Snake oil

Submitted by Farnn on
With the suckage in South Bend once again and the fact that Irish fans seem to finally be fed up with Weis, does anyone think there are some recruits we can snake oil away from there? Any recruits who were interested in Michigan as well? Or because of our record do we look unattractive to those types of recruits as well?

Magnus

November 23rd, 2008 at 8:07 PM ^

Seriously, in your FOURTH YEAR in a program like Notre Dame, you should not be losing to a team like Syracuse. Then again, Kirk Herbstreit made a good point a couple weeks ago. They were talking about Notre Dame and he said, "Why does everyone expect them to be good? This team hasn't won a bowl game in 15 (I think) years. They've been bad for a long time now. This is who they are. They're not a good program. I don't know why people expect them to be good every year." Anyway, recruits typically are more scared of coaching changes than they are of losing seasons. I suspect that most of the recruits will stay with Notre Dame if Weis stays. These are the ND recruits who had interest in Michigan (that I remember): Shaquelle Evans, Dan Fox, Chris Watt, Zach Martin, Nyshier Oliver.

mjv

November 24th, 2008 at 10:54 AM ^

Magnus -- I agree with your points. I think that the Herbstreit comment is crap. That is the same type of garbage that people were saying about USC before Carroll arrived. Kids can be recruited to ND. Weis has proven that beyond a doubt. They just haven't had a good coach there since Holtz was run out of town. here are the coaches since Holtz: Bob Davie (no prior head coaching experience) George O'Leary (never coached a game) Ty Willingham (run out of UW in 4 years) Weis (no prior head coaching experience) If a big time coach, Brian Kelly or RR equivalent winds up there next fall, Watch out.

Magnus

November 24th, 2008 at 11:22 AM ^

I just happened to be checking out South Carolina's recruiting rankings in recent years, and they've had some AWESOME recruits go there...and not do anything. Yet I don't see any national campaign to stir things up for South Carolina, because they haven't been good. They've consistently been mediocre. Colorado used to be good in the early '90's, but nobody cares anymore. Nebraska has been good more recently than Notre Dame, but people are starting to care less and less. For whatever reasons, they're not good programs. That's not to say that they can't be good in the next few years. But every year people are saying, "I think this is Notre Dame's year" and "This is a great program." Why isn't there the same hubbub about South Carolina, Colorado, Nebraska, etc.? Because Notre Dame has a national TV contract and ESPN is on their nuts.

WolvinLA

November 24th, 2008 at 12:05 PM ^

Notre Dame is a lot different than all of the programs you mentioned. Notre Dame has the largest fan base in the country, the only national TV contract, more national championships and heisman winners than any other program, and currently sit second behind us in total wins and winning percentage. If they win 9 games they are guaranteed a BCS bowl. It's an outstanding academic school with Gold helmets. I HATE ND as much as almost any UM fan, and I think the biggest reason for that is because they are the biggest threat to us. Other teams with have good seasons, but ND is never going away. I hope their run of futility lasts as long as possible, but recruiting backs this up: no matter how bad their season, they're still Notre Dame.

Magnus

November 24th, 2008 at 2:54 PM ^

Yes, but the point is that they're not good. They haven't been for a long time. I realize they're different than other schools, with the national TV contract, the Heisman winners, Knute Rockne, etc. There has to be a point where you say, "Okay, this program officially sucks. Yes, they have a great history, but that's what it is - history." At what point do you say "Notre Dame isn't any good" and actually mean it? I mean, Yale used to be good at football. The University of Chicago used to be good at football. We're not talking about them anymore. Now, I'm not suggesting that Notre Dame should join the Ivy League or be forgotten like the U of Chicago. But Notre Dame might reach a point (or maybe they already have) where having a good season is a pleasant surprise and not necessarily the expectation.