I think I get it now

Submitted by Blue_Bull_Run on
Hoke's presser has me fired up, even hours later. I don't want to slam the door behind RichRod, but so far Hoke understands Michigan much better. I wasn't sure that Hoke was qualified for this job, and didn't think he'd be a candidate if it weren't for the fact that he happened to be an assistant here previously. But after seeing that presser, I think I get it. The guy loves Michigan, understands Michigan, and is all about Michigan. It's obviously still very early, but I can see him doing very well here.

AAB

January 12th, 2011 at 11:03 PM ^

of people bringing up Bo every 5 seconds.  Bo was a great coach, but he retired 20 years ago.  Given the changes in scholarship rules, the rise of recruiting sites, and the increase in the number of good football programs, hee might as well have been coaching a completely different sport. 

Michigan is going to have a very hard time moving forward as a program if it doesn't stop insisting on looking back.

tf

January 12th, 2011 at 11:34 PM ^

But he wasn't coaching a completely different sport.  He was coaching Michigan football, and he took a once proud team that had grown accustomed to being punked by Woody Hayes and immediately made them a Big 10 power and competitive with their arch-rival again.  Honestly, as a fellow Michigan fan, I'm not sure how or why you can be tired of people talking about the guy who revived the program.  

Regardless, given the current circumstances, I think you can expect to hear people talking about Bo a lot more as they hope Hoke is the second coming.  I don't see how fans remembering and discussing Bo has anything to do with what happens on the football field.  If your point is that Michigan has to get away from "3 yards and a cloud of dust" to compete these days, I think that's irrelevant.  Many people were crafting comparisons between Bo and Rodriguez when RR took over.  

AAB

January 12th, 2011 at 11:38 PM ^

my point is that people need to stop acting like there's something unique and holy about Michigan football -- when in reality it's just the same as any other big, historically successful football program except more tied down by its past -- and stop acting like "what would Bo think about X" is a legitimate question. 

 

slblue

January 12th, 2011 at 10:57 PM ^

It is easy to say "he's our coach so let's support him."  But I genuinely thought Coach Hoke was terrific during the press conference.  You can see passion, sincerity and love for all things Michigan.  He killed it.  I don't think it is fair to bash Brandon by contrast.  Brandon is sleep deprived and justifiably sick of the media nonesense.  I think Brandon was fired up by Coach and thought this is the time to send the message that this is Michigan.  We run things, not the Detroit press.

AAK15

January 12th, 2011 at 10:58 PM ^

You couldn't resist smiling and laughing at Hoke's childlike glee with being here. The man is a true coach. He talks like one, acts like one, and he knows his stuff. When asked about rivalries he was almost embarassed, like they insulted him. Of course he cares about them. That't football. He is a true football coach, and it came out in the press conference. There should be no Rich Rod supporters left after watching Hoke truly care about Michigan.

Humen

January 12th, 2011 at 11:05 PM ^

Is out of line. Logical RR supporters, such as myself, will now support Hoke, and support him well. However, do the man no such injustice. He gave his heart to this university. RR does not deserve to be ridiculed.

Tully Mars

January 12th, 2011 at 11:27 PM ^

I second this.  I am extremely hyped up for Hoke after his presser, and am moving on from being an RR supporter.  However, when RR takes the field at another school, I'll be pulling for him to win (unless it conflicts with Michigan rooting interests).  The man gave his all for Michigan, it just didn't work out.

Cope

January 12th, 2011 at 11:16 PM ^

But I'll compare best I can. Every week, notorious Ohio school practices for a small set time specifically for Michigan (source-friend who's a diehard-cough-buck). Every week. It's constantly in their heads. Tressel's stated he never sleeps the night before the Michigan game. I like that. That's a bit of "understanding Michigan." But if it was just sarcasm, sorry for the response. ;)

dahblue

January 12th, 2011 at 11:16 PM ^

I don't know if this helps with that meaning, but I'd say that if you can come into your first presser, with a large chunk of the fanbase underwhelmed with your hire...and then, fire up that fanbase, turning disappointment into excitement...well, then you "understand Michigan".

AAB

January 12th, 2011 at 11:25 PM ^

or maybe it explains too much.  I mean, Brady Hoke didn't say anything today that should fundamentally alter people's perceptions of how Brady Hoke goes about coaching football (.

All he did was offer pablum about how much he loves Michigan and how much he hates Ohio State.  Which is nice, I guess, but it's not really that big a factor in actually winning football games, and it's certainly less of a factor than actually being a good strategic football coach and recruiter.  Nick Saban doesn't have any special affinity for Alabama, and Urban Meyer didn't have any special affinity for Florida, but they were incredibly successful, because they're great football coaches.  Bobby Caldwell couldn't stop talking about how much he loved Vandy and how honored he was to be their coach, and Vandy still got utterly waxed in the SEC. 

