Manny - Essential to our Program?
Maybe I am just a little too intoxicated - but our offense in the second half too a major drop off when Manny tried to force shots.
Did he win our first game for us? Yes. Don't get me wrong. I love me some Manny. I am just saying that if he left for the NBA for whatever reason, would it kill our season next year? Well, not looking so bad based on what he has done in this game.
I know he is up and down, but Coach B is a system coach, and does Manny really fit that system? I have some doubts. I think we will be great next year regardless.
Manny is a borderline great player. He fits ANY system. If a coach's "system" doesn't accomodate the skills of great players, then it's a shitty system, imho.
He scored 11 points on 3 of 9 shooting, just fouled out, and is the main reason as to why we are going to lose this game. And you still answer that confidently? I am tired of seeing him hoist up bad shots. If Coach B could put a buzzer on him to force him not to shoot bad shots I am sure he would, but unfortunately that is not possible.
what the fuck are you smoking. he's the "main reason why we are going to lose this game." Really.
3-9 shooting, offensive fouls, what are you smoking? Literally? His back up, Anthony Wright is the only reason we were in this game! Seriously CBS had him as our player of the game, how sad!
And I will say, if we had a PG worth a damn, then maybe it would be different, but Manny did absolutely NOTHING in this game to help us win. Nothing.
so you're saying because he had one bad half, we should just write him off as garbage and not part of our future?
Yes Anthony Wright was sweet. But it was one game.
No I am not saying that at all.
I am just saying that he was not the reason we kept this game close and if for some god awful reason he went to the NBA this team would not be NIT bound next year. He is a great player, but he is not essential to us winning games in 2010. That is my point.
And on the sidebar, I wish we could have played together LIKE A TEAM in the second half, like we did in the first. And the only real reason I have is because Manny was in during the second half and not in the first. Was he cold and Coach B kept him on the bench too long? Entirely possible. But our team was much better in the first half, and the real reason I do not know.....
I think Manny got frustrated at times because of those so-called 'charges'. But he did still try to play team ball. I think DeShawn kind of faltered in the 2nd half, so Manny had to shoulder more responsibility.
If Manny wasn't here next year, we would def. be less successful. Who else will take over when the game is close? I love the rest of the team, but not one person can carry the team like Manny.
You still said some things in your previous post that were obviously out of line because I never said them in my previous post.
I agree with you. Manny is a great player. However, the team played GREAT against a 2 seed in the first half without him. It has to at least bring the thought to your mind that the team concept might work better without Manny and if we lost him our team might actually be better without him next year (especially because we don't lose any seniors and have a great freshman class).
yes the team kept it close. but you must also realize that it is not the norm. A. Wright will not be hitting 3s consistently every game. The team sustained itself without Harris, but I don't think they can repeat the performance game in and game out.
You realize it was Manny who brought us to the 2nd round in the first place, right? Seriously, don't post if you're drunk because you're coming off as a tremendous dickhead.
Re-read the first sentence of my second paragraph please and take back your post...
No, that would be Blake Griffin.
yes he fits. are you watching? he's the only player who can slash and dish. that's when 3 point shooting is most effective.
The main reason why we lost this game is because we don't yet have a semi-functional player over 6'5". Beilein deserves alot of credit for how much the team progressed this season.
March 21st, 2009 at 11:27 PM ^
Yeah, Deshawn Sims doesn't exist or he's under 6'5"
Come on...
Manny had a bad game, plain and simple. He hoisted a couple bad shots in the second half, but I have to give him credit for taking it to the hoop and getting a few free throws out of it. At least one of the charging calls was bullshit. Overall, I think he ended up hurting us overall a little bit today. I don't know how we didn't get Anthony Wright more shots today, he was on fire early on. Oh well, next year...
Brian please banhammer the shit out of this retard.
For what? Freedom of speach? I went to Michigan. 4 years. Paid my dues, out of state. I think my voice counts more so than these kids who never went to school in AA....
Because you're a fucking racist idiot and Brian can ban anyone he wants. Freedom of speech applies to the government, doesn't mean he can't moderate or ban the shit out of you.
That makes no sense, we wouldn't be kicking you out because "freedom of speech". Quit embarrassing Michigan, come to grips that your Manny bashing is not wanted here and quit posting for a while.
you probably don't want to go down that road. last time someone did, it got ugly.
You paid your tuition, got your education and satisfied the requirements for your degree. That's it. Your voice means no more than anyone else. If anything, your voice means less considering your racist comments in the other thread that have since been edited.
And for the love of God, if you're going to be such an arrogant, self-entitled ass with an obvious superiority complex, at least spell "speech" right.
what does that mean?
nozzle
that snuffle got into Michigan. I guess there are always exceptions to the rule.
Yes, very sad. Also sad what GPA I graduated with and what job I have now. Yes, very sad... Turn against your own? That is sad.
