david from wyoming

October 21st, 2010 at 11:39 AM ^

Would you like to suggest a better option at 3B? The free agent pool at the position isn't great this year and our farm team players aren't ready yet.

That position is pivotal to produce offensively.

I have no idea what that means. Every position is pivotal if you have a good player there. The Giants had a good year with Pablo Sandoval at 3B for them.

His Dudeness

October 21st, 2010 at 12:03 PM ^

You can tell by the neg points that people love Inge with no regard to how horrible he is. He is terrible.

The corner infield position has to be more of a power position. Sorry to confuse you so early on a Thursday.

 

Corner infielders (on successful teams) are power positions, as are corner outfielders. They can be less rangey and more built for power. It is  trade off.

As to who I would take over Inge at 3rd base? Almost anybody. Hell, throw Matt Stairs out there for all I fucking care. Give me anybody who has a realistic chance of, you know, hitting a fucking baseball with a fucking bat. Thanks for the neg.

His Dudeness

October 21st, 2010 at 12:52 PM ^

I think Matt Stairs dreams of kittens having a tea party at night, like I do. It's why I like him and think he is an awesome player who should be dragged out there even though he is fucking terrible day in and day out, you know, because he is like me and I feel bad for him or some other completely non relevent reason to keep a player who sucks mounds of flesh flute.

/see what I did there?

//Inge sucks.

///bad

MaizeAndBlueWahoo

October 21st, 2010 at 12:03 PM ^

You say the emotional part of it like it's a bad thing.  First off it's an economic decision.  If 5% of the attendance this season at Tigers games is because there are people who went to see a certain player, then that's worth taking into account.  Not every Tiger fan is hardcore, win-at-all-costs.  Lot of people go to see the actual players.  Lots of Yankee fans want to see Derek Jeter, not the Yankees' shortstop.

Second, those people have a point.  Do you want the Tigers to win?  Or do you want to see a winning club comprised of nine random players that happen to wear the Tigers' logo?

His Dudeness

October 21st, 2010 at 12:47 PM ^

I disagree with all of you about Inge. This is a professional sports team, not some fucking charity. I am all for rooting for a student athlete even though he may not produce because I like him or he had sex with my daughter and didn't tell the whole school (what a gentleman), but in the pros? Win or go home, brother.

Inge fucking sucks and to answer your question I pay to see the Tigers win games and if you are wearing a Tigers hat you are indeed a Tiger. Hell I would love to see my old man out there, but they don't sign him to a fucking contract although he could probably swing the bat better than creaky knees Inge. Also, nice facial hair Inge. What are you fucking 16?

WMUgoblue

October 21st, 2010 at 1:01 PM ^

Now I agree with you that Inge is pretty much garbage at a position that needs to produce runs. He was an elite defender which is why they've held onto him for so long, but he is a career .237 hitter, who is almost always 2nd on the team in strikeouts next to then grandy, now a-jax.

I honestly feel with Peralta you would see a decline defensively but he performed well in a Tiger's Uni, and has enough pop in his bat to be an upgrade at 3B. Inge is a fan favorite but so was Grandy and they let him go. Inge just reminds me of Bobby Higginson his last few years in Detroit. That's not good.

His Dudeness

October 21st, 2010 at 1:05 PM ^

That's all I'm saying (amongst my myriad insults). The guy just isn't good enough offensively ata position where that has to be there. If he was a world class defensive 2B who had a .237 I wouldn't say shit (WHY DID WE GET RID OF POLANCO? GOD WHY?!?!), but he is unfortunately a 3B and you have to get well above average power there to succeed.

lilpenny1316

October 23rd, 2010 at 9:07 PM ^

I'll take that risk on a career .300 hitter, who can also hit at the top of the lineup, with his average defense.  We didn't lose games this year because our defense blew.  We lost games because our bottom of the order sucked.  So we bring back one of those bottom three.  Inge's defense is still great, but I would prefer someone who's going to have productive at-bats. 

And Inge is no spring chicken either.  He's well into his 30s and players typically do not start hitting for average this late in their career.

hockeyguy9125

October 21st, 2010 at 11:43 AM ^

And they have not released the financial terms for the 2 year deal. If the terms are resonable...3 million per or in that ball park...then I can deal with the signing. Anything over 4 million per is too much. He is a good defender, but still cannot hit. If the money is reasonable, I can live with it.

lunchboxthegoat

October 21st, 2010 at 11:47 AM ^

if its worth more than 4m a season they got hosed. But that's what the Tigers do.... I'm sure the bottom three of the Tigers' order will be a veritble black hole again...

