Brady Hoke's Time as a Macrifice
January 12th, 2011 at 9:58 PM ^
You had me at "MACrifice"
January 12th, 2011 at 10:05 PM ^
Thanks for pulling this information together. Other than the MAC version of The Horror it shakes out as I'd expect. I'm pro-Hoke so I definitely put a positive spin on it. It is nice to have some numbers to support the theory.
Also worth pointing out is that Hoke was coaching Ball State, a team more often found in the bottom half of the conference. If Hoke had these results at Central or Marshall I would be more disturbed. Ball State's only appearance in a MAC championship game came with Hoke at the helm.
January 13th, 2011 at 12:56 AM ^
Ball State won a MAC title under Hoke's predecessor, Bill Lynch (the year prior to the MAC splitting into divisions).
In Hoke's sixth year, he got Ball State to a MAC championship game, ranked #12 nationally at the time. His team lost 42-24 to an unranked Buffalo team coached by Turner Gill. Gill had a 20-30 record at Buffalo, and is now 3-9 as a coach is a BCS conference (Kansas).
January 12th, 2011 at 10:06 PM ^
can we get navy schedueld for every game?
January 12th, 2011 at 10:10 PM ^
If you watch the TCU vs SDSU game from this year, you can see SDSU getting blown out to at one point 35-14 I think. At first glance without looking I thought TCU was giving up garbage points. While I understand that may be true, TCU might have let up their guard too much. SDSU made it 40-35 with a little bit more than four minutes left in the game. Regardless of actually how close it was, they didn't give up. Our team last year once giving up a big play or getting in a hefty hole to dig out of, seemed to become deflated. In all the highlights I saw (goaztecs on You Tube), they had a niver give up attitude to them throughout the game and never thought they were out of it.
So maybe since the friction has cooled and there will be less distractions, a positive "in every game" feel? *
*Especially if Denard stays.
January 12th, 2011 at 10:22 PM ^
It's all the million dollar question. Did the comeback come because... 1. The winning team is easing off / going to sleep. 2. The other coach suddenly had the light bulb come on and went "Hey if I do X, Y, and Z I'll shut those guys down" and thus the comeback is due to his skill at in game adjustments. 3. Braylon said "F that, I'm losing to State!" and started catching everything (including a 747 flying over the stadium). I'd say your right and the biggest metric for next year is to be clearly dead in the water by half time against ranked teams. Hoke's most tangible positive appears to be player development and motivation so I want to see those come into play early on.
January 13th, 2011 at 1:27 PM ^
I think it was a combination of all three of your theories. He seems to be a great motivator in my E-pinion. He had mostly everyone pumped up after his first press conference. I also think in order to score when you weren't before, adjustments must be made. This is true unless they were playing sloppy and just cleaned it up. The TCU game kind of reminded me of when Michigan was down to Minnesota 35-7(?) in the 4th quarter to come back and win 38-35. When did garbage points start becoming real points?
After watching some of the film on SDSU vs any opponent, I was excited to see that not once did they give up. It seemed too many times, maybe because of youth or whatever, we gave up. MSU, osu, Wisky, and Miss St. to name the ones off the top of my head. The only one I can think of where we fought back was maybe PSU after going into the half down 28-10, but thanks to a anemic defense, we couldn't do it.
January 13th, 2011 at 4:04 AM ^
...no matter how you got there. However, I don't know if I feel better or worse knowing that they were down by 21 at one point.
To be fair to Coach Rod, we did come back from 19 down to beat a ranked team during his tenure.
January 12th, 2011 at 10:41 PM ^
incestuous macrifice lolz.
January 12th, 2011 at 10:57 PM ^
After hearing Hoke's press conference today I have no idea why people continue to degrade him. He is exactly what we need. A man who understand the passion and tradition. Give him a chance before you tear him to shreds...he will be just fine and personally I think he has the character and the fight we need to get this program back into shape.
January 12th, 2011 at 11:21 PM ^
Not to be positive or negative on the hire... but you base your predictions on future coaching competency on a single press conference? Really?
Too many Brandonian newbs for me to feel much confidence in any new posters right now.
January 12th, 2011 at 11:07 PM ^
all day. The bottom line is none of those numbers really mean a whole lot. His record, point margins etc... There are too many variables that impinge on every contest you listed.
Example: if you look at our defense 10 years from now and see the stats; you would not get an accurate picture. Injuries and freshmen played a major role in the bad stats. Full strength, with some experience would have made a huge difference. Now I understand vicarious liability, but that can't be fully blamed on the coach. Especially since Hoke's short tenure at each program you named. My point is when we go back and look at records; you must take into consideration the variables.
Nice research though...but take it for what it's worth. I'll go with the former players and staff that believe in him. I like the fact that both Harbaughs are outright supporting the guy and his own press conference. He has a National Title with our program. The player's respect the man and that will go a long way with the talent we bring in.
January 13th, 2011 at 1:29 PM ^
While there are certainly a lot of variables, that doesn't mean you throw the record out the window. After all, the noise should average out after a period of time (unless someone is just really unlucky). We can slice it lots of different ways, but the fact is that the guy has an overall LOSING record as a head coach. While people can get pumped up all they want by a press-conference, football games are won on the field. I, for one am afraid that we just hired our very own Bill Stewart-someone the players love and who talks a good game, but who just can't cut it as a head coach at this level.
January 13th, 2011 at 3:07 AM ^
January 13th, 2011 at 9:41 AM ^
Note: Ball State had 7 players suspended during Iowa and Auburn for NCAA infractions.
Anyone know the story here? Was this under Hoke's watch and did he have any role in it? I would hope not but it would be nice to know for sure.
January 24th, 2011 at 12:29 AM ^
I wonder if you'd like to add his SDSU record against BCS conferences even though I'm too lazy to do it with the same resources.....
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