and the Guardians, especially with the how close Ragnarok and Guardians are in tone. Guardians 3 aka Thor 4 is going to be awesome