Oh well, here's to another third place finish that is only close until the all star break whent hey inevitably fall apart and make you wonder how they were in it in the first place.

david from wyoming

October 21st, 2010 at 11:50 AM ^

You must be a really happy person to hang out with. The bottom three in any lineup save the Yankees is a boat load of stink. The Tigers starting falling behind in the standings this year because of injuries up and down the lineup and no team that is starting 4 or 5 rookies a night is going to be a world beater. But I'm glad you're super depressed about next year already.

lunchboxthegoat

October 21st, 2010 at 12:03 PM ^

I'm not super depressed about anything. I just know that the Tigers make befuddling personnel decisions routinely. AND they've had two quality seasons in in my LIFETIME. AND they've only finished above 3rd six times in my life. AND players like Brandon Inge are case in point why they continue to be lousy. I'm optomistic about things that deserve to be. Teams like the Lions and Tigers that simply have not shown they can make the right decisions or perform will be treatedly with extreme skepticism until they prove it.  

 

[EDIT] how about last year? why did they fail to make the playoffs least year? and the year before? and the year before? why did they fade down the stretch the world series year? Were those all rookie-related collapses, too?

bronxblue

October 21st, 2010 at 1:08 PM ^

Not to start a fight, but how old are you?  Two quality seasons in your lifetime?  I'm under 30, and they were good for most of the 80's and recently made some nice runs recently.  Sure, they sucked for virutally all of the 90s and early 00s, but talk to a Pirates/Royals fan if you want to see extended sucking.

And I don't see how they have made any more horrible decisions than most other teams.  They have been drafting reasonably well, turned a couple of hyped-but-unproven prospects (Andrew Willer and Cameron Maybin) into Miguel Cabrera (and yes, Willis was a bad signing), and have remained relevant in recent years.  They are not the Yankees/Red Sox so injuries will slow them down considerably, but they are still an above-average team that can make a run every once and a while.  I'll take that.

NorthSideBlueFan

October 21st, 2010 at 3:57 PM ^

 

Detroit Tigers year-by-year results

 

SEASON TEAM LEAGUE   W     L   PCT  GB  ATTENDANCE
2009     Detroit Tigers American League 86 77 .528 1.0 2,567,193
2008     Detroit Tigers American League 74 88 .457 14.5 3,202,645
2007     Detroit Tigers American League 88 74 .543 8.0 3,047,139
2006     Detroit Tigers American League 95 67 .586 1.0 2,595,937
2005     Detroit Tigers American League 71 91 .438 28.0 2,024,505
2004     Detroit Tigers American League 72 90 .444 20.0 1,917,005
2003     Detroit Tigers American League 43 119 .265 47.0 1,368,245
2002     Detroit Tigers American League 55 106 .342 39.0 1,503,623
2001     Detroit Tigers American League 66 96 .407 25.0 1,921,305
2000     Detroit Tigers American League 79 83 .488 16.0 2,533,753
1999     Detroit Tigers American League 69 92 .429 27.5 2,026,491
1998     Detroit Tigers American League 65 97 .401 24.0 1,409,391
1997     Detroit Tigers American League 79 83 .488 19.0 1,365,157
1996     Detroit Tigers American League 53 109 .327 39.0 1,168,610
1995     Detroit Tigers American League 60 84 .417 26.0 1,180,979
1994     Detroit Tigers American League 53 62 .461 18.0 1,184,783
1993     Detroit Tigers American League 85 77 .525 10.0 1,971,421
1992     Detroit Tigers American League 75 87 .463 21.0 1,423,963
1991     Detroit Tigers American League 84 78 .519 7.0 1,641,661
1990     Detroit Tigers American League 79 83 .488 9.0 1,495,785
1989     Detroit Tigers American League 59 103 .364 30.0 1,543,656
1988     Detroit Tigers American League 88 74 .543 1.0 2,081,162
1987     Detroit Tigers American League 98 64 .605 - 2,061,830
1986     Detroit Tigers American League 87 75 .537 8.5 1,899,437
1985     Detroit Tigers American League 84 77 .522 15.0 2,286,609
1984     Detroit Tigers American League 104 58 .642 - 2,704,794
1983     Detroit Tigers American League 92 70 .568 6.0 1,829,636
1982     Detroit Tigers American League 83 79 .512 12.0 1,636,058
1981     Detroit Tigers American League 60 49 .550 2.0 1,149,144
1980     Detroit Tigers American League 84 78 .519 19.0 1,785,293

Seth9

October 22nd, 2010 at 12:02 AM ^

Your definition of decent is way too high. They were definitely decent in 88, 91, 07, and 09, when they competed for a playoff spot and had winning seasons. Perhaps they weren't ultimately successful seasons (defining success as a playoff berth), but they were decent in that the team was fairly good and they were in the hunt for most of the year.

Seth9

October 21st, 2010 at 1:55 PM ^

2006: The team massively overperformed in 2006. Some of our pitchers struggled down the stretch and our lineup was harmed when Polanco was injured against Boston (injured shoulder while making a great catch), leading to the use of Neifi Perez.

2007: The arms of our starting rotation exploded in August. Pitchers like Robertson and Bonderman did not have the best seasons of their careers as they did in 06. Cleveland overperformed and had a tremendous finish to the season, going 96-66.

2008: Sheffield and Renteria had absolutely horrendous seasons. Renteria in particular was far worse than anticipated. Verlander had his worst year to date by far. Our best pitcher was Armando Galarraga (no offense to him, but he's not an ace). That said, Dombrowski is squarely responsible for the failure of the rotation, because it was reliant on some grouping of Rogers (age issues), Bonderman (health issues), Robertson (health issues and not a good pitcher anyway), and Willis (who inexplicably got an extension).