I get that Brady Hoke made people feel like Michigan is a special place today.  I just don't get why I should consider that important. 

ShockFX

January 12th, 2011 at 11:28 PM ^

I get that Brady Hoke made people feel like Michigan is a special place today.  I just don't get why I should consider that important. 

Yep, that's exactly it.  He made people feel special and re-enforced their worldview.    It's not important at all, unless you're the kind of moron that uses the word intangibles a lot.

Cope

January 13th, 2011 at 12:11 AM ^

When he spoke, he got people behind him. If he can do tomorrow's and the next day's jobs too, like preparing a team and winning, I think that will be acceptable. It kinda sounds like you're upset about RR, and I understand. But speaking just for Hoke, passion inspires people. He has to coach and teach too, but let's not undervalue the effect of drive as an "intangible." It fuels the success and productivity of all his other abilities, and in a leader, it increases the output and faith of everyone around him. That's worth a lot. It's called heart.

ShockFX

January 13th, 2011 at 1:02 AM ^

I'm just upset that because Hoke was nationally acclaimed as a Michigan Man and that's why we chose him, then the media just writes softball puff pieces about him, Michigan looks like it's stuck in the past to observers.  Our national image is one of wanting to go back to the 1970s.  Not very flattering.

I agree with your points though.  I just hate how Michigan, it's fans, Athletic Department, and media treated someone that was hired to do a job then had support cut out from him.  The guy coached the right way, and made mistakes.  In firing him after 3 years, if Hoke (please, God, don't let this happen) goes 6-6, 5-7, 4-8, 7-5 then what do we do?

dahblue

January 12th, 2011 at 11:42 PM ^

You think that Hoke's "loving Michigan" is not a big factor in recruiting, but I strongly disagree. It's a lot easier to sell something you love (or work for a company you love) than it is to sell something you don't have that same attachment to.  RR might have (and likely) loved his program, but Hoke loves his program and all of the Michigan programs that came before.  I'm not trying to knock RR in saying that, but that's a natural advantage Hoke will have in recruiting.

AAB

January 12th, 2011 at 11:48 PM ^

Saban, Meyer, Carroll when he was at USC, Lane Kiffin (for some bizarre reason), Tressel probably, Miles maybe (I'm excluding Mack Brown because recruiting at UT isn't exactly hard). 

How many of those guys would you say have the kind of deep connection to their school that you're describing, and how many would you say are just hired guns?

dahblue

January 12th, 2011 at 11:56 PM ^

Maybe it's more apt to compare Michigan coaches (where one can sell the love for "his" program while the other can sell love for "the" program), but I'll play your game...

The USC guys (although Carroll is a native CA guy) seemed to have been hired guns with hired players.  Saban and Meyer were able to sell "National Championship".  Tressel is an Ohio guy who loves OSU - which makes him similar to Hoke in that regard.  How about Bowden at FSU - think it helped that he loved the school?  Paterno at PSU?  Guys can recruit for lots of different reasons, but if you think that loving the product doesn't help...well...you've never tried to sell anything.

dahblue

January 13th, 2011 at 10:34 AM ^

Yes.  I'm so stupid.  In fact, I'm so stupid that I forgot to type what you claim I said!  Boy, what is wrong with me?

It's not a knock against your boy to suggest that he didn't have the same love for the program...he had nothing to do with it until he got here.  That's natural.  All I was saying is that it's easier to sell something that you really love.  It's easier to sell an idea that you think is fantastic.  It's easier to sell a car that you think is the greatest.  RR might have thought "his" car was the greatest, but there's just no practical way that he had the same love for the entire auto company.  Try to think about that for a second instead of just reflexively dismissing it.  It's not an attack.

vbnautilus

January 13th, 2011 at 12:44 AM ^

I get that Brady Hoke made people feel like Michigan is a special place today.  I just don't get why I should consider that important. 

It's a fair question, but I think we should consider it important.  Let me take a shot at explaining why. 

I think it gets at the roots of why we follow sports to begin with -- its ultimately all about feeling part of something special.  Winning is definitely an important aspect of that.  For example: research on college fans has found that on days following wins, people tend to wear the logos and shirts and things more often compared with days following losses (Cialdini et al., 1976: Basking in reflected glory: Three (football) field studies. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 34, 366-375).  But winning isn't the only way to feel good about being part of this thing.  