Ban this guy. Seconded.
Do you know Andy Moeller or anyone of similar stature?
ZING!!!
(zing was in response to emmekel)
Snuff...just because you went to Mich and had a "totally sweet GPA" and now have a "rockin job" doesn't mean you can't be a complete d-bag. Typically anyone that brings up their GPA after college and brags about their job is a d-bag. Just sayin...
Nice job editing your response after you saw what I had written. Good play.
Seriously though, my point is that I am not a cancer to UofM, like one of those kids in the band who goes to work for your local 7/11 after they graduate with their trombone degree.
I edited my post because yours wound up posting before mine and my "zing" came after yours. I found your comments to be so stupid, I felt it was necessary to point out that I wasn't giving you any credit for anything resembling a good point.
Nice job insulting band members too BTW. What happened to the whole "trashing your own" thing?
huh?
What the hell does that even mean? I bet 99% of the kids in the band have one thousand times the heart for their Alma Mater than the majority of the student body. Get a life dude.
The answer to that question if fuck yes we would be screwed without him how can you even say that in another note i am excited to see him playing with darrius morris out of Los Angelos who seems ot be in the manny mold. Next year is gonna be exciting And he scored 7 straight points for us today and got in foul troble because he got screwed and had 63 minutes without playing and was cold ot start the second half but then kept us in the game i don't even know how yo u can say he brought us down.
He shot 3-9 from the field. The team did not shoot that bad. Response to that?
Oh, and the offensive fouls. Legitimate or not, were turnovers. Those did not help.
Uh...there were plenty of other people turning the ball over. Maybe you weren't watching the same game I was. Also 3-9 isn't that bad. Do you really expect him to shoot 8-12 every game??
Plus, there were plenty of situations in that game when Manny was on the bench where our offense had no one to turn to. Late in the game, it was the same thing, but Manny was in the game, and tried to create some offense and picked up a couple of weak charging fouls.
In short, yes, he is essential to the team.
Have another cocktail.
3-9 isn't that bad? So if he shot .333 for the year would you still be his #1 fan? I doubt it.
Ironically 3-9 is what our football team did this year. 3-9 is our death.
The point is that he DIDN'T shoot for 3-9 for the year you moron. He was excellent...even the greatest players have bad days.
He said "3-9 isn't that bad". That is what I responded to. Who is the moron? 3-9 is bad. It is .333 shooting percentage.
You make this too easy.
Against the 76ers, Kobe shot 5-15. Are you going to argue he's not essential to the Lakers? I'd love to hear that.
Also, compare shooting percentages to winning percentages again. That's very relevant. So if someone bats for a .400 average next year, he's probably garbage, right, since a .400 winning percentage is bad?
without him, we would be a borderline NIT team, and you wouldn't even have the opportunity to be upset about not getting to the Sweet 16.
And since when does graduating from AA make your opinions count more than those of others?
Ok then answer this how many wins do we get without Manny answer 4 with a maximum of 8 he makes that much of a different and i answerd that you try plaing with an hour of sitting on the bench it is not easy at all comming in cold.
sure you take care of your "own" with the sounds of your racist comments in your other post.
It's not really that hard to get a great job that pays alot of money when you graduate from Michigan.
After sitting so long, Manny was unable to get into rhythm. It happens.
Don't read too much into Manny's performance/non-performance today. He's a great player.
Very level-headed response. Thank you. I agree - great player. I was just wondering if we would go back to the NIT without him after today's game. I think Coach B made a mistake by resting him the rest of the first half, but he didn't do much in the second half to win us over...
I sometimes feel the same way when a coach sits a kid early. Mostly, they never end up playing within the flow of the game and struggle when they get into the game. That's the reason you see strict rotations in the NBA - everybody plays better when their role is familiar. Sure, without Manny, M kept it close in the first half. But, once he got into the game, he couldn't score, couldn't adjust to the way the game was being played, and had a frustrating day where he still ended up fouling out.
He had two fouls and our bench was playing out of their minds against OU in the first half. I don't think a minute or 3 for Manny at the end of the first half would've helped us any in the second half. You just hope great players step up even when cold. Of course that isn't always the case, especially against a 2-seed with no big men good enough to take on Griffin. By the way, how many times does a player need to "win us over." He played his ass off all season and was great...he's won any rational UM fan over by now and then some.
Agreed. In my first post I said "I love me some Manny". He is a great player. My ONLY ISSUE was that, is he really essential to us doing what we did this year again in the next season? With the new players, and the loss of really no one significant, would it kill us to see him go to the NBA? And by kill, I mean, we'd be lucky to see the NIT in 2010. I don't think so.
However, I think with him, and a better team, we should be a better seed in the NCAAs in 2010. That is all I was trying to say....
Sober up, did we?