2009: The lineup was horrendous for several reasons. First of all, Everett and Laird were pegged as everyday players and we went into the year hoping the core of the lineup could get it done. This was then compounded by Ordonez's struggles and Guillen's inability to shake his injury problem. As a result, our outfield often featured a number of mediocre to poor players including Thames, Thomas, and Josh Anderson, among others (I won't count Raburn since 2009 was a career year for him). We also had issues at the bottom of the rotation, but everyone else did too. We attempted to fix some of these issues during the season, but Jarrod Washburn and Aubrey Huff both were awful beyond anyone's expectations. Despite all these issues, the Tigers managed to somewhat inexplicably come very close to making the playoffs.

2010: We never had much of a shot with the deadweight on our roster. This was the year where the litany of bad contracts really really hurt us. We had known holes at second base (we hoped that Sizemore would do well, but when you're starting rookies at multiple positions, somebody's not going to pan out), catcher (Laird/Avila rotation), and shortstop (Everett/Santiago). We also saw Porcello take a step back this year. This team was expected to be mediocre and it was.

Conclusion: The Tigers have made a mix of good and bad decisions over the past several years. On the good side, we have a number of trades, including the Cabrera/Willis deal (Cabrera panned out, nobody else that we traded did) and the Granderson trade (reduced expenses and got better value than what we gave up). We also have drafted fairly well, especially when you look at Porcello and Perry's talent (whether they should have gotten more time in the minors is another story). On the bad side is a number of extensions, including those given to Sheffield, Willis, Bonderman, and Robertson, as well as the Renteria/Jurrjens trade. It is also a fair question as to whether we are giving our pitchers enough time in the minors before calling them up.

Ilitch and Dombrowski have shown a tendency to take gambles. Sometimes they work out, sometimes they don't. Part of the reason the Tigers became respectable in the first place was because they invested in risks like Rodriguez, Ordonez, and Rogers. That said, they've also made some very poor gambles, especially with regards to the Sheffield and Willis extensions. A lot of money comes off the books this offseason, so this is the year to turn the Tigers into a playoff team. It's an open question whether Dombrowski can pull it off.

Also, on a somewhat unrelated note, re-signing Inge was a great move because Brandon Inge is the best player in the history of baseball and anyone who says differently is a terrible person with no redeeming qualities whatsoever...
OK, not really. But I like Inge and he's a good defensive player whose bat is by no means good, but is acceptable for a bottom of the order hitter.

lilpenny1316

October 23rd, 2010 at 9:12 PM ^

I tihnk you hinted at it with the "exploding arms" comment, but Bonderman was arguably one of the top 5 pitchers in the AL going into the All-Star break.  When that clot developed he was developing into a great pitcher.  It's part of the reason he could come back next year and give it another go...at a reasonable price.

mbrummer

October 21st, 2010 at 11:55 AM ^

Sandoval is terrible.  There's 4 good offensive 3b in the game right now.  Sometimes MLB replacement level is more expensive and a better play than mystery straw man nonexistant free agent.

Wright, Arod ( not worth 33 million), Zimmerman, Longoria is the list.  Betre has a history of perfroming in a contract year and crapping in other years.

Edit:   Michael Young is pretty good too, but doesnt generate power.

schmakj

October 21st, 2010 at 12:05 PM ^

Inge seems to always brings about a debate between fans on his value.... So many people love the guy and so many people hate the guy, and as a spokesman and advertiser for the team he obviously sparks a lot of attention and debate.

One item I never hear in these debates is his added value to the franchise - There must be an added value from him in merchandising, advertising, and ticket sales which we cannot quantify...

It'll be interesting to see what the new contract is.

bronxblue

October 21st, 2010 at 1:02 PM ^

I'm happy he's back.  For all his warts, he plays solid defense and can provide some power in the bottom half of the lienup.  2 years sounds about right, and since it isn't my money (and I doubt he broke the bank), I'm fine with having a solid veteran on the team.

V-Link

October 21st, 2010 at 1:32 PM ^

Looking at 3 year avg, from '08-10, of all 3B w/ min 300 plate appearances (40 qualified), Inge ranks in the following categories:

Salary: 8th
Runs: 27th
Hits: 26th
HR: 16th
RBI: 14th
BB: 10th
SO: 3rd
BA: 37th
OBP: 31st
SLG: 31st
OPS: 31st

V-Link

October 21st, 2010 at 1:52 PM ^

EDIT: Sorry for the double post.

His batting stats align more with someone making in the low $3,000,000 range.  His versatility and fielding, plus maybe additional premium for what he means to merchandising, would put him a little higher than 3 mil.  We'll see once the finacials are made available.

Geoff

October 21st, 2010 at 3:10 PM ^

5.5 million each of the next two years with a club option for 6 million for a third year. Way overpaid for a player that under produces. On the plus side he will have a chance to make his Tigers strike out record untouchable.