   Part of what makes us feel good is that we have a culture that we feel good about associating with.   We have a shared hatred of an evil outgroup (that place in Ohio) which gives us even more cohesion as a group, we have a shared attitude about certain things, certain things and people and references we know about together as a group.  These things reenforce our group identity just as much as our win/loss record do, and the separation from part of this culture (no disrespect intended towards RR, I am a big fan and supporter) did seem to do something to our group identity.  

  Surely if we don't also win football games our Michigan identity will continue to suffer, but I think that feeling that Michigan is special is not some peripheral icing on the cake, its the whole point.  

BostonWolverine

January 12th, 2011 at 11:43 PM ^

Here's what understanding Michigan means:

Q: People say that, after the last 3 years, Michigan is not an elite job anymore, and -

A: Who says that?

Q: Well - [naming a couple of names]

A (paraphrased): That may be their opinion, but this is an elite job. This is Michigan, for God's sake.

To me, that sounded like the answer Bo would've given.

BostonWolverine

January 13th, 2011 at 3:58 AM ^

I was a part of the class of 2005. At the graduation ceremony, Bo received an honorary PhD for his years of service to U of M. As it was conferred to him, he said a few words, the most salient of which was the following quote: "You have the capacity to lead. So lead."

I'm not using it to validate how I feel. I'm using it because I know how I felt when I heard those words coming from him. And Hoke's response yesterday gave me a similar feeling.

michgoblue

January 12th, 2011 at 11:03 PM ^

Awesome post.  I was pro-Hoke from the beginning of the whole CC.  Not saying that as an I told you so to anyone - I remember Hoke from my says at Michigan in the 1990s, and when his name came up, I did my research. 

Wait.  As you get to know him, you will be more pumped up that we got him.  This guy is no back-up prize.  He is the real deal, bleads our colors and loves Michigan. 

Go Blue!  Welcome back, Coach Hoke.

MGrether

January 12th, 2011 at 11:06 PM ^

Yes, RR got a raw deal. Yes, people didn't flock to support him. However, in having a ready comparison of how Hoke "gets it" and gets people re-excited about Michigan that RR didn't: OSU. Compare

RR - "Well, it is a big game, because it is a big rivalry. Rivalries are important, but it is one of 12 games you need to win."

Hoke - Yes the other rivalries have their place, but when playing that school in Ohio...*with tears welling up in his eyes* "It's personal."

Game. Set. Match. No comparison. None. Hoke doesn't need to read a book or two to figure out his place in the Michigan scheme of things. It is dripping in Hoke's sweat and pumping through his veins. 

As long as we hire great assistants for Hoke, he will win at Michigan.

AAB

January 12th, 2011 at 11:14 PM ^

it IS just another game.  I mean, it means more because it's a rivalry, but it's no different than Bama-Auburn, Texas-Oklahoma, or even WVU-Pitt.  The only reason it feels different to us is because we're Michigan fans, not Bama fans.  And a myopic focus on one rivalry over everything else in the world hasn't really helped MSU all that much over the years. 

dahblue

January 12th, 2011 at 11:20 PM ^

The game you cited are not "just another game" either.  Those are big rivalry games for those schools and I imagine that if the coaches of those schools said "just another game" or "at least we're fun to watch" that the alumni would not be too pleased.

AAB

January 12th, 2011 at 11:23 PM ^

"I don't care about beating Ohio State," it was "I don't care about beating Ohio State nearly as much as I care about winning every single game on my schedule."  In my view, that's the only sensible attitude to have.

parkjam

January 12th, 2011 at 11:39 PM ^

The difference is though, you can win every game except OSU and it was a "disappointing season". On the flip side, you can lose to Iowa and Penn State, but beat OSU and the fans will say "not a bad year"

 

The OSU game matters at least twice as much as any other game on the schedule, and that is the one that can't be lost if you want the fanbase to be happy with the results for the year.

parkjam

January 13th, 2011 at 12:03 AM ^

It's foolish beyond comprehension. No argument at all in that regard. That is the way things work at Michigan, though, and understanding that is part of the whole "understanding Michigan" concept.

Cope

January 12th, 2011 at 11:22 PM ^

But they call it the greatest rivalry in college sports. That's what non Michigan fans call it too. Those rivalries are big, but they're not what The Game has become. (if I'm wrong, at least let me keep my bias on this site!)

AlwaysBlue

January 12th, 2011 at 11:32 PM ^

He was wrong on so many levels.  It's a season defining game, it's a career defining series, it's typically a step to the Big Ten championship, it's the in-season motivator to continue to improve, it's about regiional recruiting and on and on.  And unlike State our obsession with our chief rival is wrapped around another objective, winning the Big Ten Championship.